The Amarr could do it as well.

Gallente got nerfed worst, But now that Caldari is on the chopping block everybody gives a damn about not nerfing this and that.

Either turn everything back to 1.8 numbers and let everything be(while buffing everything that is useless)

Or continue with balancing we have going on now.

Or just skill Amarr because they keep getting buffed when not needed(getting extra slots while not giving up anything in return)

Yep, my triple damp CalScout will be super OP.

Prob means the bonus plus the actual mod usage .

2 damps and a Proto cloak.

And you say I'M the idiot. Please stop, you're making a fool of yourself.

Yeah sure you can stack 800 armor on a gallente assault but you lose all agility...essentially making the scout not a scout anymore, which is fine. However, you can't rep that 800 armor back if you stack it like that. Even if you use two plates and two repairers you only get about 400 armor on the scout, which is less than shields and still reps half as fast as the Caldari

You have to sacrifice tank for recover on the gallente scout...something the Caldari doesn't need to do seeing as it has a whopping 50 shield recharge. Tell me the last time you saw someone using a shield recharger on their scout rather than an extender...there's just no reason to when your base is that high.

Besides, It's not just the HP values, Caldari scouts have a shield delay (after the penalty) of only 3/5 seconds for regular/depleted. The base value for the assault is 5/6 with the penalty bringing the depleted value to 8. Yet if the Assault wants these kinds of values the scout gets it needs to run an energizer and two shield regulators.

At that point you also need to run a complex cpu mod if you even want a chance at using a decent weapon or even an equipment.

Then let's add the fact that the scout can cloak easily, can equip a proto weapon without sacrificing any modules, can also carry a second equipment, can run faster than any assault, has a smaller hitbox, has more stamina, has a lower base profile, has a larger base scan radius, has a lower base scan precision...

Oh, and also gets dual bonuses to two e-war stats so that it doesn't actually have to use those modules and can run sprint mods, dampeners, or even armor plates in the lows instead.
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How is that NOT ******* OP?
Please tell me how having THAT many advantages isn't breaking the game.

The only solution is to make the Cal Scout very hard to tank so that they can't do everything at once.
And even then it won't break the suit entirely just by limiting it.

Yes but there are more weapons specializing in anti-armor than anti-shield. So the shields must be docked somehow because there are more weapons against armor than shield.

ITs a very detailed post Shays.

But i will respectfully Disagree.

Something with so many counters cannot be considered OP.
OP is something that gives you a natural advantage over your enemies, so much taht it can only be coutnered with TEAMWORK.( like tanks were for a while)

Cal Scouts are not even close to OP.
Sure they might seem OP when a Squad is using them as Radar...
but
they ARE really squishy. So much i kill them with Scrambler pistols.
They CAN be coutnered with Good dampening (specially because the Cal scout you are mentioning is the TANKED cal scout not the E-War one, that packs like 220 shields XD)
Im sorry you had to fight cal scouts so much,but in my case i have seen like 5 since they came out. I dont really think they are OP NOR FOTM.

Whats OP is Shared Passive Scans and should go.

I stand my point.Cal scouts are not op.


On other notes, scouts need NO NERF.
Med frames need buff.

For those that think I don't use the suit...

I have an alt character which I use to test all Caldari suits. It has almost 20 million sp and all relevant skills needed. Sure it doesn't have EVERYTHING maxed out, but the majority of base skills needed to properly use a suit competitively are there.

I first ran the advanced Caldari scout on that character to test the hit detection issue people were complaining about. I found that it was much easier to dodge shots in this suit compared to my Gallente scout. Sometimes I was even able to dodge long enough that my shields would actually start regenerating.

The kill counts I was getting running solo were not super great. I could maybe get 20 easily, but that didn't prove anything as I was still dying 4 or 5 times.

Then I skill into proto and am able to finally tank that last shield extender.

My first match? 43/2
Thinking this was a fluke I did it again
37/1
At that point I literally felt the cheapness

It was too easy to sit there behind cover for 5 seconds to let my shields come back to full. I had a complex damp on so that no one could see me, No one could kill me as I was running up to them even when iI'm obviously in their lline of sight with the cloak. In fact sometimes I'd recharge back to full shields as I'm charging at them because they just can't seem to deal damage to me.

