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Zion Shad
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:23:00 -
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There are many things as a community for Dust514 to help with growth. One thing I want to see is just a little more marketing of Dust514 (call it a last hurrah) to help grow our community and show new life here. Something that focuses on the players and highlights that this game is not so Clean Cut, but Hard Core.
If elected (and you can make this happen by voting) is I will fly my a** to the new CCP Office in Seattle and pitch community Ideas to the marketing team there. Plus I will tape my entire trip so you will see what has been done on your behalf. I wont just wait on some trip to Shanghai to rep in person or hit the ground running. Ill Do what I have been doing already. Ill be at Eve Vegas to speak for Dust, Ill fly to Seattle to Speak for Dust and Ill go to Iceland to speak for Dust. to Speak for you
If you have anything you want said, any ideas you want on the table PLEASE Post here, because if Im elected this trip is going to be put together and happen FAST. So what do you want?
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:27:00 -
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Dust is dead. We're just humping its corpse.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:28:00 -
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Well, I don't really want an unfinished game with no NPE to be marketed to the public. Until CCP proves themselves as a confident Gaming Company, I don't think they should market any of their games.
"Your forefathers fought alongside the Empire, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
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Posted - 2014.07.14 22:04:00 -
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I have plans for ordering Dust 514/Legion bumper stickers
Was thinking about possibly sending them out to other players too.
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Zion Shad
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Posted - 2014.07.14 22:25:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Dust is dead. We're just humping the corpse.
CCP has demonstrated to the players that they are incapable of handling the development of Dust 514, or consistently answering the community's questions. Until they correct those behaviors I'm not recruiting anyone into any CCP game... in fact, I'll probably recommend people steer clear of them.
This is sad. Is it unwarranted ? No, but still sad. Look I'm look for players who want there game improved. Not look for spoon fed cry baby's
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Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.14 22:37:00 -
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Thats a great idea. This game needs to be marketed as hardcore so people know what to expect instead of getting their butts handed to them and shocked by it. I would like to see more ads in the PSN. The marketing doesnt have to be front and center, just enough to grab some eyeballs or at least the crowd who doesnt have a PS4. Besides COD, BF4 and KillZone, there isnt much offering and what Dust offers is mature and compelling. Market it as a mature FPS and lets get some new blood who arent afraid of the uphill battle, in here. |
Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.14 22:40:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Dust is dead. We're just humping the corpse.
CCP has demonstrated to the players that they are incapable of handling the development of Dust 514, or consistently answering the community's questions. Until they correct those behaviors I'm not recruiting anyone into any CCP game... in fact, I'll probably recommend people steer clear of them.
Oh it is? Could have fooled me because I played a couple of matches today and my friendo was just involved in PC yesterday. Doomsayers are pathetic friend. Live in the moment. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2014.07.14 22:40:00 -
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Too little, too late.
If they (CCP) didn't care enough or have enough faith in their own product at the release date, what can we do for them now - more than a year later? After they've all but abandonded us and this title?
What have you done for me lately, Eddie Murphy?
PSN: The_Rynoceros
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.14 22:49:00 -
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First and foremost, a better NPE. Otherwise, all the rest of it is just lip service. If NPE is not improved, the game will die, pure and simple.
A steep learning curve is good for Dust, I think we can all agree on that. It keeps the playerbase more mature, as a general rule. However, that's not what this game has -- we have a learning cliff, and the simple fact is that new mature players that otherwise would have stuck around for the challenge decided not to, because the challenge of becoming competitive is near insurmountable, near-term.
CCP's 'HTFU' mentality has caused more harm than good in the long run, and it's high time they begin seriously addressing it, otherwise there is no point in continuing with this game. CCP clearly wants to cultivate a certain type of playerbase, and one which evidently they view as profitable long term. That's fine, I actually kinda respect their philosophy, to an extent. But their HTFU philosophy has always been short sighted with regards to Dust, and needs to be revised against profitability concerns.
We here in the forums talk a lot about the NPE in terms of building a community, so that we can get others enjoying our past time as much as we do. But community concerns are not business concerns, so here's a serious question for the brass at CCP, re-phrased in terms they may appreciate more: How much revenue would you estimate was lost in the last 1.5 years because serious, mature players with a reasonable disposable income found the NPE of Dust to be insurmountable? Because personally, I would estimate it to be just shy of 1 metric fuckton. And at this stage, after all that's happened, do you think it was worth it?
