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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.16 20:31:00 -
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Ever since we got the rest of the heavy suits and scout suits, scouts have been the top class to use. They oust assault the assaults with smaller hit box, faster movement even with armor mods, and the ability to cloak and then shoot people before they even notice they re almost dead.
Scouts can out logi a logi because they more then 1 equpiment slot so they can carry a nanite injector or nanohive or repair tool and get the same war points tat a logi can get especially with the abbility to change your suit in the middle of the game at a supply depo, just spam uplinks then switch at first supply depo then spam nano haive and switch a third time and use a needle and rep tool for the rest of the match.
As for right now the scout class can do just about everything better then the classes that are supposed to be the one that do that stuff, the only other class they can't do the same stuff better is being a heavy, since a scout can't carry a hmg or forge gun.
But when it come to AV a scout can out class a heavy in that department. Proto warm launchers and proto nano hives and the ability to run almost as fast as a tank can drive means that as an AV the scout can be a tank/ads killer with ease.
Honestly i think that the others classes need to be worked on so that they preform s they were built for instead of every other class doing what they do but better. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1200
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Posted - 2014.07.16 20:36:00 -
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I agree with you, except swarms still suck against HAVs and ADSs as best as I can tell.
Otherwise agree 100% & liked. |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
61
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Posted - 2014.07.16 20:41:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:I agree with you, except swarms still suck against HAVs and ADSs as best as I can tell.
Otherwise agree 100% & liked.
well you try proto swarms and stack whats left of damage mods, with the speed between firing rounds the swarms are a great tank/ads deterent. especially with the speed they have they can scare away even the most seasoned tanker or ads pilot and make them hide in the red line. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1201
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Posted - 2014.07.16 20:44:00 -
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Deterrent, sure. Kill, I've not seen much of it -- at least nowhere near with the efficiency of the heavy with a forge.
But really, my comments above were really splitting hairs, as I could not agree more with the salient points of your post. |
Atiim
Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire.
10562
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Posted - 2014.07.16 20:50:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:But when it come to AV a scout can out class a heavy in that department. Proto warm launchers and proto nano hives and the ability to run almost as fast as a tank can drive means that as an AV the scout can be a tank/ads killer with ease. The Matari Commando is the best Swarm Launcher Platform, and let me tell you why.
While you may be able to catch up to that vehicle, it means nothing if you don't have the damage to actually kill it. An ADS Pilot will easily OHK you, and an enemy who happens to stroll by will make quick work of you.
A Commando on the other hand, can dish out enough damage to make quick work of even a well fitted HAV, can survive about 2-4 hits from a Small Missile Turret, and will have enough HP to turn around, and kill an kill an enemy Infantry if need be.
Though If your Commando is having problems with not being fast enough to keep up with vehicles, then use a Complex KinCat. I agree with your other points, but any pilot who gets killed by a Swarm Scout it isn't worth the dirt they drive on.
The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers!
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hfderrtgvcd
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
202
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Posted - 2014.07.16 20:52:00 -
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assaults are the only lackluster class right now, and Rattatatata is working on fixing them now. |
Izlare Lenix
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
775
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Posted - 2014.07.16 20:59:00 -
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You are wrong. Top of the food chain is currently HMG.
They are everywhere and more and more players are using them.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
28
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:06:00 -
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Agreed. There is a little trend going on called: Scout-QQ. Now that is being fixed you can stop making threads about it and see how the fix will work out. If it's not working out you can start the trend again.
P.S. The same people complain about scouts and AV, hmmm. New trend? |
Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1128
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:13:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:You are wrong. Top of the food chain is currently HMG.
They are everywhere and more and more players are using them. A SG scout can still take down an HMG heavy no problem. Shoot him in the back of the head and then hop over him as he's turning around so you can shoot him in the back of the head again.
Can't say I'm all that surprised.
I've been drinking and may be drunk.... probably like most dust players.
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
511
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:22:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:You are wrong. Top of the food chain is currently HMG.
They are everywhere and more and more players are using them.
^this is too true....
"One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do ... wait... I'm still outclassed by Gal scouts.
