DUST Search - Is shotgun operation useless?

hfderrtgvcd wrote:

Appia Vibbia wrote:

Bormir1r wrote:

hfderrtgvcd wrote:

People have been saying that shotgun operation makes the weapon worse or is waste of sp, but since I took it to 3 I've been killing people at longer ranges and in fewer shots. Is it worth it getting shotgun operation to five if I have no intention of getting proficiency?

I actually don't understand why people want more spread, it really doesn't make sense; more spread means less bullets will hit the target and thus less damage per shot. IMO I think the shotgun operation is good, but proficiency should be for armor, not shield damage. It is still good to get proficiency though.

Getting the skill past 3 is useless. The difference in damage between the PRO and ADV in their ability to kill someone is the ISK it cost. there's no noticeable difference in them other than perception bias of using PRO weapon with other PRO gear.

Proficiency as-is does not change the number of shots it takes to blast through shield and is basically as useless as taking Dropsuit upgrades to lvl 5

But what people are talking about is the difference in opinion between tighter and wider spread. Good players want a tight spread, bad ones want a wider spread. That's the division on the issue.

Is getting the skill to five just for the passive bonus worth it though?

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hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2014.07.08 17:10:00 - [1] - Quote People have been saying that shotgun operation makes the weapon worse or is waste of sp, but since I took it to 3 I've been killing people at longer ranges and in fewer shots. Is it worth it getting shotgun operation to five if I have no intention of getting proficiency?
waistr DEAD-MEN-WALKING 199	Posted - 2014.07.08 17:27:00 - [2] - Quote I can talk about making it worse?? (don't believe everything you read here.... we lie... a lot) but level 3 is plenty good, id use my skill points elsewhere.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15256	Posted - 2014.07.08 17:32:00 - [3] - Quote It doesn't really have much of an effect. That's all. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3510	Posted - 2014.07.08 18:18:00 - [4] - Quote It was needed to get to prof, but they changed the prof skill from RoF to dmg. So I would say no, not worth it unless you want higher tier SGs. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 456	Posted - 2014.07.08 18:20:00 - [5] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: People have been saying that shotgun operation makes the weapon worse or is waste of sp, but since I took it to 3 I've been killing people at longer ranges and in fewer shots. Is it worth it getting shotgun operation to five if I have no intention of getting proficiency? I actually don't understand why people want more spread, it really doesn't make sense; more spread means less bullets will hit the target and thus less damage per shot. IMO I think the shotgun operation is good, but proficiency should be for armor, not shield damage. It is still good to get proficiency though. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do that.
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 322	Posted - 2014.07.08 22:03:00 - [6] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: People have been saying that shotgun operation makes the weapon worse or is waste of sp, but since I took it to 3 I've been killing people at longer ranges and in fewer shots. Is it worth it getting shotgun operation to five if I have no intention of getting proficiency? I have not seen difference while using shotgun between level 3 and proficiency level 2. Militia guys were always 1 shotted, same as some Scouts. Logistic required 2 shots, Heavy 3. It change a little bit on proficiency level 3 and you are able to kill some heavy with 2 shot's.. Nosum Hseebnrido
Lylith Groff Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 19	Posted - 2014.07.09 14:59:00 - [7] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: People have been saying that shotgun operation makes the weapon worse or is waste of sp, but since I took it to 3 I've been killing people at longer ranges and in fewer shots. Is it worth it getting shotgun operation to five if I have no intention of getting proficiency? The issue is, the skill reduced the spread and the cross hairs never changed in size. This makes the shotgun's hit detection issues, which it does have, seem worse then they are. Every reality is not but a dream... and every dreamer, a god unknowing. c[_].
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 268	Posted - 2014.07.09 15:06:00 - [8] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: People have been saying that shotgun operation makes the weapon worse or is waste of sp, but since I took it to 3 I've been killing people at longer ranges and in fewer shots. Is it worth it getting shotgun operation to five if I have no intention of getting proficiency? I actually don't understand why people want more spread, it really doesn't make sense; more spread means less bullets will hit the target and thus less damage per shot. IMO I think the shotgun operation is good, but proficiency should be for armor, not shield damage. It is still good to get proficiency though. It would be nice if shotgun prof was for armor. As a high alpha weapon it should really have a bonus against the tank type that can be stacked higher. It's my understanding that it is a Gal hybrid weapon, so really a bonus against either makes sense, but a bonus against armor would allow it to perform better in its niche. -Aramis
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4219	Posted - 2014.07.09 15:10:00 - [9] - Quote I've been feeling SGs from much farther away the last few weeks. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3468	Posted - 2014.07.09 15:26:00 - [10] - Quote The smaller the spread, the more pellets hit the target, more hits= more damage. I got proto shotguns and they excellent how they perform and are the bane of every heavy. 2-3 shots and allmost everything falls over dead.

Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 2135	Posted - 2014.07.09 15:45:00 - [11] - Quote proficiency 5 then run the mlt variant. tis where its at Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 4115	Posted - 2014.07.09 15:57:00 - [12] - Quote Lylith Groff wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: People have been saying that shotgun operation makes the weapon worse or is waste of sp, but since I took it to 3 I've been killing people at longer ranges and in fewer shots. Is it worth it getting shotgun operation to five if I have no intention of getting proficiency? The issue is, the skill reduced the spread and the cross hairs never changed in size. This makes the shotgun's hit detection issues, which it does have, seem worse then they are. Strictly speaking the shotgun is fine, in the sense that its hit detection is as bad as every other gun in the game. It's just most obvious with an SG. CCP Rattati ily! AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3190	Posted - 2014.07.09 15:57:00 - [13] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: People have been saying that shotgun operation makes the weapon worse or is waste of sp, but since I took it to 3 I've been killing people at longer ranges and in fewer shots. Is it worth it getting shotgun operation to five if I have no intention of getting proficiency? I actually don't understand why people want more spread, it really doesn't make sense; more spread means less bullets will hit the target and thus less damage per shot. IMO I think the shotgun operation is good, but proficiency should be for armor, not shield damage. It is still good to get proficiency though. Getting the skill past 3 is useless. The difference in damage between the PRO and ADV in their ability to kill someone is the ISK it cost. there's no noticeable difference in them other than perception bias of using PRO weapon with other PRO gear. Proficiency as-is does not change the number of shots it takes to blast through shield and is basically as useless as taking Dropsuit upgrades to lvl 5 But what people are talking about is the difference in opinion between tighter and wider spread. Good players want a tight spread, bad ones want a wider spread. That's the division on the issue. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 Empress of Alts
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2014.07.09 16:15:00 - [14] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Bormir1r wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: People have been saying that shotgun operation makes the weapon worse or is waste of sp, but since I took it to 3 I've been killing people at longer ranges and in fewer shots. Is it worth it getting shotgun operation to five if I have no intention of getting proficiency? I actually don't understand why people want more spread, it really doesn't make sense; more spread means less bullets will hit the target and thus less damage per shot. IMO I think the shotgun operation is good, but proficiency should be for armor, not shield damage. It is still good to get proficiency though. Getting the skill past 3 is useless. The difference in damage between the PRO and ADV in their ability to kill someone is the ISK it cost. there's no noticeable difference in them other than perception bias of using PRO weapon with other PRO gear. Proficiency as-is does not change the number of shots it takes to blast through shield and is basically as useless as taking Dropsuit upgrades to lvl 5 But what people are talking about is the difference in opinion between tighter and wider spread. Good players want a tight spread, bad ones want a wider spread. That's the division on the issue. Is getting the skill to five just for the passive bonus worth it though?
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 468	Posted - 2014.07.09 16:39:00 - [15] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: Bormir1r wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: People have been saying that shotgun operation makes the weapon worse or is waste of sp, but since I took it to 3 I've been killing people at longer ranges and in fewer shots. Is it worth it getting shotgun operation to five if I have no intention of getting proficiency? I actually don't understand why people want more spread, it really doesn't make sense; more spread means less bullets will hit the target and thus less damage per shot. IMO I think the shotgun operation is good, but proficiency should be for armor, not shield damage. It is still good to get proficiency though. Getting the skill past 3 is useless. The difference in damage between the PRO and ADV in their ability to kill someone is the ISK it cost. there's no noticeable difference in them other than perception bias of using PRO weapon with other PRO gear. Proficiency as-is does not change the number of shots it takes to blast through shield and is basically as useless as taking Dropsuit upgrades to lvl 5 But what people are talking about is the difference in opinion between tighter and wider spread. Good players want a tight spread, bad ones want a wider spread. That's the division on the issue. Is getting the skill to five just for the passive bonus worth it though? For tighter spread yes. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do that.
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3757	Posted - 2014.10.06 20:44:00 - [16] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Appia Vibbia wrote: Bormir1r wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: People have been saying that shotgun operation makes the weapon worse or is waste of sp, but since I took it to 3 I've been killing people at longer ranges and in fewer shots. Is it worth it getting shotgun operation to five if I have no intention of getting proficiency? I actually don't understand why people want more spread, it really doesn't make sense; more spread means less bullets will hit the target and thus less damage per shot. IMO I think the shotgun operation is good, but proficiency should be for armor, not shield damage. It is still good to get proficiency though. Getting the skill past 3 is useless. The difference in damage between the PRO and ADV in their ability to kill someone is the ISK it cost. there's no noticeable difference in them other than perception bias of using PRO weapon with other PRO gear. Proficiency as-is does not change the number of shots it takes to blast through shield and is basically as useless as taking Dropsuit upgrades to lvl 5 But what people are talking about is the difference in opinion between tighter and wider spread. Good players want a tight spread, bad ones want a wider spread. That's the division on the issue. Is getting the skill to five just for the passive bonus worth it though? No, unless you're getting proficiency, and even then...
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 537	Posted - 2014.10.06 21:09:00 - [17] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: People have been saying that shotgun operation makes the weapon worse or is waste of sp, but since I took it to 3 I've been killing people at longer ranges and in fewer shots. Is it worth it getting shotgun operation to five if I have no intention of getting proficiency? Well my opinion seems to run counter to most here but my experience is this: I like to run scout quite a bit and took SG to 5 and prof to 4. No regrets. My reasoning was I wanted to be able to take down most heavies with 2 shots whenever possible. When attacking a heavy from behind as a low HP scout you can get off two shots before he turns around. 3 or more and your odds begin dropping. With a proto SG and 4 prof you will be surprised at the range. 10 -15m and it is still deadly. But the damage increase is not as noticeable against scouts or assaults bc 900HP or less is two shots regardless but against Commandos and Fat you will appreciate it. Edit: wow old thread. I thought Redberry got banned? Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 383	Posted - 2014.10.06 21:23:00 - [18] - Quote Its not a waste of SP. The pellet spread gets tighter with each lvl and the tighter it is the more damage you achieve with well placed shots. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
hfderrtgvcd 663	Posted - 2014.10.06 21:25:00 - [19] - Quote guys look at the date of the first post. I've long since gotten prof 3 You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 147	Posted - 2014.10.06 21:34:00 - [20] - Quote Hell matee boyos this is somekind of necromacy "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."

Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 538	Posted - 2014.10.06 21:44:00 - [21] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: guys look at the date of the first post. I've long since gotten prof 3 I blame Joel. OK, well, since in the original you wondered about op5 and no prof, what changed your mind and are you glad you took it to prof 3 as per my wonderful advice? Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5522	Posted - 2014.10.06 21:52:00 - [22] - Quote o/ Hodor Noticeable difference between Op III and IV. If you like the tightened spread, go with it. Proficiency, in my opinion, is not a good investment beyond II or III. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1676	Posted - 2014.10.06 22:26:00 - [23] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: People have been saying that shotgun operation makes the weapon worse or is waste of sp, but since I took it to 3 I've been killing people at longer ranges and in fewer shots. Is it worth it getting shotgun operation to five if I have no intention of getting proficiency? I actually don't understand why people want more spread, it really doesn't make sense; more spread means less bullets will hit the target and thus less damage per shot. IMO I think the shotgun operation is good, but proficiency should be for armor, not shield damage. It is still good to get proficiency though. its because people have bad aim. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game RUST415 498	Posted - 2014.10.06 22:29:00 - [24] - Quote Militia shotgun is too good, even with less round (who the hell needs 6 shots to down anything anyway? lol) very cost effective and can go head to head with proto suits. So it's a waste, but it doesn't get worse (who the hell told you that?)
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1041	Posted - 2014.10.07 00:38:00 - [25] - Quote I want to get the k5 or th creodron for my gal scout but im at lvl 3 is it worth it Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(


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