DUST Search - Its hard to be a scoult?

Crimson ShieId wrote:

Sasseros wrote:

Crimson ShieId wrote:

You call 270 shields and 87 armor good? Straight

Oh, wait! 308 shielding and 87 armor! Definitely OP! Nerf please. I've even got an 11+ movement speed with that one!

Well i saw some scoults with good hp, i dont know that not all scoults stacks some hp =P

but still, is it easy? even with crap hp?

So... this is a serious post? I'm still not quite certain... XD

Either way, I'll try and answer that...

Simply put, it's different. Yes, you can have high HP, how that works out, I wouldn't really know on a scout. I can only speak for the Minmatar. If you know what you're doing, if you know how to avoid direct confrontations, know how to flank, when to and when not to engage and how to use all tools at your disposal, then... no, it's not "hard" so to speak, but it does require more thought than some of the other play styles. Most of the other suits have HP to back them up if you make a mistake, but they have less options, slower speed, etc. Scouts don't have that HP, making a mistake is usually an instant death. On the other hand though, if you build your suit right, you can more easily avoid those mistakes. Speed, shield recharge rate, and radar capabilities can make up for what the suit lacks, plus the ability to cloak as well, but it still comes at the price of HP. Is it easy? No, even once you get the hang of it, is it seriously hard... I'm not quite certain if its' the most difficult roll, but it's no cake walk. Scouting has actually gotten more difficult since 1.8 dropped, what with all the Caldari and Gallente scouts running around.

Once again, this is all from a pure Min scout, so take it as you will. I can't speak for the other suits nor will I try. If you're looking to get into the scout role and want at least a partial challenge from it, go Minmatar or Amarr, but if you're looking for the easy route, I'd say Caldari would be your best choice. *Shrugs* But hey, I'm biased, so... Roll