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
511
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:24:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:You are wrong. Top of the food chain is currently HMG.
They are everywhere and more and more players are using them. A SG scout can still take down an HMG heavy no problem. Shoot him in the back of the head and then hop over him as he's turning around so you can shoot him in the back of the head again.
Lol not if it's point blank...you die in less than a second. And have you seen Heavies strafe? It's the most dangerous thing ever because the spray and pray wep (HMG) will kill you before you can even aim your shotgun...
"One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do ... wait... I'm still outclassed by Gal scouts.
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1128
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:32:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:You are wrong. Top of the food chain is currently HMG.
They are everywhere and more and more players are using them. A SG scout can still take down an HMG heavy no problem. Shoot him in the back of the head and then hop over him as he's turning around so you can shoot him in the back of the head again. Lol not if it's point blank...you die in less than a second. And have you seen Heavies strafe? It's the most dangerous thing ever because the spray and pray wep (HMG) will kill you before you can even aim your shotgun... Yes I have seen them strafe, I've been skilled into the sentinel since the 1.7 changes where posted last year. Majority of my deaths when playing heavy are from SG scouts that use their superior maneuverability against me, especially at point blank.
Edit: and as a scout if you're coming head on at an enemy you're doing it wrong (I bring this up because I see a lot of scouts charge at me as if they were in a fast heavy suit). If you sneak up on a heavy he has little chance against you as long as you use your strengths the way they're meant to.
Can't say I'm all that surprised.
I've been drinking and may be drunk.... probably like most dust players.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
11045
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:34:00 -
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Consdering how large Heavies are, I'm pretty sure they're at the top of the food chain.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1463
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:36:00 -
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HMG>scount
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1463
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:37:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:You are wrong. Top of the food chain is currently HMG.
They are everywhere and more and more players are using them. A SG scout can still take down an HMG heavy no problem. Shoot him in the back of the head and then hop over him as he's turning around so you can shoot him in the back of the head again. Lol not if it's point blank...you die in less than a second. And have you seen Heavies strafe? It's the most dangerous thing ever because the spray and pray wep (HMG) will kill you before you can even aim your shotgun... Yes I have seen them strafe, I've been skilled into the sentinel since the 1.7 changes where posted last year. Majority of my deaths when playing heavy are from SG scouts that use their superior maneuverability against me, especially at point blank. Edit: and as a scout if you're coming head on at an enemy you're doing it wrong. If you sneak up on a heavy he has little chance against you as long as you use your strengths the way they're meant to. IF you die to a SG scout as a heavy you're doing it wrong. you have enough buffer to survive 2 shots and a 1k DPS weapon, IDK what else you need.
Even in my mlt heavy, its really easy to kill the SG scouts cause in CQC RoF wins
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1129
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:41:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:You are wrong. Top of the food chain is currently HMG.
They are everywhere and more and more players are using them. A SG scout can still take down an HMG heavy no problem. Shoot him in the back of the head and then hop over him as he's turning around so you can shoot him in the back of the head again. Lol not if it's point blank...you die in less than a second. And have you seen Heavies strafe? It's the most dangerous thing ever because the spray and pray wep (HMG) will kill you before you can even aim your shotgun... Yes I have seen them strafe, I've been skilled into the sentinel since the 1.7 changes where posted last year. Majority of my deaths when playing heavy are from SG scouts that use their superior maneuverability against me, especially at point blank. Edit: and as a scout if you're coming head on at an enemy you're doing it wrong. If you sneak up on a heavy he has little chance against you as long as you use your strengths the way they're meant to. IF you die to a SG scout as a heavy you're doing it wrong. you have enough buffer to survive 2 shots and a 1k DPS weapon, IDK what else you need. Even in my mlt heavy, its really easy to kill the SG scouts cause in CQC RoF wins It's called head shots, they do a lot of damage especially to an armor focused suit and even more especially at point blank where most if not all the pellets hit. Maybe you should learn to aim if it takes you more than 2 shots?
Can't say I'm all that surprised.
I've been drinking and may be drunk.... probably like most dust players.