I don't. I could have gotten multiple people in this game -- mature, dedicated players that would have stuck around and spent money, if the NPE wasn't complete crap. And this story is as common as a protostomping Nyain ambush squad -- the forums are full of stories like this.
And as an aside: don't tell me to 'htfu' in reply. I've been here since January 2013, amassed 30 million SP on 2 toons and 16 on a third. I've spent real money on all of them, and I've played through slayer logis, murder taxis, massholes, TAC ARs, tower forge gunners, tank spam, flaylocks, LLAVs, protostomping, glitches, bugs, ps3 hard freezes, lag, the Rouge Wedding, ADSs, on and on and on. Your opinion of me falls on deaf ears. I've been through it all, and I'm still here. Take a good look at me, motherfrakers. You will not find harder. And if you're still here and reading this, that's probably true of you as well; I'm certainly not unique in this respect.
CCP is the one that needs to HTFU, swallow it's pride, and take a look at what they are really trying to do here. Anything else is a waste of ******* time.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:10:00 -
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HTFU is perfect. Because when a noob sticks his head out of the hole, I'm pretty sure your corporation and many others won't take it easy on him.
Let's not be phoney about New Eden here. New Eden is ruthless.
I don't care what you amassed. When I was a rookie going against the likes of your corporation, I had no choice but to HTFU or allow your guys to get the best of me, pushing me away from this game.
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:26:00 -
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In hopes of seeimg this game continue to grow.
I think a simple statement from CCP with the words "we are going to continue to build on this game until legion comes out."
The hotfixes are nice, but we need a few more things to look forward to in today's world. A statement that says they are committed to dust with a major content boost every 6-8 months.
Another idea would be to let them sell sp cap increase boosters so new players can continue to grind up their skill points.
And finally I think planetary conquest needs something to incintivise the war effort. For the vetransthis was the most fun this game had to offer, granted their was some problems. However if some kind of fix can be Implemented into an all out competitive
Type of environment this game could last a long time just on that. I still don't know what that is? But theirhave been some great ideas proposed.
Good luck on getting the votes Shad, you have always been a good voice for the community. |
J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:27:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:HTFU is perfect. Because when a noob sticks his head out of the hole, I'm pretty sure your corporation and many others won't take it easy on him.
Let's not be phoney about New Eden here. New Eden is ruthless.
I don't care what you amassed. When I was a rookie going against the likes of your corporation, I had no choice but to HTFU or allow your guys to get the best of me, pushing me away from this game.
The current HTFU philosophy has irreparably damaged this game from the start, and driven away players that otherwise would have stayed, had the difficulty level been slighty decreased. You are the exception. Not the rule.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:31:00 -
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J4yne C0bb wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:HTFU is perfect. Because when a noob sticks his head out of the hole, I'm pretty sure your corporation and many others won't take it easy on him.
Let's not be phoney about New Eden here. New Eden is ruthless.
I don't care what you amassed. When I was a rookie going against the likes of your corporation, I had no choice but to HTFU or allow your guys to get the best of me, pushing me away from this game.
The current HTFU has irreparably damaged this game from the start. You are the exception. Not the rule.
I thought the unspoken rule was to never give up even when the stakes is high? To pursue even when millions stand against you?
If you blaming HTFU as cause of damaging the game, then I raise your corporation as guilty as well. You shouldn't came into pub matches with 6 of your guys. You shouldn't used teamwork. You shouldn't have pulverized your competition.
But that's all I have to say. Don't want to mess up OP's thread with foolish back and forth about HTFU. |
Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:54:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:There are many things as a community for Dust514 to help with growth. One thing I want to see is just a little more marketing of Dust514 (call it a last hurrah) to help grow our community and show new life here. Something that focuses on the players and highlights that this game is not so Clean Cut, but Hard Core. If elected (and you can make this happen by voting) is I will fly my a** to the new CCP Office in Seattle and pitch community Ideas to the marketing team there. Plus I will tape my entire trip so you will see what has been done on your behalf. I wont just wait on some trip to Shanghai to rep in person or hit the ground running. Ill Do what I have been doing already. Ill be at Eve Vegas to speak for Dust, Ill fly to Seattle to Speak for Dust and Ill go to Iceland to speak for Dust. to Speak for you If you have anything you want said, any ideas you want on the table PLEASE Post here, because if Im elected this trip is going to be put together and happen FAST. So what do you want?
you had me at hello.
