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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:54:00 -
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.....To put Alternate Proto weapons down to the regular version's ISK price.
Paying 30k MORE for a generally WORSE version of the regular weapon just doesn't make any sense.
These alternate versions of Proto weapons are not superior and there by the ISK increase is not needed.
Regular AR > Breach/TAC/Brst
Regular RR > Assault RR
Regular SCR > ASCR
Regular CR >(barely) Assault CR
Etc...
77 for a CreoDon Breach AR compared to a 40k Duvolle?
Please.
same for RR? WTH?
Its time to even the prices. 40k+ is enough for a prototype weapon or just set them all at 50k.
discuss/comment/whatevs....
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:01:00 -
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ITs a simple fix that increases Proto diversity.
And i REALLY cant think of a reason why this shouldn't be done.
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:13:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:A dirt cheap Assault Forge Gun, eh?
The assault FG is the only exception to the rule.
Its the only 'Alt' Variant that is ''superior'' to the regular version. I say ''superior'' since its not a fact.ITs just perception.
For example , i never was able to hit squat s*** with the Assault FG yet i was a powerful Fgunner with the Breach/Regular variant.
And STILL, there is not reason why the Assault FG should cost more than the Regular one.
The heavy will be a 1000-1600 EHP, Visible to ALL on their radars and pretty damn squishy compared to a tanks' firepower.
100% counter-able.
Worst case scenario,leave the AFG with its current price, but there is no reason why all Infantry should pay because of 1 Sentinel Weapon.
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
5293
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:18:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I believe that it's to encourage use of the original Racial rifle.
Why?
Whats more important to a game, that their players use their original Racial Rifle or to have Diversity in their game?
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Iron Wolf Saber:Why? I have the option to use it plus the reason too.
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
5294
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I believe that it's to encourage use of the original Racial rifle. Why?I mean, it makes sense but:
Whats more important to a CCP:
GÖª that their players use their original Racial Rifle or
GÖª to have a game with weapon diversity?@ Iron Wolf Saber:Why? I have the option to use it plus the reason too.And there is no rule against it. With all due respect... because people skip over such blanket formats and lowers their opinion of you. This isn't like Minja's lime green brigade back in eve.
Ah thanks for worrying my friend but:
GÖª If they skip it its fine. Not always my posts are worth reading.
GÖª I dont care about people's opinion.
HAHA lime green brigade XD
You should have seen how i wrote in the MAG forums...
But ok, i'll try to tone it down a bit. Still in threads with MORE forum posts i will keep using it since its the best way for me to detect my own posts and look for replies.
You see.Im almost blind and without the bold i just see walls-o-text...
Now back to the thread...
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
5295
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:01:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Its time.....To put Alternate Proto weapons down to the regular version's ISK price.
Paying 30k MORE for a generally WORSE version of the regular weapon just doesn't make any sense.
These alternate versions of Proto weapons are not superior and there by the ISK increase is not needed.
Regular AR > Breach/TAC/Brst
Regular RR > Assault RR
Regular SCR > ASCR
Regular CR >(barely) Assault CR
Etc...
77 for a CreoDon Breach AR compared to a 40k Duvolle?
Please.
same for RR? WTH?
If anything, they should be CHEAPER!
Anyhow:
Its time to even the prices. 40k+ is enough for a prototype weapon or just set them all at 50k.
discuss/comment/whatevs.... I debate you saying the AScR us inferior to the ScR.................
1st off - THATS BLASPHEMY. The Regular Variant of SCR is as God intended it to be so its PERFECT.
2nd - ''I debate you saying the AScR us inferior to the ScR'' You can debate that. But can you debate the fact the SCR is NOT inferior to the ASCR and that the ASCR has no feature that deserves a 30k+ increase in price?
thought so.
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
5295
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:08:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Your inference of my blasphemy is mistaken. You forget to whom you speak.
Significantly Suppressive fire power and a decent 100+ rounds before over heat that melts anything I don't like out to 50m.
''Significantly Suppressive fire power and a decent 100+ rounds before over heat that melts anything I don't like out to 50m.''
You waste your money considering the SCR doesnt even NEED re-supply nor reloading between engagements like the ASCR does and Can do the same at 50+mts with less shots.
You have proven me you liek the weapon and look at its good points.
Still, you havnt proven why the ASCR deserves a 30k difference price.