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
63
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:54:00 -
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A CQC scout is anyone's worst nightmare....with the speed and jumping ability they have ( as close to free running you can get in an fps ) they can chew through anyone.
I am a scout since closed beta when scouts and shotgun were the most OP combo ever, im talking about when shotgun profi skill increased rate of fire and not gave extra damage. As a scout i know exactly how deadly they can be, you can one-2 shot jut about any drop suit at close range and switch to the OP SMG or magsec smg for any kind of ranged battle and be able to run for clover when your out numbered.
Anyone who thinks that heavies are top of the food chain just because of their size, must have just started playing dust because with a larger hit box and slower movement then a scout how can they on top.
example.....
im a scout and i see you, so i sneak up behind you where you can't see me at all.......shoot you in the back of the head 1-2 times before you even have the chance turn around, and if your not dead then turn with you or just jump over your head and either shoot you on the top of your head or in the back again.
There is no chance for the heavy to even respond to my attack, only and only if a scout is stupid enough to try and go head to head with a heavy will the heavy win.
The scout hot fix that is coming will only effect the cal/gal scouts not the min or amarr so who they preform will not change. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
2693
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Posted - 2014.07.16 22:13:00 -
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I have seen too many heavies be able to twirl around after 1 shot with their HMG to believe that. They don't even have to aim, just spin around with that thing firing and you are dead.
This is how a minja feels
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2014.07.16 22:16:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:I agree with you, except swarms still suck against HAVs and ADSs as best as I can tell.
Otherwise agree 100% & liked. maybe not your swarms...
something new eden sees allot of
Mortedeamor (cbr7 swarm launcher ) (some random tankers name here)
cbr7 because my wykas are just easy cake and i wanna face roll you with adv av so you feel thoroughly outclassed
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
523
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Posted - 2014.07.16 22:16:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:You are wrong. Top of the food chain is currently HMG.
They are everywhere and more and more players are using them. A SG scout can still take down an HMG heavy no problem. Shoot him in the back of the head and then hop over him as he's turning around so you can shoot him in the back of the head again. Lol not if it's point blank...you die in less than a second. And have you seen Heavies strafe? It's the most dangerous thing ever because the spray and pray wep (HMG) will kill you before you can even aim your shotgun... Yes I have seen them strafe, I've been skilled into the sentinel since the 1.7 changes where posted last year. Majority of my deaths when playing heavy are from SG scouts that use their superior maneuverability against me, especially at point blank. Edit: and as a scout if you're coming head on at an enemy you're doing it wrong (I bring this up because I see a lot of scouts charge at me as if they were in a fast heavy suit). If you sneak up on a heavy he has little chance against you as long as you use your strengths the way they're meant to.
Yea I'm talking about after the 1st shotgun shot you tank, heavies like to do 360s and spray and pray.
"One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do ... wait... I'm still outclassed by Gal scouts.
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
524
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Posted - 2014.07.16 22:18:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:A CQC scout is anyone's worst nightmare....with the speed and jumping ability they have ( as close to free running you can get in an fps ) they can chew through anyone.
I am a scout since closed beta when scouts and shotgun were the most OP combo ever, im talking about when shotgun profi skill increased rate of fire and not gave extra damage. As a scout i know exactly how deadly they can be, you can one-2 shot jut about any drop suit at close range and switch to the OP SMG or magsec smg for any kind of ranged battle and be able to run for clover when your out numbered.
Anyone who thinks that heavies are top of the food chain just because of their size, must have just started playing dust because with a larger hit box and slower movement then a scout how can they on top.
example.....
im a scout and i see you, so i sneak up behind you where you can't see me at all.......shoot you in the back of the head 1-2 times before you even have the chance turn around, and if your not dead then turn with you or just jump over your head and either shoot you on the top of your head or in the back again.
There is no chance for the heavy to even respond to my attack, only and only if a scout is stupid enough to try and go head to head with a heavy will the heavy win.
The scout hot fix that is coming will only effect the cal/gal scouts not the min or amarr so who they preform will not change.
Did you even look at the hotfix thread? It's affecting all the scouts.