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Sasseros 10	Posted - 2014.07.08 22:58:00 - [1] - Quote Hi there! So I'm wondering, is it difficult to be a SpeedRunner which do not appear on radar, is semi-invisible and have a good hp ? Its seems easy for me, I used the shotgun on my logi for test, if you hit the first shot the aim-assist make sure you will hit the second shot. Sooooo...it is or not? =P Please stay still, my aim suck even with the reppTool =P
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 640	Posted - 2014.07.08 23:09:00 - [2] - Quote You call 270 shields and 87 armor good? Oh, wait! 308 shielding and 87 armor! Definitely OP! Nerf please. I've even got an 11+ movement speed with that one! Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10309	Posted - 2014.07.08 23:13:00 - [3] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: You call 270 shields and 87 armor good? Oh, wait! 308 shielding and 87 armor! Definitely OP! Nerf please. I've even got an 11+ movement speed with that one! My MLT LIght Frames can do better.than 395 eHP. Your clearly slacking. @OP No, not for the most part. Run a Range Amplifier, and get a Complex Profile Dampener and you'll never be caught by surprise by anything other than another Scout. Since you can see them coming from a good distance away, you should use a rifle instead of a Shotgun. You'll have much more success that way. Though if you absolutely need the alpha, use Nova Knives or fill your 2nd equipment slot with an F/45 instead. Long Live The Anime Empire "You know what? You really, REALLY, like to dampen the mood" - Lea Silencio -HAND
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 640	Posted - 2014.07.08 23:15:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: You call 270 shields and 87 armor good? Oh, wait! 308 shielding and 87 armor! Definitely OP! Nerf please. I've even got an 11+ movement speed with that one! My MLT LIght Frames can do better.than 395 eHP Your clearly slacking. Yea, but do your militia frames have wall hackz?! I bet they don't! Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3496	Posted - 2014.07.08 23:17:00 - [5] - Quote Hard to be a scout? Seriously? Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Sasseros 10	Posted - 2014.07.08 23:19:00 - [6] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: You call 270 shields and 87 armor good? Oh, wait! 308 shielding and 87 armor! Definitely OP! Nerf please. I've even got an 11+ movement speed with that one! Well i saw some scoults with good hp, i dont know that not all scoults stacks some hp =P but still, is it easy? even with crap hp? Please stay still, my aim suck even with the reppTool =P
Sasseros 10	Posted - 2014.07.08 23:30:00 - [7] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Definitely OP! Nerf please. Hey, its not QQ, just curiosity Please stay still, my aim suck even with the reppTool =P
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2897	Posted - 2014.07.08 23:32:00 - [8] - Quote It's a lot easier for me to run this fit: Scout g/1Series Complex Dmg Mods x2 Complex Dampeners x2 Basic Cpu Upgrade ZN-28 NKs SMG REs Ishukone Cloak Than it is for me to run any medium frame and even a Heavy. My suit has no tank, but it does well at killing, running away, and hiding.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 643	Posted - 2014.07.08 23:39:00 - [9] - Quote Sasseros wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: You call 270 shields and 87 armor good? Oh, wait! 308 shielding and 87 armor! Definitely OP! Nerf please. I've even got an 11+ movement speed with that one! Well i saw some scoults with good hp, i dont know that not all scoults stacks some hp =P but still, is it easy? even with crap hp? So... this is a serious post? I'm still not quite certain... XD Either way, I'll try and answer that... Simply put, it's different. Yes, you can have high HP, how that works out, I wouldn't really know on a scout. I can only speak for the Minmatar. If you know what you're doing, if you know how to avoid direct confrontations, know how to flank, when to and when not to engage and how to use all tools at your disposal, then... no, it's not "hard" so to speak, but it does require more thought than some of the other play styles. Most of the other suits have HP to back them up if you make a mistake, but they have less options, slower speed, etc. Scouts don't have that HP, making a mistake is usually an instant death. On the other hand though, if you build your suit right, you can more easily avoid those mistakes. Speed, shield recharge rate, and radar capabilities can make up for what the suit lacks, plus the ability to cloak as well, but it still comes at the price of HP. Is it easy? No, even once you get the hang of it, is it seriously hard... I'm not quite certain if its' the most difficult roll, but it's no cake walk. Scouting has actually gotten more difficult since 1.8 dropped, what with all the Caldari and Gallente scouts running around. Once again, this is all from a pure Min scout, so take it as you will. I can't speak for the other suits nor will I try. If you're looking to get into the scout role and want at least a partial challenge from it, go Minmatar or Amarr, but if you're looking for the easy route, I'd say Caldari would be your best choice. Shrugs But hey, I'm biased, so... Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5601	Posted - 2014.07.08 23:39:00 - [10] - Quote The thing with scouts is that they're far from the easiest suits to use in the game (I give that to sentinels) However, they're extremely rewarding to anyone with brain-cells, which is why they're viewed as a whole as overpowered. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè

