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Thokk Nightshade wrote:

Schecter 666 wrote:

Onesimus Tarsus wrote:

So then the next most lethal weapon will be the reason why there's no fun to be had. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!

but at the moment i don't really have any problems with any other guns, i use Viziam prof 5 with 2 complex damage mods, most things don't survive against that.

the HMG doesn't give you the slightest chance
at retaliation and are spammed relentlessly in CQC preventing some domination games to be over before they had even started. If you're always within their optimum range trying to push into an objective then you never have the advantage over them and get shredded.

That is exactly the point of an HMG! They are for point defense. They should have the highest DPS in the game inside 20 Meters. Get two or three people and attack from separate angles. A Heavy doesn't have time to respond to people in different locations attacking. I get smashed on a regular basis when people use tactics in the exact situation you are describing. If there is only 1 point of entry, use grenades/RE's etc. and don't try to solo a Sentinel running a scout/assault suit in CQC situations.

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Schecter 666 Minmatar Republic 88	Posted - 2014.07.01 22:19:00 - [1] - Quote 1. Nerf the HMGs damage 2. Nerf the HMGs rate of fire Hey presto I guarantee people will start to have a lot more fun since they won't be constantly slayed by heavy spam in every game.
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2210	Posted - 2014.07.01 22:25:00 - [2] - Quote So then the next most lethal weapon will be the reason why there's no fun to be had. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera! K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Seriously. Think about it.
SAIRAX SIS Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 89	Posted - 2014.07.01 22:25:00 - [3] - Quote Correct yoroshiku ne !pÇÇpÇÇCute Cat NyaoooonpÇÇGÖ¬
Schecter 666 Minmatar Republic 88	Posted - 2014.07.01 22:33:00 - [4] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: So then the next most lethal weapon will be the reason why there's no fun to be had. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera! but at the moment i don't really have any problems with any other guns, i use Viziam prof 5 with 2 complex damage mods, most things don't survive against that. the HMG doesn't give you the slightest chance at retaliation and are spammed relentlessly in CQC preventing some domination games to be over before they had even started. If you're always within their optimum range trying to push into an objective then you never have the advantage over them and get shredded.
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 433	Posted - 2014.07.01 22:38:00 - [5] - Quote Schecter 666 wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: So then the next most lethal weapon will be the reason why there's no fun to be had. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera! but at the moment i don't really have any problems with any other guns, i use Viziam prof 5 with 2 complex damage mods, most things don't survive against that. the HMG doesn't give you the slightest chance at retaliation and are spammed relentlessly in CQC preventing some domination games to be over before they had even started. If you're always within their optimum range trying to push into an objective then you never have the advantage over them and get shredded. That is exactly the point of an HMG! They are for point defense. They should have the highest DPS in the game inside 20 Meters. Get two or three people and attack from separate angles. A Heavy doesn't have time to respond to people in different locations attacking. I get smashed on a regular basis when people use tactics in the exact situation you are describing. If there is only 1 point of entry, use grenades/RE's etc. and don't try to solo a Sentinel running a scout/assault suit in CQC situations. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Schecter 666 Minmatar Republic 89	Posted - 2014.07.01 23:06:00 - [6] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Schecter 666 wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: So then the next most lethal weapon will be the reason why there's no fun to be had. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera! but at the moment i don't really have any problems with any other guns, i use Viziam prof 5 with 2 complex damage mods, most things don't survive against that. the HMG doesn't give you the slightest chance at retaliation and are spammed relentlessly in CQC preventing some domination games to be over before they had even started. If you're always within their optimum range trying to push into an objective then you never have the advantage over them and get shredded. That is exactly the point of an HMG! They are for point defense. They should have the highest DPS in the game inside 20 Meters. Get two or three people and attack from separate angles. A Heavy doesn't have time to respond to people in different locations attacking. I get smashed on a regular basis when people use tactics in the exact situation you are describing. If there is only 1 point of entry, use grenades/RE's etc. and don't try to solo a Sentinel running a scout/assault suit in CQC situations. it's