When you have an active aim assist that track targets for you and keeps you at a 80-90% accuracy rating at 1200 RPM.. What do you expect? lol.

"BUT DUSTS AIM ASSIST ISN"T THAT STRONG" Sure... if headshots killed you in one shot consistently.. it would be weak. But that isn't how DUST works... its about prolonged fire on target to actually kill them... otherwise they have a chance to escape or defend themselves.

If DUST had even the style of Aim assist Destiny has... where if you look down sight it snaps you on target... but you then would have to track that target largely yourself? It would be massively different...

But that is the plague of console... The only thing that makes Legion exciting.. Player to player duels will actually represent player skill and ability again.

The SMG has been the sidearm of choice for so long that most people have them fully skilled. My little 'Toxin' is a bloodletter with 5 skills at Level 5.
At that point you can use almost any of the sidearms as a thoroughly sufficient main weapon. As it should be.
On my Amarr main alt, I use Scrambler Pistols on Gallente Scouts.
Proto Sidearms are cost effective, not too CPU/PG hungry, and just more fun/gratifying sometimes.

The thing is like a fuckin' HP leech;

I always try to run to put some distance down so my pistol will work better but the SMG never ceases to miss it's just constantly draining HP. That's seriously the best I can do is run and hide when it comes to the SMG. Unless I have stacked two complex shield extenders and mass driver I find these little vampires to be a real ***** to deal with.

Shotgunner is running towards me, I'm backpedaling, usually being a good sport and using my pistol if there's a large enough gap between me and them, but then they pull out their SMG and it's like "**** get your main out this guy doesn't care about sportsmanship!" but then I'm dead.

It just seems that you really can't do too much about an SMG. Really hard to beat in CQC almost always have to outrange it. It seems that the best way to counter something is with its own race. For instance a good counter to a SCR would be something Amarr with lotta armor HP or a good counter to rails is shield stacking like a caldari. So minmatar ideology should be the best counter to the SMG which means just fuckin' running.....

No real offensive measures I know of can be taken against it. You're never going to see an SMG and say "I should get closer so my gun will work better" it's usually just "maybe I should go grab a combat rifle....". Of course I could try flanking but usually these scenarios are scout v. scout. Or scout v. forge heavy.

A lot of people use the SMG, it's very easy to use. I have respect for the SMG, I feel like it's an OG weapon that strikes a certain tune. But at the end of the day, the thing has perks like centipedes got legs. I feel like I should step down a step and go the easy route by choosing this weapon, but at the core it wouldn't make me happy. I like to be a sportsman with my guns but how do people enjoy using weapons with such little learning curve, such ease of use and such small margin of error?

My two cents. Any non-running away advice would be appreciated. Please do not start flame war.

SMG? Yes its beast as most people have op5 on it.

Counter? Headshoot with ScP.

You say that like it's some flick of the wrist walk in the park....

Nothing, and I mean nothing, is better than the toxin SMG

Syndicate SMG.

Hotrod Red is OP.

Syndicate SMG.

Hotrod Red is OP.

i dunno, there's something nice about kills with 'blueprint'

'Bedlam' M512-A, also rusty red I think. M209 assault SMG is glorious. Has gotten me out of many a tight spot. I keep meaning to take Smgs to lvl 5 but I haven't got round to it. Would love those Cala's.

Sounds like this perfect gun is going to get nerfed in hotfix delta though. Sad face.

DEVs have admitted they feel the SMG works TOO well, especially with its low fitting requirements.

This is why the sidearm balance is next.

Syndicate is a blueprint ^_^

You had to order the old merc pack from Gamestop specifically to get it.

You mean my Ion Pistol might kill someone?

So as Goldfinger put it, "No Mr. Bond I expect you to die."

Toxin SMG has been my main alt forever. I tried others and nothing works like the assault SMG. I sometimes run it as my main weapon and yes it works very well. I just wish I could get the bolt pistol down for I have sunk a lot of SP into that weapon.

Syndicate is a blueprint ^_^

You had to order the old merc pack from Gamestop specifically to get it.

Cala's aren't quite worth it. The Boundless Breach however is a ******* monster. Gotta love that "DAKA DAKA DAKA DAKA!"