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Baal Omniscient wrote:

Lynn Beck wrote:

I'm confused- this 'bug' has never happened to me, and it takes my Prof3 Swarms on Minmando 5 4-6 volleys to drop an incubus solo.

Sicas have been dropping like flies though, 3 volleys on average.
Then again... 0sp tanker Vs 31 Mill Sp infsntry guy specced lv3 everything in Swarms.

My Prof 5 swarms with 2x damage mods take 4-6 volleys as well, unless it's an under-fitted ship in which case it's 3-5.

Sica's are going down easier, but I've not noticed much difference v Gunloggi's or Maddy's.

Also, why the hell does it take 3-5 shots from a dual damage modded Prof. 5 Proto swarm to kill an unfitted Sica/Soma? Seems they should at least be 2 shotters, not 3-5. 3-5 on ADV maybe, 4-6 on MLT, but not 3-5 on prof. 5 proto...

Also, I would support the return of ADV/PRO tanks if base EHP of current MLT vehicles (ALL MLT vehicles) is reduced to the point that MLT AV can effectively kill it 1v1 (if the vehicle sticks around) within 2 clips regardless of modules fitted. Same goes for STD, ADV and PRO.

If I can dump 2 clips into a vehicle and it's still around, it better be a burning husk being dissolved by nanites. Otherwise my AV weaponry is not doing it's job. Proto AV v Proto tank, 2 clips to get through the best of modules, maximum. If the driver is smart, they will circle the field and avoid getting pinned down or stick with their team and rely on them to deal with AV. If they are dumb, AV will wreck their ****, as it should be.

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Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1595	Posted - 2014.06.21 17:41:00 - [1] - Quote qq av vs vehicles is completely broken.. im stomping and running fields in my adv swarmer fit with my lav..its not right its insane its uprising 1.0 borrrring yawns, jesus christ, talk about easy mode. why why why morte hates seein gunlogis not being able to handle adv swarms :( its sad for that matter dropships are just getting devastated by em. i can walk through tanks with my adv plc av rig and i kill tanks before they can kill my baloch with my dau assault forge.. wtf did u do...stop it dont do that nuff said
Tectonic Fusion 1749	Posted - 2014.06.21 17:42:00 - [2] - Quote Such skill > such noob Working as intended.
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1595	Posted - 2014.06.21 17:44:00 - [3] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Such skill > such noob Working as intended. -_- last night i had 2 tanks and a dropship all focusing on me because i had killed all three of them 3 times over and they couldnt do **** because of lil ole me ina adv av rig...this hasnt happened since uprising 1.0...sure im good with av...they still over nerfed vehicles
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 555	Posted - 2014.06.21 17:52:00 - [4] - Quote I... can't quite tell what I'm reading... ;~; I'm pretty sure the other guy missed what is a troll post poking fun at all the people calling for nerfs and such, but... yea, that's what it is. I'm just gonna stick with that and keep rolling along... er... sprinting along. I don't roll anymore. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2299	Posted - 2014.06.21 17:58:00 - [5] - Quote The OP is actually correct. I have found a bug with swarms against dropships that is causing us to melt. I have not tested it on tanks, but the bug may be there too. Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1596	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:14:00 - [6] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: I... can't quite tell what I'm reading... ;~; I'm pretty sure the other guy missed what is a troll post poking fun at all the people calling for nerfs and such, but... yea, that's what it is. I'm just gonna stick with that and keep rolling along... er... sprinting along. I don't roll anymore. actually i am dead serious vehicles have been overnerfed and swarms are broken especially vs dropships i have not had any durpship take a full clip from my cbr7s n walk away
vlad stoich NoGameNoLife 111	Posted - 2014.06.21 22:36:00 - [7] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: qq av vs vehicles is completely broken.. im stomping and running fields in my adv swarmer fit with my lav..its not right its insane its uprising 1.0 borrrring yawns, jesus christ, talk about easy mode. why why why morte hates seein gunlogis not being able to handle adv swarms :( its sad for that matter dropships are just getting devastated by em. i can walk through tanks with my adv plc av rig and i kill tanks before they can kill my baloch with my dau assault forge.. wtf did u do...stop it dont do that nuff said Shaddup morte. Finally have the upper hand and you go blabbing.
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1597	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:02:00 - [8] - Quote vlad stoich wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: qq av vs vehicles is completely broken.. im stomping and running fields in my adv swarmer fit with my lav..its not right its insane its uprising 1.0 borrrring yawns, jesus christ, talk about easy mode. why why why morte hates seein gunlogis not being able to handle adv swarms :( its sad for that matter dropships are just getting devastated by em. i can walk through tanks with my adv plc av rig and i kill tanks before they can kill my baloch with my dau assault forge.. wtf did u do...stop it dont do that nuff said Shaddup morte. Finally have the upper hand and you go blabbing. no i will not sit quietly while the game is further imbalanced..its terrible vlad and you know it. doesnt matter of swarmer av is one of my main and oldest builds i want balance and its not balanced when me and my adv suit can solo a team of 3 vehicles
Michael Arck 4801	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:05:00 - [9] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Such skill > such noob Working as intended. This. CCP can't buff the pub players. No matter how hard GD tries to. So....working as intended. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10959	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:07:00 - [10] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: qq av vs vehicles is completely broken.. im stomping and running fields in my adv swarmer fit with my lav..its not right its insane its uprising 1.0 borrrring yawns, jesus christ, talk about easy mode. why why why morte hates seein gunlogis not being able to handle adv swarms :( its sad for that matter dropships are just getting devastated by em. i can walk through tanks with my adv plc av rig and i kill tanks before they can kill my baloch with my dau assault forge.. wtf did u do...stop it dont do that nuff said Sagaris and Surya to return 1.9....here hoping! " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III

Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1597	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:10:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: qq av vs vehicles is completely broken.. im stomping and running fields in my adv swarmer fit with my lav..its not right its insane its uprising 1.0 borrrring yawns, jesus christ, talk about easy mode. why why why morte hates seein gunlogis not being able to handle adv swarms :( its sad for that matter dropships are just getting devastated by em. i can walk through tanks with my adv plc av rig and i kill tanks before they can kill my baloch with my dau assault forge.. wtf did u do...stop it dont do that nuff said Sagaris and Surya to return 1.9....here hoping! now if they did that...and brought back out real tanks....then i would consider current av balanced
manboar thunder fist SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 55	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:11:00 - [12] - Quote Imagine my surprise when I logged in, hopped into a 650k dropship, and got taken out in 4.6 seconds by a swarm launcher commando... I couldn't even kill him because every swarm would knock my aim, and each volley took out 40% of my EHP... Considering swarms do more dmg to my last 960 armour I was f""ed I got pissed. So I went into an ambush where arknez was using his proto xt incubus.... I killed him with 4 Volleys from a militia unskilled swarm launcher. All I had to do was aim at a massive target and let go every 1.4 seconds... With the reload it took me 6 seconds? Mlt swarm vs proto incubus NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1597	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:12:00 - [13] - Quote manboar thunder fist wrote: Imagine my surprise when I logged in, hopped into a 650k dropship, and got taken out in 4.6 seconds by a swarm launcher commando... I couldn't even kill him because every swarm would knock my aim, and each volley took out 40% of my EHP... Considering swarms do more dmg to my last 960 armour I was f""ed I got pissed. So I went into an ambush where arknez was using his proto xt incubus.... I killed him with 4 Volleys from a militia unskilled swarm launcher. All I had to do was aim at a massive target and let go every 1.4 seconds... With the reload it took me 6 seconds? Mlt swarm vs proto incubus yurp
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1966	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:19:00 - [14] - Quote True story. I don't need to fire them any more, Dropships fall out of the sky in a ball of fire when I lock on. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Humble Seeker Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 135	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:25:00 - [15] - Quote manboar thunder fist wrote: Imagine my surprise when I logged in, hopped into a 650k dropship, and got taken out in 4.6 seconds by a swarm launcher commando... I couldn't even kill him because every swarm would knock my aim, and each volley took out 40% of my EHP... Considering swarms do more dmg to my last 960 armour I was f""ed I got pissed. So I went into an ambush where arknez was using his proto xt incubus.... I killed him with 4 Volleys from a militia unskilled swarm launcher. All I had to do was aim at a massive target and let go every 1.4 seconds... With the reload it took me 6 seconds? Mlt swarm vs proto incubus Damn, really? I've got to try this....uh...for science. "Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10960	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:27:00 - [16] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: True Adamance wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: qq av vs vehicles is completely broken.. im stomping and running fields in my adv swarmer fit with my lav..its not right its insane its uprising 1.0 borrrring yawns, jesus christ, talk about easy mode. why why why morte hates seein gunlogis not being able to handle adv swarms :( its sad for that matter dropships are just getting devastated by em. i can walk through tanks with my adv plc av rig and i kill tanks before they can kill my baloch with my dau assault forge.. wtf did u do...stop it dont do that nuff said Sagaris and Surya to return 1.9....here hoping! now if they did that...and brought back out real tanks....then i would consider current av balanced Even if they didn't bring out my Amarrian tank.....which I would LOVE to see, I would be equally happy if Marauders got a re-introduction " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 560	Posted - 2014.06.22 07:51:00 - [17] - Quote Hm... Well, it's an effect I'm likely to never see for myself as I don't run the typical AV setup. Never skilled into swarms or FG's, so... I dunno. I think I may just grab my militia tank for a bit though and see what the game feels like in one. It can't be much worse than what tanks were like before 1.7 dropped. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1875	Posted - 2014.06.22 08:00:00 - [18] - Quote I'm confused- this 'bug' has never happened to me, and it takes my Prof3 Swarms on Minmando 5 4-6 volleys to drop an incubus solo. Sicas have been dropping like flies though, 3 volleys on average. Then again... 0sp tanker Vs 31 Mill Sp infsntry guy specced lv3 everything in Swarms. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2014.06.22 08:09:00 - [19] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Such skill > such noob Working as intended. -_- last night i had 2 tanks and a dropship all focusing on me because i had killed all three of them 3 times over and they couldnt do **** because of lil ole me ina adv av rig...this hasnt happened since uprising 1.0...sure im good with av...they still over nerfed vehicles You are a trolling ass HAV pilot..... Im glad youre getting blown up....
Baal Omniscient Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1769	Posted - 2014.06.22 08:17:00 - [20] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: I'm confused- this 'bug' has never happened to me, and it takes my Prof3 Swarms on Minmando 5 4-6 volleys to drop an incubus solo. Sicas have been dropping like flies though, 3 volleys on average. Then again... 0sp tanker Vs 31 Mill Sp infsntry guy specced lv3 everything in Swarms. My Prof 5 swarms with 2x damage mods take 4-6 volleys as well, unless it's an under-fitted ship in which case it's 3-5. Sica's are going down easier, but I've not noticed much difference v Gunloggi's or Maddy's. Also, why the hell does it take 3-5 shots from a dual damage modded Prof. 5 Proto swarm to kill an unfitted Sica/Soma? Seems they should at least be 2 shotters, not 3-5. 3-5 on ADV maybe, 4-6 on MLT, but not 3-5 on prof. 5 proto... Also, I would support the return of ADV/PRO tanks if base EHP of current MLT vehicles (ALL MLT vehicles) is reduced to the point that MLT AV can effectively kill it 1v1 (if the vehicle sticks around) within 2 clips regardless of modules fitted. Same goes for STD, ADV and PRO. If I can dump 2 clips into a vehicle and it's still around, it better be a burning husk being dissolved by nanites. Otherwise my AV weaponry is not doing it's job. Proto AV v Proto tank, 2 clips to get through the best of modules, maximum. If the driver is smart, they will circle the field and avoid getting pinned down or stick with their team and rely on them to deal with AV. If they are dumb, AV will wreck their **, as it should be. PSN ID: AlbelNox2569** Cross Atu for CPM1

Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1876	Posted - 2014.06.22 08:56:00 - [21] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: I'm confused- this 'bug' has never happened to me, and it takes my Prof3 Swarms on Minmando 5 4-6 volleys to drop an incubus solo. Sicas have been dropping like flies though, 3 volleys on average. Then again... 0sp tanker Vs 31 Mill Sp infsntry guy specced lv3 everything in Swarms. My Prof 5 swarms with 2x damage mods take 4-6 volleys as well, unless it's an under-fitted ship in which case it's 3-5. Sica's are going down easier, but I've not noticed much difference v Gunloggi's or Maddy's. Also, why the hell does it take 3-5 shots from a dual damage modded Prof. 5 Proto swarm to kill an unfitted Sica/Soma? Seems they should at least be 2 shotters, not 3-5. 3-5 on ADV maybe, 4-6 on MLT, but not 3-5 on prof. 5 proto... Also, I would support the return of ADV/PRO tanks if base EHP of current MLT vehicles (ALL MLT vehicles) is reduced to the point that MLT AV can effectively kill it 1v1 (if the vehicle sticks around) within 2 clips regardless of modules fitted. Same goes for STD, ADV and PRO. If I can dump 2 clips into a vehicle and it's still around, it better be a burning husk being dissolved by nanites. Otherwise my AV weaponry is not doing it's job. Proto AV v Proto tank, 2 clips to get through the best of modules, maximum. If the driver is smart, they will circle the field and avoid getting pinned down or stick with their team and rely on them to deal with AV. If they are dumb, AV will wreck their ****, as it should be. Eeeh, i feel that 2 clips even is too short, especialy when you account for Av nades, Commando skills, and possibly having 2 Avers. I personally feel that a Mlt tank should be 1 clip, 2 shots at base HP from my Pro Swarm. Against a equally maxed tanker, it should take 2 clips and either 1 or 2 volleys. As that's typically what my commando can pull off when i catch a tank against a wall or in a wide area- given 2 people or assistant nades, it wouldeffectively halve the # perperson, so 8 volley down to 4 per. I like how tanks can be hurt, but let's not go overboard. Tanks still need to 'tank' to fulfill their only role. General John Ripper -HAM(Yum) This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Non-Association Foster Care Office
CHANCEtheChAn 0uter.Heaven 431	Posted - 2014.06.22 09:11:00 - [22] - Quote Community- militia tanks are OP CCP-Well it looks to us that all tanks are Overpowered Community-"Triple rep Maddy's are OP, especially the rail ones and can rep through our damage" CCP-Well it looks like we heard ALL reppers are OP and so are them darn blaster cannons Community- Well blasters got a Nerf, what about the rails? CCP- Oh you mean that supercharged particle Cannon? Lol LAVs should be able to out-DPS them things CCP logic. Don't ask why, ask when. Hmmm. The Meta is strong with this one...
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2014.06.22 22:21:00 - [23] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: True Adamance wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: qq av vs vehicles is completely broken.. im stomping and running fields in my adv swarmer fit with my lav..its not right its insane its uprising 1.0 borrrring yawns, jesus christ, talk about easy mode. why why why morte hates seein gunlogis not being able to handle adv swarms :( its sad for that matter dropships are just getting devastated by em. i can walk through tanks with my adv plc av rig and i kill tanks before they can kill my baloch with my dau assault forge.. wtf did u do...stop it dont do that nuff said Sagaris and Surya to return 1.9....here hoping! now if they did that...and brought back out real tanks....then i would consider current av balanced They are, you now need infantry suuport. Get some and get good. No more tanks kill all. You can tough it out the way infantry has since 1.8
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5389	Posted - 2014.06.22 22:24:00 - [24] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: The OP is actually correct. I have found a bug with swarms against dropships that is causing us to melt. I have not tested it on tanks, but the bug may be there too. Not sure how this is working for you guys, but I still can't solo Soma's with ADV swarms. This is good. From what I have experienced, Swarms are enough to chase off dropships and tanks, but it's still hard to kill them outright unless they stick around. That Crazy Minmatar Fanatic Stabbing Heavies for the Republic since Uprising 1.1 PSN: EVL_Elgost105
