DUST Search - Why this event is poorly executed

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

As much as I love the idea of players naming new officer gear, this event is poorly done.

My initial problems with the event is that:
1) Only proto weapon kills are eligible, meaning only those with money to run proto for 3 days can possibly win. It will also make the protostomping problem much worse than it has to be.
2) Kills with eligible weapons of the same category are not counted together. This means if you use a Duvolle AR, and then use a Federation Duvolle AR, they get counted separately, so only the one you got the most kills with matters; this is stupid because both weapons are essentially the exact same thing. There is no reason for this rule, its not like CCP can't do addition.

I realized now that it is fundamentally worse than these 2 problems. It is a bad idea to have an event where only a small handful of super-rich super-hardcore people can possibly benefit while everyone else is effectively wasting their time.

CCP could have added other smaller rewards like "for very kill you get with X weapon, you will be rewarded 2 X weapon of the same tier" or something else, but they did not. There is no incentive for anyone else to participate except for the super-rich super-hardcore tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of the community.

Seriously, how did they think its ok to have an event where 99.99% of the community will gain NOTHING? there should have been smaller rewards for the majority.

Seriously, what the hell kind of community event benefits only a tiny fraction of the community?

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KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1089	Posted - 2014.06.27 02:02:00 - [31] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: As much as I love the idea of players naming new officer gear, this event is poorly done. My initial problems with the event is that: 1) Only proto weapon kills are eligible, meaning only those with money to run proto for 3 days can possibly win. It will also make the protostomping problem much worse than it has to be. 2) Kills with eligible weapons of the same category are not counted together. This means if you use a Duvolle AR, and then use a Federation Duvolle AR, they get counted separately, so only the one you got the most kills with matters; this is stupid because both weapons are essentially the exact same thing. There is no reason for this rule, its not like CCP can't do addition. I realized now that it is fundamentally worse than these 2 problems. It is a bad idea to have an event where only a small handful of super-rich super-hardcore people can possibly benefit while everyone else is effectively wasting their time. CCP could have added other smaller rewards like "for very kill you get with X weapon, you will be rewarded 2 X weapon of the same tier" or something else, but they did not. There is no incentive for anyone else to participate except for the super-rich super-hardcore tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of the community. Seriously, how did they think its ok to have an event where 99.99% of the community will gain NOTHING? there should have been smaller rewards for the majority. Seriously, what the hell kind of community event benefits only a tiny fraction of the community? Nah it's not that bad as the reward is (mostly) immaterial. That 30 officer weps is a token reward, getting to name stuff is huge buff to dedicated player's e-peen. Sure, the same type weps should definately count for same. :-S
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 408	Posted - 2014.06.27 02:26:00 - [32] - Quote The idea of the militia or Basic variant and getting to name weapons would be a LOT more fun and would encourage everyone to come out and play, not just those who can afford the time/resources to participate to an all out proto war. I understand the idea of "Lore" behind this and using it as a "testing" ground. So run this one, and then run another one after this that uses the same concept but with lower tier gear. Also, since the protostompers all have so much skill, they should still be able to stomp the matches running with militia and basic weapons the same as if they were running with proto weapons. However, those like me who don't have 250 million ISK in the bank can still afford to go out and run matches without worrying about draining every single piece of change I have. However, as an improvement to this, I would run it like a raffle. I am in agreement with the majority of the voices on the forums. The idea that only the person with the most kills with each weapon will gain this opportunity makes it almost pointless for the majority of players. However, Aero Yassavi has a good point as well. So I have come up with a compromise. The person with the most kills will get to name the officer weapon and will get 30 of them right? And we want to give the other people who realistically have no chance at actually WINNING this thing a reason to play right? Why don't you just say for every kill by a proto weapon, your name is entered into a raffle. At the end of the tournament weekends, take all of the names and draw 10 of them for each weapon, giving each of them 10 of the new officer weapon. So if I, for instance, had 10 kills with a Combat Rifle and "FIGHTER X" also didn't win but he got 110 kills with a CR (just using it as an example), he has his name entered 110 times and I have mine entered 10. This way, anyone who participates has an opportunity to at least get something out of it. I know if I at least had a chance to win something (because there is no way in hell I have the time/resources/skills to win this thing), I would be more likely to at least run a few matches and try and get my name entered as many times as possible to win a few "SNAFU" Combat Rifles or whatever name the winner comes up with. However, Aero is much more LIKELY to win one of the spots in the raffle because, you know, odds and stuff. We are talking about a basic MS excel document and formula that takes about 5 minutes to type up so we're not talking a lot of time/resources on this. Run it 10 times and give 10 of these to those players, but no one can win more than once and the overall winner is not eligible since s/he is already getting 30 of them. We're not exactly flooding the market and they can't be exchanged anyways. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9893	Posted - 2014.06.27 02:34:00 - [33] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: CCP could have added other smaller rewards like "for very kill you get with X weapon, you will be rewarded 2 X weapon of the same tier" or something else, but they did not. There is no incentive for anyone else to participate except for the super-rich super-hardcore tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of the community. CCP Rattati addressed this issue: CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. I encourage that you post in the thread, as CCP Rattai is much more likely to see this that way. NoLifing DUST for the Officer Swarm Launcher. "Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..." -HAND
The Eristic Dust 90210 490	Posted - 2014.06.27 02:49:00 - [34] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Sure, has some cons to it, but I'm just looking forward to the impact it has on those very same ISK fiends who've been hording hundreds of millions/billions ISK If you ask me, I think it's a great idea to put a ***** (wow really? This is censored?) in the massive ISK savings people have. Dude, I could lose my most expensive 100% proto fit 1000 times (literally!) with zero income and still have the ISK of most players 10-20 times over, and I'm nowhere close to as rich as some of the hardcore guys. Four weekends isn't even a scratch. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.


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