I already voted for you....
I applaud your enthusiasm, however stay grounded in the reality that your efforts will only be as fruitful as the soil you plant your seed in....and ccp's fields are at best inhospitable to the garden variety dust vegetation. |
Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.14 23:59:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I have plans for ordering Dust 514/Legion bumper stickers
Was thinking about possibly sending them out to other players too.
I'll take one but only if it says:
Dust514? / Legion? |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 00:12:00 -
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"NPE"! I'll say it again "NPE" YES it's needed. Let's Road map Marketing to gain players & Create a better NPE experience to help retain players. Let's create an affordable growth package for Dust 514.
Other elements need to be take Care of as well. I understand. One of which to retain players is a better PC expieance need to be on this map as well and with growth brings finding and change
Thanks guys for both the feedback and passion. Let work on a business deal with CCP and get what we all want.
The most Hard Core element about Dust is you guys. Were a bunch of ruthless A Holes and Damn if I don't love you all for it
CPM1 Hopeful
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.07.15 00:15:00 -
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Seymour KrelbornX wrote:
I applaud your enthusiasm, however stay grounded in the reality that your efforts will only be as fruitful as the soil you plant your seed in....and ccp's fields are at best inhospitable to the garden variety dust vegetation.
You do realized Shad is the king of tinfoil right? He covers his entire body it in it. Women wont even sleep with him because he insists on using tin foil condoms.
Like my ideas?
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Zion Shad
ZionTCD
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 00:32:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Seymour KrelbornX wrote:
I applaud your enthusiasm, however stay grounded in the reality that your efforts will only be as fruitful as the soil you plant your seed in....and ccp's fields are at best inhospitable to the garden variety dust vegetation.
You do realized Shad is the king of tinfoil right? He covers his entire body it in it. Women wont even sleep with him because he insists on using tin foil condoms.
Hey man I might not be part of the Xel Dream Team but at lest I do want this game to grow and trying to figure new ways to bring new blood to the battle field. Marketing is part of what I do. How would you bring new players to Dust?
CPM1 Hopeful
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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.15 00:33:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Seymour KrelbornX wrote:
I applaud your enthusiasm, however stay grounded in the reality that your efforts will only be as fruitful as the soil you plant your seed in....and ccp's fields are at best inhospitable to the garden variety dust vegetation.
You do realized Shad is the king of tinfoil right? He covers his entire body it in it. Women wont even sleep with him because he insists on using tin foil condoms.
you don't need women, when you have tin foil
you really don't need anything, when you have tinfoil....
tin foil will provide
hmmmm... why didn't I put a space in tinfoil all three times.... wait.... 4 times!
.....hmmmmm.....hmmmmmm.....hmmmmmmm.... |
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Posted - 2014.07.15 00:37:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:How would you bring new players to Dust?
I'd wait until after CCP completes it and release it and then advertise it.......
...Oh
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Zion Shad
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2014.07.15 00:39:00 -
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Seymour KrelbornX wrote:Zion Shad wrote:There are many things as a community for Dust514 to help with growth. One thing I want to see is just a little more marketing of Dust514 (call it a last hurrah) to help grow our community and show new life here. Something that focuses on the players and highlights that this game is not so Clean Cut, but Hard Core. If elected (and you can make this happen by voting) is I will fly my a** to the new CCP Office in Seattle and pitch community Ideas to the marketing team there. Plus I will tape my entire trip so you will see what has been done on your behalf. I wont just wait on some trip to Shanghai to rep in person or hit the ground running. Ill Do what I have been doing already. Ill be at Eve Vegas to speak for Dust, Ill fly to Seattle to Speak for Dust and Ill go to Iceland to speak for Dust. to Speak for you If you have anything you want said, any ideas you want on the table PLEASE Post here, because if Im elected this trip is going to be put together and happen FAST. So what do you want? you had me at hello. I already voted for you.... I applaud your enthusiasm, however stay grounded in the reality that your efforts will only be as fruitful as the soil you plant your seed in....and ccp's fields are at best inhospitable to the garden variety dust vegetation.
Thank you so much for the support! Look I have the resources to travel and the connections to go pitch and also have a look around. Since I have the means I'm going to be there anyways so might as well see what can be do to benifit Dust. "No" does not bother me, only regret of failing by not doing anything at all.