not so much my tactics per se, it's the entire team's inability to push through and being dominated by what's basically, a brick wall in the way, it's like a dead-end whilst driving your car. your mates can't get signal on their phones to find an alternative route and you're sat there frustrated. You have power, but you need help. The distraction/double team technique does work magically, as you say, but right now objectives are becoming inaccessible and games very one-sided due to optimum range from the HMG and not being able to penetrate the objective. One merc can only do so much. Me + randoms VS 6 or more heavies does not make for a fun game. If I could actually engage in longer firefights with them then I feel it would be much more fair. They just drop you too fast regardless, domination however is where I find the issue most prevalent.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11457	Posted - 2014.07.01 23:06:00 - [7] - Quote Schecter 666 wrote: 1. Nerf the HMGs damage 2. Nerf the HMGs rate of fire Hey presto I guarantee people will start to have a lot more fun since they won't be constantly slayed by heavy spam in every game. And you cripple the Sentinel's class and force them to be a purely AV suit...... nah bro. Heavy's be fine. " We need to reclaim their fates and envelop them in ours. And we need to love them, no matter how much it hurts."
Schecter 666 Minmatar Republic 89	Posted - 2014.07.01 23:08:00 - [8] - Quote My problem is being FORCED into CQC with an HMG when trying to get into most objectives; that's where I see the issue of the HMG TTK at its' height. If you can't fight outside its' optimum range you will get destroyed, especially when facing multiple heavies with a useless squad. I think Domination in itself is a poor game mode but that's another thread for another time.
Schecter 666 Minmatar Republic 89	Posted - 2014.07.01 23:09:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Schecter 666 wrote: 1. Nerf the HMGs damage 2. Nerf the HMGs rate of fire Hey presto I guarantee people will start to have a lot more fun since they won't be constantly slayed by heavy spam in every game. And you cripple the Sentinel's class and force them to be a purely AV suit...... nah bro. Heavy's be fine. They will still be lethal, just not as lethal, you can nerf something by 1% you know. A slight nerf to not make them destroy you in half a second does not cripple the entire suit.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 131	Posted - 2014.07.02 00:05:00 - [10] - Quote Schecter 666 wrote: 1. Nerf the HMGs damage 2. Nerf the HMGs rate of fire Hey presto I guarantee people will start to have a lot more fun since they won't be constantly slayed by heavy spam in every game. no and no.. dispersal balance is probably the best bet to give some distinction between the short and long range ones Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11460	Posted - 2014.07.02 00:07:00 - [11] - Quote Schecter 666 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Schecter 666 wrote: 1. Nerf the HMGs damage 2. Nerf the HMGs rate of fire Hey presto I guarantee people will start to have a lot more fun since they won't be constantly slayed by heavy spam in every game. And you cripple the Sentinel's class and force them to be a purely AV suit...... nah bro. Heavy's be fine. They will still be lethal, just not as lethal, you can nerf something by 1% you know. A slight nerf to not make them destroy you in half a second does not cripple the entire suit. But they aren't broke? Don't need a fix. " We need to reclaim their fates and envelop them in ours. And we need to love them, no matter how much it hurts."
Grimmiers 609	Posted - 2014.07.02 08:16:00 - [12] - Quote The problem started when ccp fixed the cone of fire AND increased the rof to 2400 from 2000. It would have been nice to see if the changes to accuracy to make it hit more was enough since it was already doing a lot of damage. Then they tried to do the same thing for the small blaster even though that was better off as a minimal dispersion weapon that just needed splash. Nerfing poorly decided buffs shouldn't be that big of a deal especially when we had the flat damage nerf to all rifles with no changes to the hmg.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 254	Posted - 2014.07.02 12:08:00 - [13] - Quote Schecter 666 wrote: 1. Nerf the HMGs damage 2. Nerf the HMGs rate of fire Hey presto I guarantee people will start to have a lot more fun since they won't be constantly slayed by heavy spam in every game. unless you're a heavy.... honestly it's range is the only problem I have... a hmg shouldn't be able to kill me 25 meters out in a few shots.
Emo Skellington The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 82	Posted - 2014.07.02 13:54:00 - [14] - Quote Excuse me but you may be....oh wait... no you are mistaken. The HMG has high damage up close for a reason..... ITS A MACHINE GUN Your lucky you can run out of its effective range quick enough but after about 30m its useless (except Assault variant) Just because you try to one up a heavy solo and lose doesnt mean it needs a nerf, it means you need a new tactic. To top it off and wrap this up witrh a bow The HMG is a close quarters combat gun, (HINT) stay out of its range Supporter of Legion Supporter of Valkyrie Supporter/Fan of Eve


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