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Markul Gartel Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:37:00 - [1] - Quote The HMG needs a serious range adjustment, as it stands now heavies with HMG's plus all of that hp are too overpowered to other classes. Especially in the lower tier suits.
Gooseman Manwhore CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 69	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:41:00 - [2] - Quote I have no clue what you're talking about. Every time I get into my heavy suit I get wrecked by someone who's practically not at my feet. Anyone with an assault rifle, rail rifle, or combat rifle destroys me. That or a scout suit with a shotgun. Then again I'm addicted to the MH-82 and that's not even the reduced accuracy/increased range model! I put the sexi in dyslexia
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 14876	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:41:00 - [3] - Quote INB4 firestorm You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Polka will never die.
Markul Gartel Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:44:00 - [4] - Quote It's pretty bad when i unload a whole clip at the head, the heavy turns around and kills me from a far with an hmg with crazy range and no need to aim.
Tectonic Fusion 1777	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:45:00 - [5] - Quote Define too far? I agree it need some adjusting, however we need to set the parameters first.
Markul Gartel Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:46:00 - [6] - Quote Honestly just a slight range reduction would suffice, then at least an assault with a rifle could kill the heavy from a far.
Markul Gartel Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:47:00 - [7] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Define too far? I agree it need some adjusting, however we need to set the parameters first. Honestly it doesn't need to be much, but the range needs to be slightly tweaked....
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5408	Posted - 2014.06.25 23:14:00 - [8] - Quote I don't understand why people think that the range is the problem- they have the range of gallente assault rifles, if that. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Hynox Xitio 0uter.Heaven 1329	Posted - 2014.06.25 23:19:00 - [9] - Quote No. Unleash the Fogwoggler, follow your dreams. ( -íº -£-û -íº) /)
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2924	Posted - 2014.06.25 23:31:00 - [10] - Quote There is nothing wrong with the HMG, if you re getting 'outranged' by a guy with Close-Quarters breaching weapon you need to take serious look at career as a mercanary. However for clarification. Gùå The HMG has an optimal range of less than 30m Gùå The HMG has an effective range of less than 50m Gùå The HMG has a large circle of dispersion that increases further when the heavy moves (The speed of movement has no effect on this) Gùå All 10 rifle variants have greater range. Gùå In order for a HMG to do any meaningful damage at greater than 30m the user must crouch and ADS while holding sustained fire. In short you sit about 40m and watch and laugh as his 'deaths engine' does next to no damage and you score continous headshots. It's not often I say this but, get good. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2

vlad stoich NoGameNoLife 138	Posted - 2014.06.25 23:39:00 - [11] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: There is nothing wrong with the HMG, if you re getting 'outranged' by a guy with Close-Quarters breaching weapon you need to take serious look at career as a mercanary. However for clarification. Gùå The HMG has an optimal range of less than 30m Gùå The HMG has an effective range of less than 50m Gùå The HMG has a large circle of dispersion that increases further when the heavy moves (The speed of movement has no effect on this) Gùå All 10 rifle variants have greater range. Gùå In order for a HMG to do any meaningful damage at greater than 30m the user must crouch and ADS while holding sustained fire. In short you sit about 40m and watch and laugh as his 'deaths engine' does next to no damage and you score continous headshots. It's not often I say this but, get good. What are you doing sir? You could get roasted for using facts and common sense when trying to explain to the cry babies the error in their logic. You have to let them QQ their little hearts out. Collect the tears in a cup while they are still warm.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2924	Posted - 2014.06.25 23:44:00 - [12] - Quote vlad stoich wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: There is nothing wrong with the HMG, if you re getting 'outranged' by a guy with Close-Quarters breaching weapon you need to take serious look at career as a mercanary. However for clarification. Gùå The HMG has an optimal range of less than 30m Gùå The HMG has an effective range of less than 50m Gùå The HMG has a large circle of dispersion that increases further when the heavy moves (The speed of movement has no effect on this) Gùå All 10 rifle variants have greater range. Gùå In order for a HMG to do any meaningful damage at greater than 30m the user must crouch and ADS while holding sustained fire. In short you sit about 40m and watch and laugh as his 'deaths engine' does next to no damage and you score continous headshots. It's not often I say this but, get good. What are you doing sir? You could get roasted for using facts and common sense when trying to explain to the cry babies the error in their logic. You have to let them QQ their little hearts out. Collect the tears in a cup while they are still warm. But I always find the tears are so much sweeter when you kick their arguement out of the proverbial ball park and they still keep arguing, but I guess everyone has their preffered tastes in anguish. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Markul Gartel Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2014.06.25 23:49:00 - [13] - Quote I love the simple get good remarks when defending an overpowered setup. The hmg needs to be less accurate after 30m or not effective at all after 30m because right now it's too overpowered. I have an alt account with a heavy hmg setup and its crazy how easy it is for me to run around and noob spray everything that walks.