CPM1 Hopeful
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.07.15 00:41:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:Oh it is? Could have fooled me because I played a couple of matches today and my friendo was just involved in PC yesterday.
This is a F2P game, cupcake. The server will never be completely barren so long as people are broke and need an FPS to play, but Dust 514 will never experience another 1.x patch again... that will lead to stagnation and for an MMORPG that is a death sentence.
Mikey Ducati wrote:Doomsayers are pathetic friend. Live in the moment.
I AM living in the moment. Here are some cold facts for you...
While nice, hotfixes Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie are just bandaids that do not contain any real new content. The only purpose these bandaid patches serve is to keep a trickle of AUR sales coming in while CCP tries to develop Legion.
OP is basically asking us to help CCP keep making money off of a game that is on life support, because another game (that even been ******* greenlit yet) might be better and we might keep some of our progression we earned in Dust 514 if CCP make the transfers work.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.07.15 00:44:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:This is sad. Is it unwarranted ? No, but still sad. Look I'm looking for players who want their game improved. Not look for spoon fed cry baby's
I've wanted my game improved since 1.0.
My Omega Youthful Optimism Booster has run out and I'm not buying CCP's AUR until they ******* wow me.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.07.15 00:50:00 -
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Marketing costs tons of money.
Especially given where Dust is, and how many people have tried it and disliked it.
Not only do you have to combat lack of awareness for some people, but for many many others you would have to combat the poor perceptions they developed with their initial experiences.
That is a massive amount of money to throw into a game that is headed to nowhere.
Their best option is to do what they are doing by focusing on Legion now that it has been announced, and making relatively easy fixes to dust to make it more enjoyable for those who still play and for those players to bring back some of their friends.
This is how a minja feels
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
473
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Posted - 2014.07.15 02:25:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:Don't want to mess up OP's thread with foolish back and forth about HTFU.
I don't think the HTFU discussion is foolish, I think it's essential. I think CCPs stringent adherence to it is one of the core reasons my favorite game is failing, and if Shad has the opportunity to talk with them directly, I'd like my opinion to be considered, at least.
You know what? You are absolutely right. Molon, Nyain, ERA, FA, AE, all the big well-known corps, both past and present, are guilty of making the NPE fraking miserable for new players. I'm guilty of it. I've stomped when I probably shouldn't have, and I'll tell you something: I regret it. I sometimes wonder how many new players I've stomped out of this game, never to return -- cool people I might have become friendly and squadded with, or tryhards that I disliked and still enjoyed fighting against -- and for what? Every shot I fired from my Six Kin ACR in a pub match might has well have been in our collective foots.
CCP is to blame for creating the game to allow stomping. But they aren't playing it. We are. And so yes, some of that responsibility lies on the community.
Even so, I think my original point still stands. Since the community is clearly unwilling to police itself, it's CCP's job to step in, if only for monetary concerns -- lose of revenue due to their game being unplayable for noobs. Just in case I wasn't quite clear in my OP: Dust's steep learning curve needs to be re-tuned, not discarded. Hard is good. Really hard is good. But Dust for noobs is an exercise in futility until enough SP has been accrued, and addressing this needs to be top priority with CCP these days, if they want this game to survive.
We need a more forgiving Battle Academy to keep the noobs isolated for a longer time, and meta-level gear limited pub matches to close the gap between 5 million and 30 million SP players, and that will fix NPE to a large degree. Otherwise, here's your marketing campaign:
"Dust 514: The Hardest FPS EVAR! Create a Merc today -- Then Come Back 9 Months Later So You Can Actually Play Him!"
Zion Shad wrote:Were a bunch of ruthless A Holes and Damn if I don't love you all for it
Likewise 
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
298
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Posted - 2014.07.15 02:41:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:Oh it is? Could have fooled me because I played a couple of matches today and my friendo was just involved in PC yesterday. This is a F2P game, cupcake. The server will never be completely barren so long as people are broke and need an FPS to play, but Dust 514 will never experience another 1.x patch again... that will lead to stagnation and for an MMORPG that is a death sentence. Mikey Ducati wrote:Doomsayers are pathetic friend. Live in the moment. I AM living in the moment. Here are some cold facts for you... While nice, hotfixes Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie are just bandaids that do not contain any real new content. The only purpose these bandaid patches serve is to keep a trickle of AUR sales coming in while CCP tries to develop Legion. OP is basically asking us to help CCP keep making money off of a game that is on life support, because another game (that even been ******* greenlit yet) might be better and we might keep some of our progression we earned in Dust 514 if CCP make the transfers work.
