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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
3161
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Posted - 2014.08.05 03:39:00 -
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"Well, that's a good thing, dip****", I hear you all say as you read the title. "Why is this a problem," you ask.
Have you ever noticed the metric ****-tons of drop uplinks that are spammed all across the map in Domination games? There is nanohive spam around supply depots, but only around supply depots, whereas drop uplinks are spread across the map. This is because it is so easy to earn a huge amount of WPs off of uplinks. On the other hand, getting +10 WPs from a nanohive when somebody comes by and takes about 50% of the nanite capacity does nothing to encourage use of nanohives. There would be a hell of a lot more nanohives if you actually benefited from using them.
Does anybody have a problem with nanohive spam? I'd love if it happened, to be honest. It'd be great if I could not run out of ammo and run to the supply depot, just to find out the supply depot was destroyed for some easy WPs by a tanker. (The Dust world revolves around WPs, it would seem) If just one guy used some damn nanohives I would have been able to keep myself alive and repping all the wounded armor tankers out there, but sadly I die on a regular basis for this reason.
Why don't we give nanohives some love and increase WP gain from them? +15 per cycle would be a good place to start, but the low WP amount isn't the biggest problem, it's the length of a cycle. Like I said earlier, people can use my nanohives, take a majority of the nanites, and I will be, at the very most, 30 WPs richer. What's up with that? I fill a guy's ammo up all the way from empty to full, and I get less points than two cycles of triage. That guy would have died if he hadn't gotten ammo, even worse, in the time he spent before he died, he'd be statistically useless. Reduce the cycle time as well.
On a side note, it would be awesome if nanohives didn't out-perform my repair tool. This is the most backwards logic I've ever seen. Nanohives are primarily designed to resupply ammo, but they are both more effective and more rewarding if you use them to repair armor instead. Maybe reduce their repair power significantly along with the WP earned buff.
Tl;dr, Increase WP payout from nanohives, decrease time between the cycles of WPs rewarded. Nerf armor repair rate of nanohives.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Venerable Phage
Red Shirts Away Team
222
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Posted - 2014.08.05 03:47:00 -
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Ever seen nanohive farmers in the redline?
Ever see a game with 0/0 2500 to 6500 WP and a glowing ball on the map in the redzone?
My take on 514:
Five Empires, One Dead, Four Alive
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
3161
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Posted - 2014.08.05 03:49:00 -
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Venerable Phage wrote:Ever seen nanohive farmers in the redline?
Ever see a game with 0/0 2500 to 6500 WP and a glowing ball on the map in the redzone?
Not even once. Don't really think it's a big issue.
Even if it were, open a ticket and report the guys who do it.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Venerable Phage
Red Shirts Away Team
222
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Posted - 2014.08.05 03:53:00 -
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Did report it multiple times for the same farmers.
Outcome farmers still playing with no visible penalty but Oceania is no more.
Also why isn't the report feature in game so you can link it to the match that is playing/last battle?
It's quite cumbersome to report.
My take on 514:
Five Empires, One Dead, Four Alive
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Thurak1
Psygod9
880
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Posted - 2014.08.05 04:20:00 -
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Logi's and anyone that drops hives near cover on the BF love me. I am the heavy running around mowing people down using tons of ammo.
I chew up nanohives and spit out ammo like its going out of style.
If you play a game with me and drop a nanohive i guarentee i have given you some WP's. |
Jotun Izalaru
Goonfeet
214
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Posted - 2014.08.05 04:22:00 -
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You get a lot less WP's from uplink spam if everyone's doing it, your uplinks keep disappearing and are used less often. not the problem you think it is. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
2423
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Posted - 2014.08.05 04:31:00 -
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My Uplinks are premium and sought after! I scatter them across the map at key positions.
I always drop my Hives right behind the fireteam; never at Supply Depots...
I have a fitting called "Equipment Hunter". Everything you need to takedown nests of Hives/Links: Mass Driver, Flaylock, Flux Grenades, Remotes and a good Cloak to get there.
Dust Loyalist
Greedy Bastards
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Thurak1
Psygod9
880
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Posted - 2014.08.05 04:42:00 -
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Anarchide wrote:My Uplinks are premium and sought after! I scatter them across the map at key positions.
I always drop my Hives right behind the fireteam; never at Supply Depots...
I have a fitting called "Equipment Hunter". Everything you need to takedown nests of Hives/Links: Mass Driver, Flaylock, Flux Grenades, Remotes and a good Cloak to get there.
^^^^^^
This guy knows how to get WP's
Putting nano's near a supply depot is cheap and ineffective. You will only get maybe 1 hit of wp's when someone goes to a depot for ammo because the depot gives a tone of ammo per tick.
Want good wp's with nano's your going to have to stick your neck out a bit and follow the fight dropping nano's where there is a firefight especially a choking point where your team can use cover. Nothing pushes better than a heavy with some support and a full clip. |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
759
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Posted - 2014.08.05 11:55:00 -
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Uplinks are good when your team is **** and need to keep re-spawning - nanohives, reps and needles for the opposite |
Mejt0
Made in Poland...
E-R-A
258
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:02:00 -
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People (so am i) throw ammo for squad members and them self.
Otberwise fking bluberry will come in and use all nanites throwing nades at blue dots...
Eqiupments shouldnt even be used to farm wps.
