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XxGhazbaranxX
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:00:00 -
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NEW VIDEO - Bullet magnetism
OLD AIM ASSIST VIDEO
Hello guys,
Whether people want to believe it or not, aim assist exists. It's here to make you feel better about yourself. Does it need to go? Does it need to be toned down? You decide.
Plasma Cannon Advocate
Dust 514 Survivor
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Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition
Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:03:00 -
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Either way, it's getting scraped in Legion my friend, don't waste your efforts. |
Spaceman-Rob
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:04:00 -
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Just a quick note before I watch your vid, I don't think ccp will ever remove it so the least we can hope for is that it would be toned down a bit. |
medomai grey
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:12:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:NEW VIDEO - Bullet magnetism OLD AIM ASSIST VIDEOHello guys, Whether people want to believe it or not, aim assist exists. It's here to make you feel better about yourself. Does it need to go? Does it need to be toned down? You decide. Damn, and I thought my aim was getting better. Turns out the hit boxes were just larger then the art assets.
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No that is not bullet magnetism. And thank you for pointing out this problem.
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Beld Errmon
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:15:00 -
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KB/M doesn't get that, you can aim right at ppl and the bullets won't register, till you get an emulator then suddenly you can't miss.
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XxGhazbaranxX
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:20:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Damn, and I thought my aim was getting better. Turns out the hit boxes were just larger then the art assets.
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No that is not bullet magnetism. And thank you for pointing out this problem.
Yeh no.... This doesnt happen with keyboard and mouse which doesn't have aim assist. Nice attempt at trolling. I give you a C-
Plasma Cannon Advocate
Dust 514 Survivor
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Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:20:00 -
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Why in the hell are we talking about this? This is sooooooooo old and in this game current stage of life...why the hell is this a big deal???? |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:23:00 -
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Turn off aim assist and suddenly the veterans are unstoppable.
It mostly helps newbies.
There's a reason why top DUST player's KDR dropped after aim assist was introduced.
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:51:00 -
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Damn, the ACR is OP!
Did you guys see that? Its rounds are heat-seeking. CCP, please nerf the ACR! Oh, and let's not forget about the BP. It only took 3 shots to kill that guy and its rounds are clearly heat-seeking as well.
So OP. |
I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2014.07.11 11:00:00 -
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Needs to be tested with ADS too as it could simply just be the dispersion not being constant with the reticle.
but that bolt pistol part was what really got me. There's no way that all 3 shots hit to the left.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.07.11 11:15:00 -
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Hipfire dispersion, i don't think it's bullet magnetism.
PSN: ogamega
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2911
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Posted - 2014.07.11 11:23:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Hipfire dispersion, i don't think it's bullet magnetism.
Tell that to the BP. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.07.11 11:27:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:shaman oga wrote:Hipfire dispersion, i don't think it's bullet magnetism. Tell that to the BP.
I have proto BP, dispersion is high if you don't ads.
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.11 11:37:00 -
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So, BP rounds naturally disperse to the left? Awesome, now I know a sure fire way to get all rounds to hit: aim to the right of the person you're shooting at. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:04:00 -
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Random, right and left, almost never to the center.
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Beld Errmon
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:13:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:medomai grey wrote:Damn, and I thought my aim was getting better. Turns out the hit boxes were just larger then the art assets.
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No that is not bullet magnetism. And thank you for pointing out this problem.
Yeh no.... This doesnt happen with keyboard and mouse which doesn't have aim assist. Nice attempt at trolling. I give you a C-
Um i guess your talking to me? not trolling just commenting on bullet magnetism its been a subject close to my heart since CCP decided to ruin the mouse in the name of balance AKA pandering to the console kids they later abandoned, just because I disagree with you in a different subject doesn't mean i'm out to get you on every thread.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:16:00 -
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While Imwould say the footage is mildly worrying.
It's not been tested enough.
1) If you look at the video done on the Scouts you can shoot a mm to the side and miss.
You need to show both ADS and Hipfire.