Cupcake? I often wonder how ballsy you guys would be if we stood face to face.
No, actually the OP is asking for ways to sustain life in this game because he likes Dust and would like to see others experience this FPS title that has more depth than any other FPS title for the consoles.
The OP isn't looking at this with immature attitude like you and many others are. Of course he may be disappointed but is that any right to let that monkey ride the back? Look, we understand that the times has changed and that FF didn't produce the results we wanted. But its about here and now. Where we go from here. If we can get more players involved into this game, think of how that would revitalize pub matches-the game as a whole.
No offense, but that takes a mature adult who sees the whole picture instead of children like you who cross your arms and stomp your feet.
What you don't realize is that you are the one who looks like an idiot speaking all that in your posts but you continually visit these forums. For what purpose? If anything, make it for a better purpose. For something good to happen in Dust. Not the constant whine and "Dust is Dead" talks. We've heard it before. You dudes keep saying the same crap. Just leave if you feel CCP is hustling you.
I don't mind talking with adults about differences of opinions but child like mentalities are not really entertaining for me. It's about what we can do with Dust now. And if the OP feels he can push for something better to bring about more people, then just who the heck are you to complain about that? You need to be sat in a playpen. This is grown folks conversation here. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.07.15 03:16:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Seymour KrelbornX wrote:
I applaud your enthusiasm, however stay grounded in the reality that your efforts will only be as fruitful as the soil you plant your seed in....and ccp's fields are at best inhospitable to the garden variety dust vegetation.
You do realized Shad is the king of tinfoil right? He covers his entire body it in it. Women wont even sleep with him because he insists on using tin foil condoms. Hey man I might not be part of the Xel Dream Team but at lest I do want this game to grow and trying to figure new ways to bring new blood to the battle field. Marketing is part of what I do. How would you bring new players to Dust?
Lol chill dude I was just poking fun at your rather colorful predictions at times. 
No one doubts your passion for the game and the community, myself included.
Like my ideas?
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
2222
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Posted - 2014.07.15 03:36:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:Oh it is? Could have fooled me because I played a couple of matches today and my friendo was just involved in PC yesterday. This is a F2P game, cupcake. The server will never be completely barren so long as people are broke and need an FPS to play, but Dust 514 will never experience another 1.x patch again... that will lead to stagnation and for an MMORPG that is a death sentence. Mikey Ducati wrote:Doomsayers are pathetic friend. Live in the moment. I AM living in the moment. Here are some cold facts for you... While nice, hotfixes Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie are just bandaids that do not contain any real new content. The only purpose these bandaid patches serve is to keep a trickle of AUR sales coming in while CCP tries to develop Legion. OP is basically asking us to help CCP keep making money off of a game that is on life support, because another game (that even been ******* greenlit yet) might be better and we might keep some of our progression we earned in Dust 514 if CCP make the transfers work.
Here is some hard sense. I know all you can do is "Feel" and blame.. Again as said previously. not unwarranted.
DUST 514 isn't going anywhere.
It will most likely be here this time next year with a new person in your shoes repeating the same thing.. Like there was last year.
Video games take money and time to develop. Legion won't be here next year.. or probably even the next if CCP is smart.
CCP spent around 15-20 mil in salaries alone in development of DUST 514. they started in 2009. 5 years later and over 30-60mil in. they aren't gonna pull the plug until it actually costs them money, and don't get twisted they have been making money. and if there is money to be made here by investing some? They will.
So you can just repeat the same 30 people saying it is dead... even though any look at the facts clearly proves that it isn't..
But instead of letting a game we all clearly care about(or we wouldn't be here).. Just waste away for the next few years in it's current state... why don't we use the power of the consumer and community to force the small changes that would actually improve the product for the next few years. Like a proper NPE, a few of Legions new maps dumbed down for DUST.
And help create something better for the future generation of DUST gamers. |
Clone D
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Posted - 2014.07.15 04:05:00 -
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We, the community, should create a small financial trust collectively, and then purchase Dust 514 from CCP and develop it exactly how we think it should have been developed in the first place.
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