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 821	Posted - 2014.06.26 00:22:00 - [14] - Quote i fought a heavy with my gek on mlt suit the other day. left him with 2 hp left. did i mention the hmg heavy had over 1k armor as well? dust 514 shall be eternal. pve for dust 514. RIP 512.5 hps reps. ur 400 now.
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 82	Posted - 2014.06.26 00:25:00 - [15] - Quote Yea I've seen you before. You run up on heavies like you're Superman. Repeatedly. You never shoot from a distance. The range of a HMG is not that huge, so that means you can only be a few meters from the enemy. So in other words, you're doing it wrong.
Markul Gartel Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2014.06.26 02:07:00 - [16] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Yea I've seen you before. You run up on heavies like you're Superman. Repeatedly. You never shoot from a distance. The range of a HMG is not that huge, so that means you can only be a few meters from the enemy. So in other words, you're doing it wrong. You must have me confused, I don't dare get close to a heavy. They are overpowered as is !
Bax Zanith 175	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:50:00 - [17] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: There is nothing wrong with the HMG, if you re getting 'outranged' by a guy with Close-Quarters breaching weapon you need to take serious look at career as a mercanary. However for clarification. Gùå The HMG has an optimal range of less than 30m Gùå The HMG has an effective range of less than 50m Gùå The HMG has a large circle of dispersion that increases further when the heavy moves (The speed of movement has no effect on this) Gùå All 10 rifle variants have greater range. Gùå In order for a HMG to do any meaningful damage at greater than 30m the user must crouch and ADS while holding sustained fire. In short you sit about 40m and watch and laugh as his 'deaths engine' does next to no damage and you score continous headshots. It's not often I say this but, get good. I am a level 5 sentinel and I aprove of a slight nerf to the HMG's effective range. Iv never needed that rang, I do what a heavy is ment to do; breach and/or deffend. They didn't die from the cold without They died from the cold within. - James Patrick Kinney
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1507	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:54:00 - [18] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: There is nothing wrong with the HMG, if you re getting 'outranged' by a guy with Close-Quarters breaching weapon you need to take serious look at career as a mercanary. However for clarification. Gùå The HMG has an optimal range of less than 30m Gùå The HMG has an effective range of less than 50m Gùå The HMG has a large circle of dispersion that increases further when the heavy moves (The speed of movement has no effect on this) Gùå All 10 rifle variants have greater range. Gùå In order for a HMG to do any meaningful damage at greater than 30m the user must crouch and ADS while holding sustained fire. In short you sit about 40m and watch and laugh as his 'deaths engine' does next to no damage and you score continous headshots. It's not often I say this but, get good. I am a level 5 sentinel and I aprove of a slight nerf to the HMG's effective range. Iv never needed that rang, I do what a heavy is ment to do; breach and/or deffend. I'd rather see a (slight) increase in overheat Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Louis Domi PRadox One Proficiency V. 389	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:00:00 - [19] - Quote Oh I remember when people were saying Fix the Hmg a couple months ago... They added range and some other stuff I think(Not to clear on details since I'm not a heavy) Now every one wants a nerf... I called it... I literally just made a thread about this...