Side note. Best WP factory, is a tanker.
-~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~-
Markiplier fan.
Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1867
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:41:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:
Side note. Best WP factory, is a tanker.
This^^
Except maybe skill stacked pythons if you have a really amazing pilot
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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danthrax martin
Butcher's Nails
107
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:59:00 -
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My first suit is usually 4 scout laid pro uplinks, then swarm commando on proto hives. I can get from 1500-3000 WP easy in doms.
Fatty Fat Fat gk.0 - HMG / Duvolle
Noob DS Ferryman
Suicidal A/V Moron
Noob Logi
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wiseguy12
Ancient Legion
61
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:21:00 -
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Im a proto Caldari and nanites are close to the only equipment I use. I dont spam nanohives because it hurts WP gain. You get more if you wait for them to run out. And thank goodness about ccp getting rid of the dirty needle WP.
Eye of the Reaper
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
174
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:49:00 -
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give cal logi a 4th equipment slot and you shall receive your nanohive spam |
NO U TURN
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.08.05 20:01:00 -
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I have 3 drop uplink suits (3 slots) and 3 nanohive suits (4 slots). I run all 6 EVERY match. Sometimes repeatedly (damn u flux).
I don't do it for the isk or SP, I pay to WIN!
As to spaming equipment around a depot, it can mean life or death for a merc changing his suit. I have been shot in the back so many times..... My proto nano suit also costs almost 200k 
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
990
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Posted - 2014.08.05 21:14:00 -
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+ Triage hives don't need a reduction in the amount they heal for the following reasons:
- Triage hives are not infinite unlike the rep tool.
- Triage hives are not mobile (& location dependent) unlike the rep tool.
- Triage hives are easily destroyed unlike the rep tool.
- Triage hives do not out-perform any reptool, saying otherwise is just a big fat LIE.*
* The only advantage is that triage hives can repair more people at the same time, this usually requires a well-placed hive near the action where it is easily destroyed to really be a benefit compared to a rep tool. Reducing the amount of repair of triage hives (why do you even bring this up when you want to see more hives?) will totally make nano hives useless.
+ Placing triage hives near a supply depot is a great idea to defend it (ammo hives are just stupid).
+ WP cycles for nano hives are weird, sometimes I get non-stop "+10 ammo supply"-WPs from a crappy hive on my callogi.
+ Ammo hives are depleted too fast to be really useful as a real support player. As a real support player you will be switching out at a supply depot a lot with a callogi making the bonus useless.
+ It's possible to obtain a lot of WPs from hives only (especially the (lower meta-level) triage hives) but it requires:
- The brains to place them on good locations (never heard people calling it spam, often they really thank me for my triage hives)
- A good opponent who will keep pushing your team.
- A good team that makes use of the hives and prevents the enemy from destroying them (TIP: see first point: long-range)
- ...
The real problem why nano hives are not used that much is because it's not really promoted with the current play style and ****** teamwork that this game requires. (running with a rep tool behind a heavy all the time is not even considered teamwork, just brainless following, maybe fun if your one of those squads that relies on OBs to win ambushes).
+ There are easier ways to farm WPs, especially when your team decides to run outside to get owned by a ADS and heavies while there is safe spot inside full of triage hives to keep them alive.
CONCLUSION: We need a better mechanic than these crappy ammo-hives & replace the triage hives with shield/armor repair bubbles instead of a silly increasement of WPs. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3148
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Posted - 2014.08.05 21:15:00 -
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I would also suggest that Uplinks are of more strategic importance.
This is how a minja feels
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Kierkegaard Soren
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
489
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Posted - 2014.08.05 22:08:00 -
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The wp payouts just don't make sense when you compare hives to uplinks. Whilst spawns are a very powerful tool in a teams arsenal, bullets are just as useful to everyone, especially those carrying specialist weaponry such as swarms and plasma cannons. The payouts should have better parity between the two, and indeed other equipment pieces also (the intel payout on scanners should be increased now that they're near impossible to spam and more difficult to use effectively).
Personally, I'd like to see hives re-modelled as single-shot deployable items that have high hp, deep reserves and decent replen ranges, with the intent of making them a very useful "mini depot" that teams can deploy strategically as an anchor for any beach head or defensive point. I don't want them to spammable trash dispensers thst are only good for thirty seconds of game time, because they just don't earn the points back for the deployer in their current iteration. Uplinks last longer, score more points per activation and are activated far more frequently than any oh her equipment bar perhaps the rep tool, and even that's situational. Make hives a more solid, permanent (but limited) deployable and try and encourage play style that rewards smart use of equipment.
Dedicated Commando.
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
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Louis Domi
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
609
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Posted - 2014.08.05 23:15:00 -
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I use to be a logi, but then I stopped receiving thank you mails 
Now I roam these streets as a scout... Sometimes a FG heavy  |
OP FOTM
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
287
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Posted - 2014.08.05 23:20:00 -
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I would be doing it if I was a Minmatar, trust me.
But I'm a Gallente and I've actually found, on my WP farming suit with repair tool, needle, uplinks... that a scanner will not only get me more WP than a nanohive but people will actually ignore my nanohive and not use it if they aren't in my squad and on comms...
So if you want a nanohive, either get yourself a logi in your squad and tell them before they spawn in, try to find some on the field or if you see a Caldari Logi follow him and melee him or something.
Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14
Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
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