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11007	Posted - 2014.06.22 22:31:00 - [25] - Quote NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: True Adamance wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: qq av vs vehicles is completely broken.. im stomping and running fields in my adv swarmer fit with my lav..its not right its insane its uprising 1.0 borrrring yawns, jesus christ, talk about easy mode. why why why morte hates seein gunlogis not being able to handle adv swarms :( its sad for that matter dropships are just getting devastated by em. i can walk through tanks with my adv plc av rig and i kill tanks before they can kill my baloch with my dau assault forge.. wtf did u do...stop it dont do that nuff said Sagaris and Surya to return 1.9....here hoping! now if they did that...and brought back out real tanks....then i would consider current av balanced They are, you now need infantry suuport. Get some and get good. No more tanks kill all. You can tough it out the way infantry has since 1.8 Dude you have said this before..... you are assuming I am QQing about AV.... I'm not. I'm QQing that there aren't enough vehicle options in the game to make HAV use interesting. Additionally you fallaciously assume I play without a squad and don't use support. I never play Dust 514 solo, and opt to use my vehicle for squad support where I can. Please return to this thread when you get a proverbial clue. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
DarthJT5 12th Shadow Legion 35	Posted - 2014.06.22 22:33:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: qq av vs vehicles is completely broken.. im stomping and running fields in my adv swarmer fit with my lav..its not right its insane its uprising 1.0 borrrring yawns, jesus christ, talk about easy mode. why why why morte hates seein gunlogis not being able to handle adv swarms :( its sad for that matter dropships are just getting devastated by em. i can walk through tanks with my adv plc av rig and i kill tanks before they can kill my baloch with my dau assault forge.. wtf did u do...stop it dont do that nuff said Sagaris and Surya to return 1.9....here hoping! I see you everywhere asking for this... We need an official thread for the return of vehicle variants. We will get our Marauders back! Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta. Up and coming Python pilot. The awnser is always XT missiles....
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3301	Posted - 2014.06.22 23:17:00 - [27] - Quote To be honest if a ADS pilot is dumb enough to get hit 3-4 times in a row then he is doing something really wrong. When the first swarm volley hits he should flipped his afterburner on and outrun the swarms that are incoming. And you forget that 1 proto swarm launcher deals 220X6=1320 damage. Less against shields and more against armor due to resistance. This is without damage mods or skills added. And the progression of swarms is like this: Militia/STD= 880HP, shield damage= 704HP, armor damage =1232HP ADV= 1100HP damage, shield damage= 880HP, armor damage= 1320HP PRO= 1320HP damage, shield damage= 1056HP, armor damage= 1584HP on proto swarms the damage difference between shields and armor is ~66%. Swarms have a lock on range of exactly 175m and everything further away will not be locked on. Pilots can outrun swarms easy.
manboar thunder fist Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 56	Posted - 2014.06.28 15:22:00 - [28] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: I'm confused- this 'bug' has never happened to me, and it takes my Prof3 Swarms on Minmando 5 4-6 volleys to drop an incubus solo. Sicas have been dropping like flies though, 3 volleys on average. Then again... 0sp tanker Vs 31 Mill Sp infsntry guy specced lv3 everything in Swarms. Swarms ARE fire and forget weapons. But there are ways to use them to separate yourself from the "masses" I used my swarms in a way so that the incubus didn't see my firing effect, the swarms impacted on it's tail. My first volley hit by the time my 3rd was in the air, the incubus underestimated my swarms and stayed long enough for me to swap to my other swarm launcher, as a result, he died very quickly. If you fire straight at someone from 80 m away, they will afterburn, do a few loops and fly away and recall. NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4055	Posted - 2014.06.28 16:39:00 - [29] - Quote Hey, SL users, quit stealing my Vehicle Destructions and Kills. Waiting til I have them on the ropes with a FG then you come along with the ability to fire in under 4 seconds is a **** move. (Can't say I wouldn't do it too, though.) PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5481	Posted - 2014.06.28 16:50:00 - [30] - Quote Pilots are just dumbasses. When they sit around long enough for my plasma cannon to destroy them, it's not because of the vehicle nerf, it's because they were stupid enough to sit around and let me shoot them 5 times. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè

lunatis orrak Battlefield Brawlers 30	Posted - 2014.06.28 16:55:00 - [31] - Quote Well damn swarms are op now? Waut they didnt change anything about them ? O wait they just fixed them tanks are made to run beside infantry both of them protecting each other try to runthem as they were made to be run and you would do fine 1 pilot 1 tanker three infantry CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE `!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS! The leash is not for your protection`
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1031	Posted - 2014.06.28 18:21:00 - [32] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: morte hates seein gunlogis not being able to handle adv swarms :( its sad Wait till you see my new gunnlogi fit. You are going to QQ about how OP it is against those puny swarms of yours! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Mortedeamor NoGameNoLife 1673	Posted - 2014.06.28 18:40:00 - [33] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: morte hates seein gunlogis not being able to handle adv swarms :( its sad Wait till you see my new gunnlogi fit. You are going to QQ about how OP it is against those puny swarms of yours! pats my forge gun and newly acquired plc no ..no i dont think so
Mortedeamor NoGameNoLife 1673	Posted - 2014.06.28 18:42:00 - [34] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Hey, SL users, quit stealing my Vehicle Destructions and Kills. Waiting til I have them on the ropes with a FG then you come along with the ability to fire in under 4 seconds is a **** move. (Can't say I wouldn't do it too, though.) lol well tha depends on how far the tank is away if the tank is far enough you forge round will still hit first .because swarms travel very slowly


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