Louis Domi PRadox One Proficiency V. 389	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:02:00 - [20] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: There is nothing wrong with the HMG, if you re getting 'outranged' by a guy with Close-Quarters breaching weapon you need to take serious look at career as a mercanary. However for clarification. Gùå The HMG has an optimal range of less than 30m Gùå The HMG has an effective range of less than 50m Gùå The HMG has a large circle of dispersion that increases further when the heavy moves (The speed of movement has no effect on this) Gùå All 10 rifle variants have greater range. Gùå In order for a HMG to do any meaningful damage at greater than 30m the user must crouch and ADS while holding sustained fire. In short you sit about 40m and watch and laugh as his 'deaths engine' does next to no damage and you score continous headshots. It's not often I say this but, get good. I'm consistently getting almost Instakilled by heavies at 45+ range everytime I think I successfully get away, Boom Heavy with Hmg 45+m

Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 97	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:06:00 - [21] - Quote Markul Gartel wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Yea I've seen you before. You run up on heavies like you're Superman. Repeatedly. You never shoot from a distance. The range of a HMG is not that huge, so that means you can only be a few meters from the enemy. So in other words, you're doing it wrong. You must have me confused, I don't dare get close to a heavy. They are overpowered as is ! So why are you asking for a range nerf on their HMGs? If you're considerable distance away from the heavy, the spread of the HMG's projectile only pings you a few decreases of shield, allowing you to adjust and attack...or run. Any "OP" player would know that and use it to their advantage.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2931	Posted - 2014.06.26 08:44:00 - [22] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: There is nothing wrong with the HMG, if you re getting 'outranged' by a guy with Close-Quarters breaching weapon you need to take serious look at career as a mercanary. However for clarification. Gùå The HMG has an optimal range of less than 30m Gùå The HMG has an effective range of less than 50m Gùå The HMG has a large circle of dispersion that increases further when the heavy moves (The speed of movement has no effect on this) Gùå All 10 rifle variants have greater range. Gùå In order for a HMG to do any meaningful damage at greater than 30m the user must crouch and ADS while holding sustained fire. In short you sit about 40m and watch and laugh as his 'deaths engine' does next to no damage and you score continous headshots. It's not often I say this but, get good. I'm consistently getting almost Instakilled by heavies at 45+ range everytime I think I successfully get away, Boom Heavy with Hmg 45+m What's your base EHP 12? I'm sorry but if you getting 'Instakiled' by a HMG at that range then you may want to take a look at your dropsuit, because its about as strong as wet paper bag. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2932	Posted - 2014.06.26 08:49:00 - [23] - Quote Markul Gartel wrote: I love the simple get good remarks when defending an overpowered setup. The hmg needs to be less accurate after 30m or not effective at all after 30m because right now it's too overpowered. I have an alt account with a heavy hmg setup and its crazy how easy it is for me to run around and noob spray everything that walks. See what mean vlad the tears are so much sweeter when mixed with pure denial. Markul here is the thing, if you stand at 30m away the heavy must crouch and ADS in order to get anywhere near a decent DPS if you cannot kill this STATIONAIRY target with a rifle, the you do actually need to get good. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Midas Fool Watchdoge Explosives 485	Posted - 2014.06.26 08:52:00 - [24] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: There is nothing wrong with the HMG, if you re getting 'outranged' by a guy with Close-Quarters breaching weapon you need to take serious look at career as a mercanary. However for clarification. Gùå The HMG has an optimal range of less than 30m Gùå The HMG has an effective range of less than 50m Gùå The HMG has a large circle of dispersion that increases further when the heavy moves (The speed of movement has no effect on this) Gùå All 10 rifle variants have greater range. Gùå In order for a HMG to do any meaningful damage at greater than 30m the user must crouch and ADS while holding sustained fire. In short you sit about 40m and watch and laugh as his 'deaths engine' does next to no damage and you score continous headshots. It's not often I say this but, get good. Thank you..... I don't understand how someone thinks they can make unsupported claims. Everyone is entitled to their opinion because opinions mean nothing. OP should come back with some analysis or at the very least facts to support his nerf. CAPTURE CA-LARGE BLASTER TURRETS TO DESTROY ENEMY MCC
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 847	Posted - 2014.06.26 08:53:00 - [25] - Quote Markul Gartel wrote: I love the simple get good remarks when defending an overpowered setup. The hmg needs to be less accurate after 30m or not effective at all after 30m because right now it's too overpowered. I have an alt account with a heavy hmg setup and its crazy how easy it is for me to run around and noob spray everything that walks. I suggest you actually read the range finder when you attack people, I bet they're all within 30m. I use almost every weapon in the game, and I can definitely say, this sounds like you've never played the class, or have never bothered to look at the range indicator. I can easily down a HMG heavy with the starter suits, simply by keeping a bit of distance over them... Lately, I haven't been dying from heavies, except the ones with the lucky forgegun strikes, because the fields have been inundated with Scouts who can literally dodge through gunfire again. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust, theme