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
5296
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Posted - 2014.07.17 02:10:00 -
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ladwar wrote:
assault forge is better then regular and breach barely has any uses. there is no reason to use the the regular forge over either type. you have always been a terribad and always be one and your claim of the assault being perception to be better is because it is a fact that it is better and proves of your terribad staus.
Even with my terribad status, i guarantee that if you are in a tower 200mts up in the sky is a lot easier to land shots with a Regular/Breach than an Assault.
Oh i forgot, the Fg's have SPLASH damage...
nono im talking about CONNECTING hits here ...
:3
STILL. no one has given me a good reason any of these weapons need to cost 30k+ ISK.
Which proves my point.
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
5301
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:15:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:Not really. You get CreoDrone Breach Assault Rifles as Salvage, so that mitigates the cost, just as you get Carthums. The extra price tag comes with the change to the gun. A variant of something will always be more intensive. Basic Frame suits- Speciality Suits. The difference is the SP needed to max it out. Same for your gun. If you don't like the Duvolle, then you pay for the different variants.
Also, the Breach AR is better for CQC, less at Long Range in a Confrontation.
The Tac AR is amazing on a logi as a Long Range Rifle with High Alpha damage
Both guns due considerable DPS over the Duvolle. Yes, the fire rate is the different and mitigates that, but all in all, the guns are branches off the Proto Tier, and that costs money. You wanna be a niche player using the ASCR, well it'll cost you. Non-conformity costs
P.S. Assault Rail Rifle is amazing. Assault Forge gun is good for tank hunting when you get in front or behind one, hell even from a low perch.
The fact that you recognize the pro's of these weapons is admirable.
Still nothing you said will make me pay 30k ISK more for any of them, and i would still wreck them ALL with a Duvolle at its effective range....
gg thou. xD
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
5303
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Your inference of my blasphemy is mistaken. You forget to whom you speak.
Significantly Suppressive fire power and a decent 100+ rounds before over heat that melts anything I don't like out to 50m.
''Significantly Suppressive fire power and a decent 100+ rounds before over heat that melts anything I don't like out to 50m.''You waste your money considering the SCR doesnt even NEED re-supply nor reloading between engagements like the ASCR does and Can do the same at 50+mts with less shots. You have proven me you liek the weapon and look at its good points. Still, you havnt proven why the ASCR deserves a 30k difference price. Cause if it didn't my Ak.0 Commando wouldn't cap past 250K ISK per suit
thats actually good.
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
5329
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Posted - 2014.07.18 02:57:00 -
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VikingKong iBUN wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:A dirt cheap Assault Forge Gun, eh? The assault FG is the only exception to the rule.
Its the only 'Alt' Variant that is ''superior'' to the regular version. I say ''superior'' since its not a fact.ITs just perception.
For example , i never was able to hit squat s*** with the Assault FG yet i was a powerful Fgunner with the Breach/Regular variant.
And STILL, there is not reason why the Assault FG should cost more than the Regular one.
The heavy will be a 1000-1600 EHP, Visible to ALL on their radars and pretty damn squishy compared to a tanks' firepower.
100% counter-able.
Worst case scenario,leave the AFG with its current price, but there is no reason why all Infantry should pay because of 1 Sentinel Weapon. Once you learn to use it the assault forge is most certainly far superior to the standard. An accurate assault forge user can deal as much damage as a standard in about half the time, I totally agree that this weapon should cost more isk because it is simply better. However there shouldn't be variations of weapons that are just better, that's called lack of game balance. Also since about 5% of players (the ones involved in PC) have unlimited isk and the other 95% are totally broke, using isk cost as a factor when trying to balance weapons is very unfair on the majority of the playerbase (but its all good for the guys who abused PC mechanics for unlimited isk).
Well I know what you mean. But im talkign of the weapon as a raw weapon not considering the Skill of the player with the weapon at hand.
I'll put it this way.
It would make more sense to pay 77k for the Viziam Imperia SCR and 45k for the Carthum ASCR than the other way around.
And except the AFG ; it applies for most other weapons.
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
5333
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Posted - 2014.07.18 04:05:00 -
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hold that wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Please do not use bold text for entire posts. No. I like his style.
Thank you friend.
Here have a free treat.
+1
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
5347
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Posted - 2014.07.19 02:01:00 -
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The Eristic wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:All variants should lower prices, not just proto Yep, and we still need standard level variants of everything at Op II. I freaking hate having to spend 20k+ to put a dodgy Burst AR on a basic suit intended for screwing around. It would make the game more diverse for lower SP/isk players, too, which is a good thing.
That is also part of the idea of course.
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