DUST Search - Determining Balance

Humble Seeker wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

deezy dabest wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

Great question. I would like to see some answers on this.

I only look for weapons that kill me insanely fast no matter which of my suits I am wearing or who is using them.

Aside from that I look at if a weapon over performs outside of its optimal range. The game is really about strategy and picking your weapon based on where you want to engage from plays a huge role in that. If a weapon kills you the same at 20m as it does at 60m i would definitely call it over powered.

I am very reserved in using the words overpowered as I do not know what proficiency or how many dmg mods they are running.

Alot of the OP trends are made worse by the guys that intentionally keep back millions of SP just to go prof 5 in the weapon that became slightly overpowered and then the newbies chase them because they get killed so badly by said weapon.

I was doing this hoping Amarr HAV would come out. I had 6 Million Saved up to proto it day 1, and has been saving it since December.

In the end I couldn't wait and skilled into my HAV a bit more.

Wish I had never done that.

You shall have your glorious chariot some day, brother.

Some day.

" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III

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Atiim NoGameNoLife 9629	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:11:00 - [1] - Quote When determining how under or overpowered an item might be, what areas do you look for? What questions do you ask yourself? -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10882	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:12:00 - [2] - Quote Atiim wrote: When determining how under or overpowered an item might be, what areas do you look for? What questions do you ask yourself? Is it Amarrian and if not how can I get it nerfed. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 539	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:19:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: When determining how under or overpowered an item might be, what areas do you look for? What questions do you ask yourself? Is it Amarrian and if not how can I get it nerfed. LOL Or if it is amarrian... True Adamance wrote: Amarr scout needs a huge buff! I think if we gave it the ability to dual wield HMG's it would be balanced! Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9630	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:20:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Is it Amarrian and if not how can I get it nerfed. No, it's actually all of the races. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10888	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:21:00 - [5] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: When determining how under or overpowered an item might be, what areas do you look for? What questions do you ask yourself? Is it Amarrian and if not how can I get it nerfed. LOL Or if it is amarrian... True Adamance wrote: Amarr scout needs a huge buff! I think if we gave it the ability to dual wield HMG's it would be balanced! Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. Pffff I know that is a forgery. I would never suggest buffing an Amarrian suit in anyway that would also benefit in any conceivable way the MINMATAR or their HEAVY WEAPONS! " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 539	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:24:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: LOL Or if it is amarrian... True Adamance wrote: Amarr scout needs a huge buff! I think if we gave it the ability to dual wield HMG's it would be balanced! Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. Pffff I know that is a forgery. I would never suggest buffing an Amarrian suit in anyway that would also benefit in any conceivable way the MINMATAR or their HEAVY WEAPONS! Hmmm stumped me there Oh i think i made a typo. This is the actual quote: True Adamance wrote: Amarr scout needs a huge buff! I think if we gave it the ability to dual wield scrambler HMG's it would be balanced! Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10888	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:26:00 - [7] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: True Adamance wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: LOL Or if it is amarrian... True Adamance wrote: Amarr scout needs a huge buff! I think if we gave it the ability to dual wield HMG's it would be balanced! Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. Pffff I know that is a forgery. I would never suggest buffing an Amarrian suit in anyway that would also benefit in any conceivable way the MINMATAR or their HEAVY WEAPONS! Hmmm stumped me there Oh i think i made a typo. This is the actual quote: True Adamance wrote: Amarr scout needs a huge buff! I think if we gave it the ability to dual wield scrambler HMG's it would be balanced! Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. A much more accurate slander attempt. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Michael Arck 4754	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:27:00 - [8] - Quote Great question. I would like to see some answers on this. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1892	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:28:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Is it Amarrian and if not how can I get it nerfed. No, it's actually all of the races. If it's Minmatar, needs more slaves working on it to reduce quality and effectiveness. If it's Gallente, needs more attractive women to distract the workers during manufacturing. If it's Caldari, needs more bribe money to make their items more effective. If it's Amarr, then our faith won't stop us from bringing forth justice and spreading the light of our will. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Michael Arck 4754	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:32:00 - [10] - Quote I'm surprised this thread isn't doing numbers yet. The GD population are "experts" in the buff and nerf, yet cannot answer this question. The "experts" must not be online now. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10890	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:33:00 - [11] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Is it Amarrian and if not how can I get it nerfed. No, it's actually all of the races. If it's Minmatar, needs more slaves working on it to reduce quality and effectiveness. If it's Gallente, needs more attractive women to distract the workers during manufacturing. If it's Caldari, needs more bribe money to make their items more effective. If it's Amarr, beautiful bikini clad Golden Women produce only the finest arms and armaments for our seriously studly soldiers and staggeringly sexy soldierettes. Fixed it " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
deezy dabest Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers 645	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:34:00 - [12] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Great question. I would like to see some answers on this. I only look for weapons that kill me insanely fast no matter which of my suits I am wearing or who is using them. Aside from that I look at if a weapon over performs outside of its optimal range. The game is really about strategy and picking your weapon based on where you want to engage from plays a huge role in that. If a weapon kills you the same at 20m as it does at 60m i would definitely call it over powered. I am very reserved in using the words overpowered as I do not know what proficiency or how many dmg mods they are running. Alot of the OP trends are made worse by the guys that intentionally keep back millions of SP just to go prof 5 in the weapon that became slightly overpowered and then the newbies chase them because they get killed so badly by said weapon. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10890	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:38:00 - [13] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Great question. I would like to see some answers on this. I only look for weapons that kill me insanely fast no matter which of my suits I am wearing or who is using them. Aside from that I look at if a weapon over performs outside of its optimal range. The game is really about strategy and picking your weapon based on where you want to engage from plays a huge role in that. If a weapon kills you the same at 20m as it does at 60m i would definitely call it over powered. I am very reserved in using the words overpowered as I do not know what proficiency or how many dmg mods they are running. Alot of the OP trends are made worse by the guys that intentionally keep back millions of SP just to go prof 5 in the weapon that became slightly overpowered and then the newbies chase them because they get killed so badly by said weapon. I was doing this hoping Amarr HAV would come out. I had 6 Million Saved up to proto it day 1, and has been saving it since December. In the end I couldn't wait and skilled into my HAV a bit more. Wish I had never done that. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Humble Seeker Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 135	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:50:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Great question. I would like to see some answers on this. I only look for weapons that kill me insanely fast no matter which of my suits I am wearing or who is using them. Aside from that I look at if a weapon over performs outside of its optimal range. The game is really about strategy and picking your weapon based on where you want to engage from plays a huge role in that. If a weapon kills you the same at 20m as it does at 60m i would definitely call it over powered. I am very reserved in using the words overpowered as I do not know what proficiency or how many dmg mods they are running. Alot of the OP trends are made worse by the guys that intentionally keep back millions of SP just to go prof 5 in the weapon that became slightly overpowered and then the newbies chase them because they get killed so badly by said weapon. I was doing this hoping Amarr HAV would come out. I had 6 Million Saved up to proto it day 1, and has been saving it since December. In the end I couldn't wait and skilled into my HAV a bit more. Wish I had never done that. You shall have your glorious chariot some day, brother. Some day. "Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10891	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:52:00 - [15] - Quote Humble Seeker wrote: True Adamance wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Great question. I would like to see some answers on this. I only look for weapons that kill me insanely fast no matter which of my suits I am wearing or who is using them. Aside from that I look at if a weapon over performs outside of its optimal range. The game is really about strategy and picking your weapon based on where you want to engage from plays a huge role in that. If a weapon kills you the same at 20m as it does at 60m i would definitely call it over powered. I am very reserved in using the words overpowered as I do not know what proficiency or how many dmg mods they are running. Alot of the OP trends are made worse by the guys that intentionally keep back millions of SP just to go prof 5 in the weapon that became slightly overpowered and then the newbies chase them because they get killed so badly by said weapon. I was doing this hoping Amarr HAV would come out. I had 6 Million Saved up to proto it day 1, and has been saving it since December. In the end I couldn't wait and skilled into my HAV a bit more. Wish I had never done that. You shall have your glorious chariot some day, brother. Some day. Thankyou. My suffering has been long indeed. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1894	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:55:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Thankyou. My suffering has been long indeed. I want my Amarr ADS as much, if not more than, the Amarr HAV now. With you on the ground and I in the air above, we shall bring forth a new wave of enlightenment! "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
deezy dabest Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers 648	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:59:00 - [17] - Quote Harpyja wrote: True Adamance wrote: Thankyou. My suffering has been long indeed. I want my Amarr ADS as much, if not more than, the Amarr HAV now. With you on the ground and I in the air above, we shall bring forth a new wave of enlightenment! It is the thought of getting to see this while I storm in with my templar heavy wielding my heavy laser array dispatching the minmatar scum from our lands that keeps me going. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3636	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:59:00 - [18] - Quote Nerf that heavy turn speed because mlt gear should be viable vs them. Nerf the damage as well, 5 DPS at 100 RPM. Make it so heavies have to deploy to fire. Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked. Tanks should be removed. Logis should die in one shot and be unable to use any weapons. We should get paid 5 mil isk per match. Injectors should be banned. Re's should replace grenades and get fused variants. Anyone who can afford aurum is a cheater and should be burnt at the stake. Academy should be a room with an invincible, 99% delay reduced, infinite uplink. Newbs spawn on it and 1 vet with a hmg gets to now them down for 15 mins repeatedly. Once completed, they gain a certificate that is stamped gjr approved and has written on it HTFU. To really drive this home and improve npe, matchmaking should always place vets vs newbs. Bahlunce The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1895	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:02:00 - [19] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked. That made me laugh so hard! +1 "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
deezy dabest Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers 648	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:06:00 - [20] - Quote Where are all the IT KILLS ME TOO MANY TIMES posts? What about the IT KILLS ME AS SOON AS I TURN TO RUN AWAY posts? This thread is not delivering expected levels of tears. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10895	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:10:00 - [21] - Quote Harpyja wrote: True Adamance wrote: Thankyou. My suffering has been long indeed. I want my Amarr ADS as much, if not more than, the Amarr HAV now. With you on the ground and I in the air above, we shall bring forth a new wave of enlightenment! I feel for you Brother Pilot. May St Wolfman of Devdom deliver unto us the light of JUSTICE! " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1895	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:11:00 - [22] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Where are all the IT KILLS ME TOO MANY TIMES posts? What about the IT KILLS ME AS SOON AS I TURN TO RUN AWAY posts? This thread is not delivering expected levels of tears. THOSE DAMN HEAVIES KILL ME EACH TIME I TRY TO HUG THEM! QQ TEARS WTFBBQSAUCENERF "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Assault Swarm Launcher Caldari State 165	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:12:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I feel for you Brother Pilot. May St Wolfman of Devdom deliver unto us the light of JUSTICE! So basically carry you off to Doomhiem? That's pretty much the only way he'd be delivering justice here. "Chances are I'm going to kill you or replace you with something new..." -CCP Logibro
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10895	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:13:00 - [24] - Quote Assault Swarm Launcher wrote: True Adamance wrote: I feel for you Brother Pilot. May St Wolfman of Devdom deliver unto us the light of JUSTICE! So basically carry you off to Doomhiem? That's pretty much the only way he'd be delivering justice here. To all the thread. Get on your knees your EZ Mode scrubs, a real New Eden Legend walks amongst us! " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III


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