DUST Search - Railgun nerfed too much?

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:

THUNDERGROOVE wrote:

shaman oga wrote:

Just hit a heavy and he survived, it was a militia rail, but god damn, it's a f***** rail, heavies can't survive a direct hit.

Well this game is turning into another chapter of Dragon Ball.
What?

Dude, he's a heavy.
They're entitled to being able to take 2 direct shots from a railgun because they spent the same amount of SP as you and I.
They're entitled to being able to take 5 shotgun shells from a CRG because they have 1000 armor on their standard suit.
They're entitled to taking two full overheats of scrambler rifle before dying. Why? Because they're a freaking heavy. They deserve it. Their SP matters

Have you ever tried to hit a Forge heavy at about 200m with a railgun? It is barely possible for the tank to shoot the heavy, but the heavy can shoot the tank just fine from behind a rock or looking down over an edge.
Most of the time the tank can't even fire back because they are out of the angle of fire.
---Not to mention, they get WP for being a lethal annoyance, and the tanker gets nothing unless the heavy dies.

Killing in one hit is more than enough compensation for all those bonuses.

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shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2413	Posted - 2014.07.10 22:44:00 - [1] - Quote Just hit a heavy and he survived, it was a militia rail, but god damn, it's a f***** rail, heavies can't survive a direct hit. Well this game is turning into another chapter of Dragon Ball. PSN: ogamega I'm not a chef, i'm just a man who likes to cook.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1023	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:43:00 - [2] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Just hit a heavy and he survived, it was a militia rail, but god damn, it's a f*** rail, heavies can't survive a direct hit. Well this game is turning into another chapter of Dragon Ball. Dude, he's a heavy. They're entitled to being able to take 2 direct shots from a railgun because they spent the same amount of SP as you and I. They're entitled to being able to take 5 shotgun shells from a CRG because they have 1000 armor on their standard suit. They're entitled to taking two full overheats of scrambler rifle before dying. Why? Because they're a freaking heavy. They deserve it. Their SP matters** Amarrica! Destiny Beta SoonGäó
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 59	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:29:00 - [3] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: shaman oga wrote: Just hit a heavy and he survived, it was a militia rail, but god damn, it's a f***** rail, heavies can't survive a direct hit. Well this game is turning into another chapter of Dragon Ball. They're entitled to being able to take 5 shotgun shells from a CRG No heavy can survive five direct shots from a CRG. That is a flat out lie
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1127	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:58:00 - [4] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Just hit a heavy and he survived, it was a militia rail, but god damn, it's a f***** rail, heavies can't survive a direct hit. Well this game is turning into another chapter of Dragon Ball. Not nerfed too hard. Not even though one survived six (6 = SIX) direct hits by proto railgun. Of course they were not in a row but after he had chance to get repped full by hives, but still it shows that it weren't a gimmick or I did not just mistake splash damage as direct hit. not even after that, cause it must've been gallente sentinel with rail resistance. Yea it both amazed and annoyed me, sure. :-S
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1025	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:59:00 - [5] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: shaman oga wrote: Just hit a heavy and he survived, it was a militia rail, but god damn, it's a f***** rail, heavies can't survive a direct hit. Well this game is turning into another chapter of Dragon Ball. They're entitled to being able to take 5 shotgun shells from a CRG No heavy can survive five direct shots from a CRG. That is a flat out lie Protip: Half of all shotgun rounds miss regardless of range, accuracy and ping! Amarrica! Destiny Beta SoonGäó
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 867	Posted - 2014.07.11 01:52:00 - [6] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: shaman oga wrote: Just hit a heavy and he survived, it was a militia rail, but god damn, it's a f*** rail, heavies can't survive a direct hit. Well this game is turning into another chapter of Dragon Ball. Dude, he's a heavy. They're entitled to being able to take 2 direct shots from a railgun because they spent the same amount of SP as you and I. They're entitled to being able to take 5 shotgun shells from a CRG because they have 1000 armor on their standard suit. They're entitled to taking two full overheats of scrambler rifle before dying. Why? Because they're a freaking heavy. They deserve it. Their SP matters** Have you ever tried to hit a Forge heavy at about 200m with a railgun? It is barely possible for the tank to shoot the heavy, but the heavy can shoot the tank just fine from behind a rock or looking down over an edge. Most of the time the tank can't even fire back because they are out of the angle of fire. ---Not to mention, they get WP for being a lethal annoyance, and the tanker gets nothing unless the heavy dies. Killing in one hit is more than enough compensation for all those bonuses. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2417	Posted - 2014.07.11 07:34:00 - [7] - Quote I'm sorry, i've been naive, to expect that a big cannon is able to one shot an infantry soldier PSN: ogamega I'm not a chef, i'm just a man who likes to cook.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 31	Posted - 2014.07.11 07:37:00 - [8] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: shaman oga wrote: Just hit a heavy and he survived, it was a militia rail, but god damn, it's a f*** rail, heavies can't survive a direct hit. Well this game is turning into another chapter of Dragon Ball. Dude, he's a heavy. They're entitled to being able to take 2 direct shots from a railgun because they spent the same amount of SP as you and I. They're entitled to being able to take 5 shotgun shells from a CRG because they have 1000 armor on their standard suit. They're entitled to taking two full overheats of scrambler rifle before dying. Why? Because they're a freaking heavy. They deserve it. Their SP matters** Have you ever tried to hit a Forge heavy at about 200m with a railgun? It is barely possible for the tank to shoot the heavy, but the heavy can shoot the tank just fine from behind a rock or looking down over an edge. Most of the time the tank can't even fire back because they are out of the angle of fire. ---Not to mention, they get WP for being a lethal annoyance, and the tanker gets nothing unless the heavy dies. Killing in one hit is more than enough compensation for all those bonuses. The rail 1 shotting a big heavy was op, glad rail was nerfed.
Syeven Reed G0DS AM0NG MEN 756	Posted - 2014.07.11 08:04:00 - [9] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I'm sorry, i've been naive, to expect that a big cannon is able to one shot an infantry soldier I can't remember which suit, but doesn't one have resists? Twitter MajLagSpike CPM Application
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2417	Posted - 2014.07.11 08:12:00 - [10] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: shaman oga wrote: I'm sorry, i've been naive, to expect that a big cannon is able to one shot an infantry soldier I can't remember which suit, but doesn't one have resists? Gal heavy should have resistance to rail damage, but come one, even with my heavy alt, if a rail hit me it deserves to one shot me. PSN: ogamega I'm not a chef, i'm just a man who likes to cook.

Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 177	Posted - 2014.07.11 09:56:00 - [11] - Quote Lest talk. Heavies die by one shoot from my P. Cannon. Heavies can take max 4sg shoots. Lest talk about armor ones, they can take more. 1 shoot for shield, 2-3for armor (every shoot for armor is 450-470) . If you cant hit 4times in a row with 100% accuracy, find another gun to use. CreoDron works fine.
Doc DDD TeamPlayers 201	Posted - 2014.07.11 17:28:00 - [12] - Quote Damage is fine... Rails need range slightly buffed.
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 76	Posted - 2014.07.11 17:34:00 - [13] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: shaman oga wrote: Just hit a heavy and he survived, it was a militia rail, but god damn, it's a f***** rail, heavies can't survive a direct hit. Well this game is turning into another chapter of Dragon Ball. They're entitled to being able to take 5 shotgun shells from a CRG No heavy can survive five direct shots from a CRG. That is a flat out lie Protip: Half of all shotgun rounds miss regardless of range, accuracy and ping! Protip: I have a proto heavy and proto scout and regularly shotgun. I have never seen nor survived five shotgun hits (even militia) from a shotgunner in his optimal.
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 177	Posted - 2014.07.11 20:24:00 - [14] - Quote I'm a DS operator, so my perspective on mercs is always looking down on them from the air. Maybe this should cause me to have a certain disdain for infantry as secondary to my vehicle world---but it doesn't. For me, Dust 514 is about foot-play firstly, and vehicle-play secondarily or in a support role for the infantry. So I keep viewing the "weapons" in this game as animals of two differnt jungles. One jungle were the weapons are designed to the scale of personal suits and shielding.-- in that jungle it makes sense that a heavy's performance is geared to try to resist every kind of hand-held evil from grenade to multiple shotgun bucks. You're right if you say, it's a fatty or a heavy, and it's supposed to stand there and take multiple punishment of that kind. The other jungle is where the weeapons are designed to the scale of vehicles and emplacements -- in that jungle the Rail Turrets and Installations should have a power that is OUT OF SCALE with mere personal dropsuits. They are intended to penetrate HAVs and DS, and wear down even CRU-installations over time. It makes sense that NO personal dropsuit, not even a super-fitted heavy, should be able to still function after a solid bullseye from a Rail. Even if the heavy was clearly crippled and depleted of all armour by the hit... I'd still feel a little "unfairness" if I see her still walking. Nowhere in the game do we really get the impression that a dropsuit was INTENDED to protect against this scale of weaponry. SMALL rail turrets could be argued as being technology's attempt to miniaturize the vehicle-pounding power of the Rail, for easier more agile use against suit-mercs. So it KIND OF represents a "crossover" for rail power. Should IT be able to bury a heavy in one shot? ....I would LOVE it to (I'm sorry, let me wipe this DS driver drool from the corner of my mouth...), but no, I think it's probably fair that it take two shots (or three sometimes) to kill a fatty. It takes more than one shot for its Railgun bigger brothers to deplete the vehicles they were intended to specialize in... So yeah, the chunky fatty should still be able to hawk-n-spit back at me after the first shot... ,I guess the small rail turret ought to sacrifice a little potency when its designers try to step it down to a lightweight scale. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2461	Posted - 2014.07.11 21:11:00 - [15] - Quote I hit Roman with a pre-nerfed railgun and he survived O_O Tanker/Logi 0 The number of 7ucks given
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect Dark Taboo 468	Posted - 2014.07.11 23:25:00 - [16] - Quote Surviving a direct rail gun hit, fell and died.
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT CowTek IT Infotech 61	Posted - 2014.07.12 00:22:00 - [17] - Quote Yes, nerfed too much. Damage mods were the problem. The damage nerf + damage mod nerf + heat build up nerf is total over kill. Sledge hammer approach to "balance" strikes again.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4460	Posted - 2014.07.12 00:27:00 - [18] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: shaman oga wrote: Just hit a heavy and he survived, it was a militia rail, but god damn, it's a f*** rail, heavies can't survive a direct hit. Well this game is turning into another chapter of Dragon Ball. Dude, he's a heavy. They're entitled to being able to take 2 direct shots from a railgun because they spent the same amount of SP as you and I. They're entitled to being able to take 5 shotgun shells from a CRG because they have 1000 armor on their standard suit. They're entitled to taking two full overheats of scrambler rifle before dying. Why? Because they're a freaking heavy. They deserve it. Their SP matters** We're entitled to survive certain attacks because we cant avoid them with any consistency. You can.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 191	Posted - 2014.07.12 00:59:00 - [19] - Quote You don't want balance. You just want to rail everyone to death with way to much power from 100 meters?! Go quickscope in COD you simpleton. "Anybody order chaos?"
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1032	Posted - 2014.07.12 01:47:00 - [20] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We're entitled to survive certain attacks because we cant avoid them with any consistency. Everyone else can. Thats part of the tradeoff. That's hardly a valid argument considering how good armor repair modules/repair tools are and that shared scans exist. Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If you want perfectly equal treatment then you can petition Rattati to take away your equipment slots, cripple your scan precision so youre blind, decrease your movement speed and triple your hitbox size. I would be happy to consider a nerf to our hp then. STD sentinel suits shouldn't break 650 of their main HP type with all plates/extenders yet they seem to have no problem spawning in with 1000 armor with spawn invincibility (That one thing I never seem to get!). Amarrica! Destiny Beta SoonGäó

Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 388	Posted - 2014.07.12 03:07:00 - [21] - Quote maybe if you used a std railgun. and ACTUALLY INVESTED SP INTO TANKING *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2439	Posted - 2014.07.12 07:55:00 - [22] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We're entitled to survive certain attacks because we cant avoid them with any consistency. Everyone else can. Thats part of the tradeoff. BS Railgun direct hit should one shot every infantry player, no matter what, me too. Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: maybe if you used a std railgun. and ACTUALLY INVESTED SP INTO TANKING It's a damn direct hit, no infantry is supposed to survive. I don't want realism, but at least some kind of logic, if a cannon bigger than a man shoot a man, the f***ing man dies. PSN: ogamega Not enough FOTM.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3848	Posted - 2014.07.12 11:05:00 - [23] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: shaman oga wrote: Just hit a heavy and he survived, it was a militia rail, but god damn, it's a f***** rail, heavies can't survive a direct hit. Well this game is turning into another chapter of Dragon Ball. Not nerfed too hard. Not even though one survived six (6 = SIX) direct hits by proto railgun. Of course they were not in a row but after he had chance to get repped full by hives, but still it shows that it weren't a gimmick or I did not just mistake splash damage as direct hit. not even after that, cause it must've been gallente sentinel with rail resistance. Yea it both amazed and annoyed me, sure. Sentinels can now finally stand toe to toe with tanks as stated in its description. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag before adding milk!.
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 425	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:28:00 - [24] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Just hit a heavy and he survived, it was a militia rail, but god damn, it's a f***** rail, heavies can't survive a direct hit. Well this game is turning into another chapter of Dragon Ball. I have always had a sentinel capable of tanking an MLT rail, since heavies had 1200 base. It's not new, and it comes at the cost of movement. I only ever used that fit to troll Sicas by fighting them in the street; it was rare enough they'd hit me once, but in case they did they'd have to do it again. My IAFG meant they wouldn't get the chance. It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10852	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:47:00 - [25] - Quote Hey well, the description on heavies pretty much says they are designed to go toe to toe with enemy armor and live to tell the tale. That doesn't really work when a railgun 1shot pops them Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4462	Posted - 2014.07.12 20:54:00 - [26] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: We're entitled to survive certain attacks because we cant avoid them with any consistency. Everyone else can. Thats part of the tradeoff. That's hardly a valid argument considering how good armor repair modules/repair tools are and that shared scans exist. Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If you want perfectly equal treatment then you can petition Rattati to take away your equipment slots, cripple your scan precision so youre blind, decrease your movement speed and triple your hitbox size. I would be happy to consider a nerf to our hp then. STD sentinel suits shouldn't break 650 of their main HP type with all plates/extenders yet they seem to have no problem spawning in with 1000 armor with spawn invincibility (That one thing I never seem to get!). Self repair mods are trash against burst dps. Remote rep tools are built for use with heavies and require team work. You are not complaining about a single suit at this point, you are complaining that you cannot overcome teamwork with ease. If the heavy is killing everyone by himself then it stands to reason that everyone else is trash. This happens often.


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