Sasseros 11	Posted - 2014.07.08 23:57:00 - [11] - Quote Thanks for the replies people So scoult is for people who put brains over SHOT THAT RED DOT!!! Thats explains the cloak scoults runing in the middle of a gunfire or open spaces thinking that no one will see then...until someone kill then =P I dont want to use a scoult, hell i make tons of mistakes XD I make the thread because its was starting to look so cheap for me, but now i think its looks more like its is over used. I will try sometime using scout, minmatar of course, really like how they look. Please stay still, my aim suck even with the reppTool =P
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2566	Posted - 2014.07.09 03:08:00 - [12] - Quote Sasseros wrote: So scoult is for people who put brains over SHOT THAT RED DOT!!! In times past ... absolutely. In the future ... we hope. At present ... not so much. If you're looking for a challenge, look into Knives. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
aaaasdff ertgfdd Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 66	Posted - 2014.07.09 03:21:00 - [13] - Quote Sasseros wrote: Hi there! So I'm wondering, is it difficult to be a SpeedRunner which do not appear on radar, is semi-invisible and have a good hp ? Its seems easy for me, I used the shotgun on my logi for test, if you hit the first shot the aim-assist make sure you will hit the second shot. Sooooo...it is or not? =P HP is not the end all be all to a scout suit.
aaaasdff ertgfdd Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 66	Posted - 2014.07.09 03:24:00 - [14] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Sasseros wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: You call 270 shields and 87 armor good? Oh, wait! 308 shielding and 87 armor! Definitely OP! Nerf please. I've even got an 11+ movement speed with that one! Well i saw some scoults with good hp, i dont know that not all scoults stacks some hp =P but still, is it easy? even with crap hp? So... this is a serious post? I'm still not quite certain... XD Either way, I'll try and answer that... Simply put, it's different. Yes, you can have high HP, how that works out, I wouldn't really know on a scout. I can only speak for the Minmatar. If you know what you're doing, if you know how to avoid direct confrontations, know how to flank, when to and when not to engage and how to use all tools at your disposal, then... no, it's not "hard" so to speak, but it does require more thought than some of the other play styles. Most of the other suits have HP to back them up if you make a mistake, but they have less options, slower speed, etc. Scouts don't have that HP, making a mistake is usually an instant death. On the other hand though, if you build your suit right, you can more easily avoid those mistakes. Speed, shield recharge rate, and radar capabilities can make up for what the suit lacks, plus the ability to cloak as well, but it still comes at the price of HP. Is it easy? No, even once you get the hang of it, is it seriously hard... I'm not quite certain if its' the most difficult roll, but it's no cake walk. Scouting has actually gotten more difficult since 1.8 dropped, what with all the Caldari and Gallente scouts running around. Once again, this is all from a pure Min scout, so take it as you will. I can't speak for the other suits nor will I try. If you're looking to get into the scout role and want at least a partial challenge from it, go Minmatar or Amarr, but if you're looking for the easy route, I'd say Caldari would be your best choice. Shrugs But hey, I'm biased, so... I say Gal is the best scout suit. I have them both protoed out.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4057	Posted - 2014.07.09 04:02:00 - [15] - Quote You use aim assist? Smell the burning flesh. Taste the tangy sulfur air. Volcano Season - Moltar's Haiku : SGC2C
ratamaq doc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 689	Posted - 2014.07.09 04:11:00 - [16] - Quote Playing scouts is like CoD mode with an SR-71 or intel Sat in the Air all the time. You are fast, deal high alpha, see everyone on the map (except the cold blooded) and die if you're shot more than once. YouTube
Lylith Groff Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 19	Posted - 2014.07.09 14:44:00 - [17] - Quote Sasseros wrote: Hi there! So I'm wondering, is it difficult to be a SpeedRunner which do not appear on radar, is semi-invisible and have a good hp ? Its seems easy for me, I used the shotgun on my logi for test, if you hit the first shot the aim-assist make sure you will hit the second shot. Sooooo...it is or not? =P If I remember correctly, aim assist does not work on the shotgun... Every reality is not but a dream... and every dreamer, a god unknowing. c[_].