I thought "well maybe it's just that I'm not running into any good scouts or laser weapon users"

Nope, cause even scramblers just couldn't deal enough damage to me. You'd think that 400-450 shield isn't that much, but when the scout can out-strafe your shots to where only half of them land, the scout's effective HP becomes more like 800-900 shield.

Even if someone did manage to get a large portion of my shields down, I'd just cloak and regen it all back before my cloak disappears.

But the craziest part about the whole thing was how I felt like there was no reason to use e-war mods. I really could see anything and everything. Yeah I used a damp, but I felt like precision mods were a waste of time.

Why? Because the only thing a precision mod lets me do is see gallente scouts...
So there was no reason NOT to tank my suit with shields unless I happened to run into a gallente scout that kept killing me because I couldn't passively scan him.

But here's the best part
There were a few scouts I ran into like this, but none of them could take out my 400+ shields before I killed them. I would usually survive the first shotgun blast (or dodge it entirely because lolhitdetection on calscout), and then have enough time to react to either run away and regen or shoot them in the face.
Very rarely would I die by this.

I can imagine it happening more in PC, but that means this game is not Dust 514 but SCOUT 514, where the only way to counter a competitve thing is by balancing it around the other competitive thing, which in this case is Gal vs Cal scout.

Look at the Light Weapon Rifles:

AR = Armor
CR = Armor
RR = Armor
LR = Shield
ScR = Shield
Sniper R = Armor

The above are used the most as light weapons (besides Sniper Rifle). The reason Caldari Scouts are OP to the rest and must be nerfed/docked the High-Slot because 493 shield? WTF? That's a little less equal to the Caldari Assault.

This is roughly correct against a Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle:

A Caldari Scout Ck.0 with A Boundless CR is squirming like a little girl from left and right and you're shooting at him and you hit him every time. He will go down quickly, yes. But If it was a 80 Shielded and 493 Armored Gallente Scout gk.0, There would be almost NO hesitation and the gk.0 would be almost INSTANTLY taken out against a CR.

Yes the CR is against Armor but still. It should be about equal elimination. So therefore the Caldari Scout must be NERF'd for beginning shield and/or a high slot must be docked.

Look it's just not fair. Shayz is right. The Caldari Scout is OP.

If CCP won't nerf the Caldari Scout, then they must boost the Gallente scout somehow (and maybe the Amarr/Minmatar).

P.S. My wording and understanding may be incorrect but the game was FINE with the Caldari Scout.

I don't usually run a Gallente scout against the Caldari scout. In fact I believe that the gallente scout is actually pretty even against the caldari scout when it comes to a SINGLE encounter.

But when the Caldari scout runs away for a few seconds and comes back they immediately have the advantage. I understand that shields should have that advantage, but a recovery speed that great should require the use of an energizer, sacrificing tank.

No, scouts shouldn't be slayers. Scouts should never be able to get 40-50 kills in a match easily just because they can track the enemy better and have a huge HP buffer to prevent them from dying in face to face confrontation.

If a scout doesn't play tactically, the scout should die. By playing a scout suit, you should be weak enough that if you are detected you will die instantly...but scouts already have the natural ability to hide from radar and see their enemy 24/7 without even using modules.

By increasing your e-war strength with modules, the scout will then be more survivable. I want to see e-war modules me more effective on a scout suit than tanking it with HP.

Yet in your example the gallente needs to use two plates that PENALIZE the scout's movement speed, and two complex armor repair modules...just to even compete with the regen of the caldari. This is why the Gallente scout is NOT OP, because you have to at least sacrifice some of your tank in order to get that recovery.

First of all, I'd love to take your Gallente scout on against my Proto Amarr Commando with Scrambler + Mass Driver :P
If you used the gallente scout I could hit you with a few shots of the scrambler and then finish you off with mass driver splash. If you used Caldari though, I'd die because my damage wouldn't apply properly and you'd be able to rep through the mass driver rounds.