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1939	Posted - 2014.06.26 09:04:00 - [26] - Quote HMG's are capable of doing 75% damage or something at 37m. That's just a little longer than across te street. When a tanker is about to die, wanna know how they live? Jump out with a HMG and mow down your Wyrrkomi Swarm + Boundless Combat Rifle Commando in LITERALLY 1.2 seconds. 'Just run away' you say! But i sacrifice a high just to regen shield above 20/s, and a low to regen half my health. Alongside that, AV scouts are quite simply instakilled by the HMG, and with such low health(162 shield, 396 armor) i can't even DPS race him using a Magsec SMG at 45m. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10435	Posted - 2014.06.26 09:21:00 - [27] - Quote I personally think that the heavy Speed --> HP ratio is completely out of whack. But that's just me. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
KingBabar MAG was better... 2634	Posted - 2014.06.26 09:32:00 - [28] - Quote Get over yourselves fatties, many skilled players I've talked to go from a fully maxed proto whatever fit, which on top of maxed core skills has a suit + gun SP Investment of over 8 M SP, and then they use an 3 M SP alt with a basic fatty HMG setup and do just as good if not better. And lets not forget that the protofittings cost 180-220 K isk while at least my Fatty setup cost les than 30 K isk... Its at least what happened to me when I did a "Babar goes fatty" Experiment about 3-4 weeks ago. I had a KDR well over 10, and I had no previous experience running as a fatty, well I did use that alt in beta which is why I had 750 K Sp on it.... I see players like Taz-666 - The Rainbow Effects dedicated hacker and AV dude, he has a KDR of less then 2, way les than anyone else in TRE, suddenly he starts wearing a Minmatar speed fatty with a HMG and he gets rounds like 37-3 30-0 and so on, scores that I've never seen him even get close to. I have more examples of, well lets say "non-slayer" players that suddenly has an insane rice in KDR, after they respecced into fatsuits/HMG combos. The range argument is somewhat a bad one. There are a number of CQC maps, the so called city maps, where you have 2-3 objectives within fairly close distance. There are plenty of cover and engaging the Fattys at distance is simply not possible. So whats the effective viable counters to them? - Gang up 3 vs 1, (even that can be hard in some situations...) - Use shotty scouts or perhaps RE's (Hardly viable in the long run due to passive scanning, situations etc) - So the best and only really viable counter to fatty spam in the long run is to spam your own fattys. Do wwe see a trend of this already? Doesn't this also sound a lot like a certain Tank situation? At least tell me this; if fattiy/HMG combo is so balanced, why is it that I see them all over the place, in any game mode even on the big more open maps? Some statistics of % of HMG kills would be very interresting to see. Its not like the Dust playerbase isn't known for flocking to the current most OP setup.... The suits are fine, the HMG needs some sort of change that rewards skill over spray and pray, its getting ridicculous.... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 201	Posted - 2014.06.26 09:36:00 - [29] - Quote this isnt even in the correct section of the forums. post this in the feedback/ideas section. anyways, we dont want a giant, high RoF smg. this is a HEAVY MACHINE GUN. looks at the words really carefully now. its suppsed to be menacing. plus, any 'balances' made to the Heavy suit would most likely make it easier for a single player to take one down. that is not supposed to be the case. a Heavy/Sentinel is supposed to be a defender or positions and objectives. that means they are supposed to be able to "hold the fort" and protect areas that are getting hammered by enemy troops, at lest until the medium frames get there. it should take at least 3 players all shooting at the same heavy to take him down. but that isnt even the case right now. someone suggested earlier that heavies with vehicles are becoming a problem, and that they just basically drive up to people and mow them down. i agree, this is becoming a problem. but, instead of nerfing to hmg to fix this, how about we suggest CCP makes it so that heavy-framed troops cannot drive vehicles (with the exception being the commando maybe? or it could just be heavy frames altogether. the amount of players using the open turrets on LAVs and dropships in heavy frames just so they dont get shot out of them is getting absurd too). if you dont want to get mowed down by heavies, use the weakness. scout shotgun them in the face OR take on heavies in groups. thank you for your time! Every suit Gk.0 <3 Gallente Federation Patriot
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1678	Posted - 2014.06.26 10:17:00 - [30] - Quote If you are being killed by the assault or burst hmgs past 30 meters that is consistent with intent. They sacrifice the installer for longer range. So please be more specific about which guns you are being pasted by. A blanket nerf when one or two specific units might be causing problems will create more issues than it will fix.



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