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 468	Posted - 2014.07.09 16:42:00 - [18] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: You call 270 shields and 87 armor good? Oh, wait! 308 shielding and 87 armor! Definitely OP! Nerf please. I've even got an 11+ movement speed with that one! what's your light and secondary weps? equipment? grenades? "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do that.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 468	Posted - 2014.07.09 16:51:00 - [19] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Sasseros wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: You call 270 shields and 87 armor good? Oh, wait! 308 shielding and 87 armor! Definitely OP! Nerf please. I've even got an 11+ movement speed with that one! Well i saw some scoults with good hp, i dont know that not all scoults stacks some hp =P but still, is it easy? even with crap hp? So... this is a serious post? I'm still not quite certain... XD Either way, I'll try and answer that... Simply put, it's different. Yes, you can have high HP, how that works out, I wouldn't really know on a scout. I can only speak for the Minmatar. If you know what you're doing, if you know how to avoid direct confrontations, know how to flank, when to and when not to engage and how to use all tools at your disposal, then... no, it's not "hard" so to speak, but it does require more thought than some of the other play styles. Most of the other suits have HP to back them up if you make a mistake, but they have less options, slower speed, etc. Scouts don't have that HP, making a mistake is usually an instant death. On the other hand though, if you build your suit right, you can more easily avoid those mistakes. Speed, shield recharge rate, and radar capabilities can make up for what the suit lacks, plus the ability to cloak as well, but it still comes at the price of HP. Is it easy? No, even once you get the hang of it, is it seriously hard... I'm not quite certain if its' the most difficult roll, but it's no cake walk. Scouting has actually gotten more difficult since 1.8 dropped, what with all the Caldari and Gallente scouts running around. Once again, this is all from a pure Min scout, so take it as you will. I can't speak for the other suits nor will I try. If you're looking to get into the scout role and want at least a partial challenge from it, go Minmatar or Amarr, but if you're looking for the easy route, I'd say Caldari would be your best choice. Shrugs But hey, I'm biased, so... I agree with Crimson, Min/Amarr Scouts are the harder versions of scout playstyle, but the one of the few cool things about these scouts is stamina regen and speed (at least speed for min). Running 11.12m/s is really awesome, the only problem is that you have Gal scouts who can also run 11.11 (pretty negligible compared to 11.12) and they get more eHP than Min scouts, AND lower base profile from passive dampening. With the Min scouts you do get NK, but again, speed and stealth are destroyed when you're seen by Cal scouts, who basically give their entire team your location through shared vision. So you end up having to play even smarter with the Min scout, but I kind of like it. For me it's gotten to the point where I die less then 5 times and almost always have over 20 kills per match. Granted I only run Speed Tanked suits, so I basically run over 250 shields (but have crap armor unless I'm on gal scout) and run over 10.7 m/s all the time. But Scouts are slightly flexible so choose your pick, but the important thing is to have fun while on the scout. I've found myself getting frustrated enough times, but you have a lot of fun doing it. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do that.
RendonaSix Inner.Hell 95	Posted - 2014.07.09 17:00:00 - [20] - Quote Gallente and caldari is just free kill mode. You just wait for people to look the other way and you get free kills. Minmatar and amarr scouts are hard mode. Any scout brick tanked is easy to use though. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2591	Posted - 2014.07.09 17:13:00 - [21] - Quote Lylith Groff wrote: Sasseros wrote: Hi there! So I'm wondering, is it difficult to be a SpeedRunner which do not appear on radar, is semi-invisible and have a good hp ? Its seems easy for me, I used the shotgun on my logi for test, if you hit the first shot the aim-assist make sure you will hit the second shot. Sooooo...it is or not? =P If I remember correctly, aim assist does not work on the shotgun... Aim Assist does actually affect the shotgun. Its Hit Detection that does not work. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 646	Posted - 2014.07.09 19:39:00 - [22] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: You call 270 shields and 87 armor good? Oh, wait! 308 shielding and 87 armor! Definitely OP! Nerf please. I've even got an 11+ movement speed with that one! what's your light and secondary weps? equipment? grenades? The first fit is set up for scanning, 2 complex extenders, precision enhancer, 2 range amps and a profile dampener. Advanced ACR, Proto Nova Knives, F-45 RE's, Ishukone Cloak Field, basic flux grenades. The second fit is the speed tank, three complex kincats, two enhanced extenders, one complex, combat rifle, Ishukone Nova Knives. No cloak or anything else ((PG is maxed out >.< )) I don't usually play around with these fits at all, though they are my two favorites. Most of my scouts actually do have quite a bit more health, but I don't use them as often unless I want to screw around. I've been thinking about swapping out one of the range amps for a complex reactive plate on the first fit and getting rid of a shield extender in order to pop on another precision enhancer ((Getting tired of Gallente scouts with no dampeners fitted getting past my scans just because they're cloaked)) Nova Knives are best sidearm.


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