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OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 58	Posted - 2014.06.26 02:17:00 - [1] - Quote Its absolute range is 125. But past 55 meters, the vast majority of bullets aren't even hitting you. Let's do some range comparisons. First number is effective range, second is absolute. Combat Rifle: 84 - 240 Assault Rifle: 70 - 250 Scrambler Rifle: 96 - 240 Scrambler Pistol: 63 - 125 Ion Pistol: 42 - Infinity Shotgun: 19.8 - 22 It shouldn't take much intelligence to figure out the rest of the light/sidearm weapons' ranges. So why are you dying again? Because you want to get within 150 feet of a giant with a gun. Maybe you should be sticking back to 160 feet? TL;DR you outrange heavies stop QQing that you can't get close to them
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3803	Posted - 2014.06.26 02:19:00 - [2] - Quote I think you should stick to one measurement system. I'm not quite sure whether you're telling me to stay more than 55m or 150m away. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 60	Posted - 2014.06.26 02:21:00 - [3] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I think you should stick to one measurement system. I'm not quite sure whether you're telling me to stay more than 55m or 150m away. go use the metric system some more you communist
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11203	Posted - 2014.06.26 02:27:00 - [4] - Quote Bearing in mind out side of absolute range you do greatly reduced damage.....and Sentinels get resistance bonuses..... Not that I'm complaining, Heavies are fine IMO. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
DEATH THE KlD Harem. King 21	Posted - 2014.06.26 02:27:00 - [5] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I think you should stick to one measurement system. I'm not quite sure whether you're telling me to stay more than 55m or 150m away. go use the metric system some more you communist Americans don't use the metric system either.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3804	Posted - 2014.06.26 02:33:00 - [6] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I think you should stick to one measurement system. I'm not quite sure whether you're telling me to stay more than 55m or 150m away. go use the metric system some more you communist I DO use the metric system. I want to know why you're switching between the two :) CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Ghost Kaisar The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 5482	Posted - 2014.06.26 02:45:00 - [7] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I think you should stick to one measurement system. I'm not quite sure whether you're telling me to stay more than 55m or 150m away. go use the metric system some more you communist MOST COMMUNISTS USE THE METRIC SYSTEM DUMBASS Only 3 countries use non-metric: Liberia, Myanmar, and the USA That Crazy Minmatar Fanatic Stabbing Heavies for the Republic since Uprising 1.1 PSN: EVL_Elgost105
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3806	Posted - 2014.06.26 02:49:00 - [8] - Quote DEATH THE KlD wrote: OP FOTM wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I think you should stick to one measurement system. I'm not quite sure whether you're telling me to stay more than 55m or 150m away. go use the metric system some more you communist Americans don't use the metric system either. I'm Australian, and holy off topic Batman! CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 86	Posted - 2014.06.26 02:50:00 - [9] - Quote Due to CCP's history, I am fully prepared to see a change to heavies coming soon. CCP has always catered to the whiners.
DEATH THE KlD Harem. King 21	Posted - 2014.06.26 02:51:00 - [10] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: DEATH THE KlD wrote: OP FOTM wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I think you should stick to one measurement system. I'm not quite sure whether you're telling me to stay more than 55m or 150m away. go use the metric system some more you communist Americans don't use the metric system either. I'm Australian, and holy off topic Batman! He basically said communists don't use the metric system. Which is false it's the Americans that don't. Which last I checked they weren't communists unless they recently changed sides?

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11211	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:08:00 - [11] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: DEATH THE KlD wrote: OP FOTM wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I think you should stick to one measurement system. I'm not quite sure whether you're telling me to stay more than 55m or 150m away. go use the metric system some more you communist Americans don't use the metric system either. I'm Australian, and holy off topic Batman! Australians measure things in Dingo lengths..... or Kangaroo Hops, or how far Lorhak can throw a Boomerang. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 67	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:58:00 - [12] - Quote I'm going to bump this thread until the heavy QQ stops.
Louis Domi PRadox One Proficiency V. 394	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:29:00 - [13] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: I'm going to bump this thread until the heavy QQ stops. Bump till the end of days... As long as there is a single person using heavies efficiently there will be haters..
DEATH THE KlD Harem. King 23	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:32:00 - [14] - Quote I'm bumping for the hmg nerf
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1511	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:38:00 - [15] - Quote DEATH THE KlD wrote: I'm bumping for the hmg nerf CCP Rattati wrote: I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray. Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 132	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:44:00 - [16] - Quote So the research facility and many other objectives are in enclosed areas with less then 30m from objective to wall. How exactly are attackers not to get into optimal range of a defending HMG? The offensive variant is normally bumping around in a LAV and parks 5 m from their victims. Again how does one stay out of optimum. The solutions to stop snipers having good lines of sight and to stop HAVs getting into objectives optimizes maps for heavies defending objectives. =][= I have heard that there is one kind of American that uses the metric system: Marines.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1513	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:48:00 - [17] - Quote Venerable Phage wrote: So the research facility and many other objectives are in enclosed areas with less then 30m from objective to wall. How exactly are attackers not to get into optimal range of a defending HMG? The offensive variant is normally bumping around in a LAV and parks 5 m from their victims. Again how does one stay out of optimum. The solutions to stop snipers having good lines of sight and to stop HAVs getting into objectives optimizes maps for heavies defending objectives. =][= I have heard that there is one kind of American that uses the metric system: Marines. So basically what I'm hearing is that a couple sockets favor the HMG heavy and that makes you butthurt... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Hynox Xitio 0uter.Heaven 1337	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:49:00 - [18] - Quote slow clap Unleash the Fogwoggler, follow your dreams. ( -íº -£-û -íº) /)
DEATH THE KlD Harem. King 23	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:50:00 - [19] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: DEATH THE KlD wrote: I'm bumping for the hmg nerf CCP Rattati wrote: I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray. Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject. That wasn't my point lol
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 69	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:51:00 - [20] - Quote Venerable Phage wrote: So the research facility and many other objectives are in enclosed areas with less then 30m from objective to wall. How exactly are attackers not to get into optimal range of a defending HMG? You don't. Not in that specific map, ONLY ON THAT SPECIFIC POINT Alpha where it always is in Dom, but in other points on that map and in other city maps you CAN. Mediums and lights get to dominate open maps. Heavies get to dominate city maps. Cry about it some more.

Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1514	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:55:00 - [21] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Venerable Phage wrote: So the research facility and many other objectives are in enclosed areas with less then 30m from objective to wall. How exactly are attackers not to get into optimal range of a defending HMG? You don't. Not in that specific map, ONLY ON THAT SPECIFIC POINT Alpha where it always is in Dom, but in other points on that map and in other city maps you CAN. Mediums and lights get to dominate open maps. Heavies get to dominate city maps. Cry about it some more. I should like to note that there is no cover in that area either in skirm or dom making very susceptible to ADSes and OBs(hint hint nudge nudge) Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 69	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:58:00 - [22] - Quote That's another thing. While people like to make up stories that heavies survive orbitals, WE DON'T. Faster suits have a much better chance of sprinting away and evading the orbital completely. Guess what guys? In a recent PC, while following orders and guarding an objective I felt like a ragdoll while going 4/9 taking constant orbitals and rail rifle shots. The simple fact is you can kill heavies. Especially the proto ones. We're actually even slower.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1515	Posted - 2014.06.26 05:16:00 - [23] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: That's another thing. While people like to make up stories that heavies survive orbitals, WE DON'T. Faster suits have a much better chance of sprinting away and evading the orbital completely. Guess what guys? In a recent PC, while following orders and guarding an objective I felt like a ragdoll while going 4/9 taking constant orbitals and rail rifle shots. The simple fact is you can kill heavies. Especially the proto ones. We're actually even slower. I know I'm slow as f*ck to the point that medium suits walk faster then I sprint Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Izlare Lenix BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 727	Posted - 2014.06.26 05:18:00 - [24] - Quote The problem with the hmg it's not it's range. It is the fact that a heavy is almost always in his optimal when he's around an objective. And attacking our defending objectives is all that matters in PC, FW, skirm and dom. Most objectives are surrounded by or in buildings and cqc type areas. I can't get range on a heavy inside a building or down a hallway. The hmg will always have an advantage against other suits and weapons around objectives unless you catch a dumb heavy out in the open. Heavies can keep their resists, and massive hp and the most OP dps gun in the game but they need a reduction in turning speed. Because right now the only way to effectively counter an hmg heavy is to bring your own, especially with the recent RE nerf. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 69	Posted - 2014.06.26 05:21:00 - [25] - Quote You guys are just so wrong... it's not even funny... I grow tired of explaining over and over again why you are wrong...
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad. 3419	Posted - 2014.06.26 05:21:00 - [26] - Quote Uhhhh, I don't care what you say, a HMG shouldn't be anything except a shotgun and a nova knife at 55 meters. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1515	Posted - 2014.06.26 05:31:00 - [27] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: The problem with the hmg it's not it's range. It is the fact that a heavy is almost always in his optimal when he's around an objective. And attacking or defending objectives is all that matters in PC, FW, skirm and dom. Most objectives are surrounded by or in buildings and cqc type areas. I can't get range on a heavy inside a building or down a hallway. The hmg will always have an advantage against other suits and weapons around objectives unless you catch a dumb heavy out in the open. Heavies can keep their resists, and massive hp and the most OP dps gun in the game but they need a reduction in turning speed. Because right now the only way to effectively counter an hmg heavy is to bring your own, especially with the recent RE nerf. Err... only the STD got nerfed the PRO got buffed so yeah... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Izlare Lenix BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 727	Posted - 2014.06.26 05:52:00 - [28] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Venerable Phage wrote: So the research facility and many other objectives are in enclosed areas with less then 30m from objective to wall. How exactly are attackers not to get into optimal range of a defending HMG? You don't. Not in that specific map, ONLY ON THAT SPECIFIC POINT Alpha where it always is in Dom, but in other points on that map and in other city maps you CAN. Mediums and lights get to dominate open maps. Heavies get to dominate city maps. Cry about it some more. Lol. Open maps. The openness of a map dosen't mean anything when the objective is inside a building, in a pyramid, under a turtle back, down in a pit, or inside a complex. I can think of only three sockets that have an objective out in the open and they are almost always camped by snipers, tanks and ads. Almost every other socket and every city layout forces players into the hmg's cqc area of dominance in order to hack. But yeah keep ignoring this fact and say we are wrong, you are right. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 397	Posted - 2014.06.26 06:03:00 - [29] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: I think you should stick to one measurement system. I'm not quite sure whether you're telling me to stay more than 55m or 150m away. go use the metric system some more you communist fug u gommies Ameriga fug yeh


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