2) You need to reaim after each shot, your hit ratio increased dramatically as you approached the elbow, the widest part of the hitbox.
In reality you need to repeat the test hundreds of times, place the reticule 1/2 on 1/2 off your target.
If there is bullet magnetism you will see greater than 50% hit rate, I would suggest using the scrambler or Ion pistol as both have lower recoil and muzzle flash.
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sabre prime
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
289
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:31:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Random, right and left, almost never to the center.
Umm, test by aiming above the head. And see if the bullets disperse down.
It's a good video. I feel this happening so many times with lots of different guns in the game. You're sure you didn't actually hit the other player, but it still registers a hit/kill.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:35:00 -
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Thanks for vids.
Some things as a reminder for everyone:
- Aim assist and magnetism are different things. AA is definately only for controller pad. Magnetism might be universal.
- There is a chance repeated hipfire dispersion accounts for some of new vids hits
- Under moderate server lag situations there can be hits which are similar to magnetism, although server lag does both: hits and misses
- Nevertheless magnetism still seems to be real: some other vids showed blatant hits while shooting off target. Infantry targets 'catch' forge rounds. Small rail shots can go 3-4cm off 27" screen and still result in headshot (although that might be different lag as sometimes direct hits won't register)
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:47:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Thanks for vids.
Some things as a reminder for everyone:
- Aim assist and magnetism are different things. AA is definately only for controller pad. Magnetism might be universal.
- There is a chance repeated hipfire dispersion accounts for some of new vids hits
- Under moderate server lag situations there can be hits which are similar to magnetism, although server lag does both: hits and misses
- Nevertheless magnetism still seems to be real: some other vids showed blatant hits while shooting off target. Infantry targets 'catch' forge rounds. Small rail shots can go 3-4cm off 27" screen and still result in headshot (although that might be different lag as sometimes direct hits won't register)
This is the thing until we actually look at the code we can never be certain.
Ghosts in the machine and all that.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:50:00 -
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for me it looks like a combination of weapons spread and poor hit boxes. if you take a closer look and pause the game at the right time then you can see that some of the projectiles were slightly going to the lower left corner of his crosshair (closer to the dropsuit) when he was firing in quicker succession.
I would also like to see how caldari scouts hitbox behave cause I always hear nightmare stories about it |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:58:00 -
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Not even Neo could dodge those bullets. |
Hakyou Brutor
G0DS AM0NG MEN
850
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:59:00 -
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I would be more than okay with taking AA out... but I think all the people with no gun game would just use the mass driver...
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.07.11 13:28:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:I would be more than okay with taking AA out... but I think all the people with no gun game would just use the mass driver...
They would still die, the Mass Driver doesn't make up for poor gun game, it requires better gungame tham tjose using rifles.
If you take AA the game will simply return to the same state it was in before.
The same state it is in now, no-one bothers with anything but EHP modules and those that do are on the fringes of the game's society.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.11 15:18:00 -
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Bullet magnitism or dispersion resulting in off-target hits?
Sure looks to me like the new video is an example of the latter rather than the former. |
Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
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Posted - 2014.07.11 15:21:00 -
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I Know How To Get Aim Assist While AIMING With A Mouse, I use it and I admit it is OP especially with my viziam scr
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.07.11 15:37:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:NEW VIDEO - Bullet magnetism OLD AIM ASSIST VIDEOHello guys, Whether people want to believe it or not, aim assist exists. It's here to make you feel better about yourself. Does it need to go? Does it need to be toned down? You decide.
Haha! That should be the definition of OP right there.
Did you test to see if you can get the same effect with aim assist off? Is it the aim assist / bullet magnetism or is it the hit boxes are messed up real bad!?
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Grimmiers
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Posted - 2014.07.11 16:27:00 -
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You gotta do a similar comparison with aim assist off.
I'm done arguing against this though, I'll just wait for legion. |
hfderrtgvcd
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.11 16:33:00 -
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Grimmiers wrote:You gotta do a similar comparison with aim assist off.
This |
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