Amarr - Precision Scan Bonus Caldari - Bonus Mod to Precision and Dampening is being added. Minmatar - NK upgrade, PG upgrade Gallente - Precision Bonus added
For all: Codebreakers and KinCat PG reduction.
"One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do ... wait... I'm still outclassed by Gal scouts.
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Zindorak
CaUsE-4-CoNcErN
135
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Posted - 2014.07.16 22:18:00 -
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Heavy om nom nom a scout unless its a Cal Scout. They are mysteriously impervious to the HMG |
Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:09:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:Heavy om nom nom a scout unless its a Cal Scout. They are mysteriously impervious to the HMG
As a cal logi, sentinel, assault and scout I will tell you that this is not true. I die alot by the hands of hmg's. As a matter of fact getting hit is still slowing you down, especially speed suits.
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Zindorak
CaUsE-4-CoNcErN
135
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:22:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote:Zindorak wrote:Heavy om nom nom a scout unless its a Cal Scout. They are mysteriously impervious to the HMG As a cal logi, sentinel, assault and scout I will tell you that this is not true. I die alot by the hands of hmg's. As a matter of fact getting hit is still slowing you down, especially speed suits. Oh |
Fizzer94
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2926
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:23:00 -
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The Boundless HMG is at the top of the food chain.
My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon.
Please unnerf ScPs and fix IoPs...
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
3916
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:32:00 -
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I created the food chain.
I own the food chain.
Flux nades>dust.
Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!.
This is unacceptable!.
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
5288
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:43:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Ever since we got the rest of the heavy suits and scout suits, scouts have been the top class to use. They oust assault the assaults with smaller hit box, faster movement even with armor mods, and the ability to cloak and then shoot people before they even notice they re almost dead.
Scouts can out logi a logi because they more then 1 equpiment slot so they can carry a nanite injector or nanohive or repair tool and get the same war points tat a logi can get especially with the abbility to change your suit in the middle of the game at a supply depo, just spam uplinks then switch at first supply depo then spam nano haive and switch a third time and use a needle and rep tool for the rest of the match.
As for right now the scout class can do just about everything better then the classes that are supposed to be the one that do that stuff, the only other class they can't do the same stuff better is being a heavy, since a scout can't carry a hmg or forge gun.
But when it come to AV a scout can out class a heavy in that department. Proto warm launchers and proto nano hives and the ability to run almost as fast as a tank can drive means that as an AV the scout can be a tank/ads killer with ease.
Honestly i think that the others classes need to be worked on so that they preform s they were built for instead of every other class doing what they do but better.
''and the ability to run almost as fast as a tank can drive means that as an AV the scout can be a tank/ads killer with ease. '' HAHA that one was hilarious XD
When the enemy has lots of scouts , i actually change my scout suit to a Min Sent or a Amarr Assault because its easier to drop them
Scouts were bad for a very long time, now they are back at chromo level and people complain about them way too much as if they are god mode.They are not. Most people are just jumping into the ''scout OP'' complain train to avoid blaming their selves for their failures.
''Honestly i think that the others classes need to be worked on so that they preform s they were built for instead of every other class doing what they do but better''
This gives you my like. No Nerf request but a buff for med frames. Heavies are in a good place right now with their place in the battlefield unrivaled by any other frame.
Stealth Storm
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Beastlina
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:52:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote:Agreed. There is a little trend going on called: Scout-QQ. Now that the scouts are being fixed you can stop making threads about it and see how the fix will work out. If it's not working out you can start the trend again.
P.S. The same people complain about scouts and AV, hmmm. New trend?
The thing about that is scouts are being fixed so that they are even with other scouts. They will be balanced among each other but they will all still be overpowered vs other classes. |
KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
5292
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:59:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:The Boundless HMG is at the top of the food chain.
Thats actually pretty accurate.
not only the Boundless. Any REG Version HMG.
Stealth Storm
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
66
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Posted - 2014.07.17 01:57:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:The Boundless HMG is at the top of the food chain. Thats actually pretty accurate. not only the Boundless. Any REG Version HMG.
really so when i 1-2 shot a heavy because he couldn't turn fast enough to keep up with me and my shotgun....is that top of the food chain? Maybe they are a close second but by far not the top. |
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1211
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:46:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:im a scout and i see you, so i sneak up behind you where you can't see me at all.......shoot you in the back of the head 1-2 times before you even have the chance turn around, and if your not dead then turn with you or just jump over your head and either shoot you on the top of your head or in the back again.
Not if he's in my squad....you're not sneaking up on anyone. Or if you run enough dampners to, you'll run into me, perhaps kill me if you're good, then die a second or two later to that HMG who I have just warned.
That said, I do tend to agree that cloaked scouts are a bit much for pub matches and unsuspecting targets, but CQC scouts, unless you're crazy good, don't pass the mustard any more in PC.
IMO of course...Mike |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
67
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:50:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:843-Vika wrote:im a scout and i see you, so i sneak up behind you where you can't see me at all.......shoot you in the back of the head 1-2 times before you even have the chance turn around, and if your not dead then turn with you or just jump over your head and either shoot you on the top of your head or in the back again. Not if he's in my squad....you're not sneaking up on anyone. Or if you run enough dampness to get past my scans, you'll run into me, perhaps kill me if you're good, then die a second or two later to that HMG who I have just warned. :) That said, I do tend to agree that cloaked scouts are a bit much for pub matches and unsuspecting targets, but CQC scouts, unless you're crazy good, don't pass the mustard any more running solo against a well-formed and skilled squad. IMO of course...Leadfoot p.s. what heavies are you 1 or even 2 shotting?
just about any sentinel suit if i can get a close enough head shot with my SG........with the bonus to armor damage they got now if your shield tanked it may take at most 3 shots but other then that, 1 shot get rid of shields....2nd shot finish you off or be able switch to smg to finish you off.....your cursing me out while you respawn........rinse and repeat
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
3593
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Posted - 2014.07.17 15:57:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Ever since we got the rest of the heavy suits and scout suits, scouts have been the top class to use. They oust assault the assaults with smaller hit box, faster movement even with armor mods, and the ability to cloak and then shoot people before they even notice they re almost dead.
Scouts can out logi a logi because they more then 1 equpiment slot so they can carry a nanite injector or nanohive or repair tool and get the same war points tat a logi can get especially with the abbility to change your suit in the middle of the game at a supply depo, just spam uplinks then switch at first supply depo then spam nano haive and switch a third time and use a needle and rep tool for the rest of the match.
As for right now the scout class can do just about everything better then the classes that are supposed to be the one that do that stuff, the only other class they can't do the same stuff better is being a heavy, since a scout can't carry a hmg or forge gun.
But when it come to AV a scout can out class a heavy in that department. Proto warm launchers and proto nano hives and the ability to run almost as fast as a tank can drive means that as an AV the scout can be a tank/ads killer with ease.
Honestly i think that the others classes need to be worked on so that they preform s they were built for instead of every other class doing what they do but better. i see more heavys then scouts. |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
67
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Posted - 2014.07.17 16:01:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:843-Vika wrote:Ever since we got the rest of the heavy suits and scout suits, scouts have been the top class to use. They oust assault the assaults with smaller hit box, faster movement even with armor mods, and the ability to cloak and then shoot people before they even notice they re almost dead.
Scouts can out logi a logi because they more then 1 equpiment slot so they can carry a nanite injector or nanohive or repair tool and get the same war points tat a logi can get especially with the abbility to change your suit in the middle of the game at a supply depo, just spam uplinks then switch at first supply depo then spam nano haive and switch a third time and use a needle and rep tool for the rest of the match.
As for right now the scout class can do just about everything better then the classes that are supposed to be the one that do that stuff, the only other class they can't do the same stuff better is being a heavy, since a scout can't carry a hmg or forge gun.
But when it come to AV a scout can out class a heavy in that department. Proto warm launchers and proto nano hives and the ability to run almost as fast as a tank can drive means that as an AV the scout can be a tank/ads killer with ease.
Honestly i think that the others classes need to be worked on so that they preform s they were built for instead of every other class doing what they do but better. i see more heavys then scouts.
because scout are usually cloaked lmao.....but seriously there are entire corps that have scout build along with their main fit..... |
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