DUST Search - Hotfix Charlie Sidearms (spreadsheet inside)

BL4CKST4R wrote:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XLKQOSker6X38Flzxd8EzLcNIPKdi9E2xOO0xO8DM2c/edit?usp=sharing

Sidearms are a pretty unbalanced aspect in Dust 514. Some sidearms are or were so powerful that they took the place of Light weapons, while others are so useless that you are better off running without a sidearm. Going by my spreadsheet pistols have higher DPS than SMGs but SMGs have a higher damage per clip.

Another imbalanced aspect of sidearms is pistols versus submachine guns. In my opinion a pistol should have a higher DPS than a submachine gun but be more specific in usage, while a submachine gun should be a bit more of a generalist weapon.

Also range v DPS should also apply to side arms, meaning that the DPS scale should go Gallente (at highest) - Minmatar - Amarr - Caldari (at lowest) while the range scale would be the inverse.

Spreadsheet v.1 suggested changes:

>Equalized the range of the Bolt Pistol (45M), Magsec SMG (40M), and the Ion Pistol (24M)
>Bolt pistol received a 5% Damage increase
>Magsec SMG received a 5% Damage reduction (recoil should be slightly decreased to compensate)
>Ion Pistol received a 25% Damage increase
>Ion Pistol received a +4 clip increase
>Ion Pistol should overheat at around 80% or enough so 3-4 shots will overheat it after the charged shot.
>~~Submachine gun received a 5% Damage increase (no changes to variants yet)~~
>Equalized the blast radius of the flaylock pistol tiers to 1.50 meters

Spreadsheet v.2 suggested changes:

>Increased direct damage of the Flaylock pistol by ~~~40% (272, 285, 300)~~ ~32% (245, 257, 270)
>Some changes to the Assault Scrambler pistol (not final need range values) ROF set to 350 but damage lowered.
>Increased Magsec SMG so its DPS is only 2% lower not 5% lower.

Spreadsheet v.3 suggested changes:
>Removed the SMG damage buff of 5% because the SMG is pretty awesome as it is
>Gave the Scrambler pistols equal range values
>Buffed the Breach scrambler pistol by around 20% and gave it a range of 40 so its more of a long range pistol not short range
>Gave the Assault scrambler pistol a range of 28M and a small DPS reduction (5%), but the ROF is increased to 350.
>Increased ROF of the Scrambler pistol to 300, damage reduced accordingly NO DPS CHANGE.
>Increased ROF of the Breach SMG to 720 range set at 32M.
>Increased and equalized Range of SMG to 28M
>Reduced and equalized Range of Assault SMG to 24M.
>Increased clip of the Bolt pistol by +2.
>Reduced the clip of the Breach SMG to 54.

Feedback greatly appreciated along with range values for M209 Assault submachine gun, Boundless Breach SMG, Ishukone Assault SMG, TT-3 Assault Scrambler, TY-5 Breach Scrambler, and the Carthum Assault Scrambler.


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Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 103	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:45:00 - [1] - Quote leave the SMG as it is as i sometimes have to use it as a replacement light weapon with lower range and lower pg/cpu cost because I AM A LOGI and some load-outs are just IMPOSSIBRU with out the Assault SMG for personal defense. and yes all weapons may seem like sidearms but there is a big difference between the PISTOL types and SMG types the ion pistol needs lower thermal exhausting after firing a charged shot or else its time to die waiting that 3+ seconds the scrambler.. seems in line with the scrambler rifle tho maybe slightly less Damage per shot Bolt pistol cannot comment as i have not used it yet but have died to it.. ONCE.. as it seems no one uses it hardly ever flaylock need some buffing and love in many areas magsec.. due to being the slightly higher dps smg type weapon and longer range it could do with a scope instead of iron sights, and maybe less kick and slightly less dispersal since its a rail type weapon where if you use RR you know you get hardly any kick/dispersal at all which is also the drawback at close range. SMG.. fine as it is and also requires alot more SP to keep up with the magsec (ie to lower dispersal), breach SMG needs a slight dmg or ROF buff as i don't think any one uses that type at all due to its lacking in dps/stopping power Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 103	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:47:00 - [2] - Quote why not give the scrambler and Ion a burst fire variant ( a bit like their light weapon counterparts) think M93R or burst fire GLock17/18 normal varient scrambler pistol should have a version where it can do a charged shot too like its daddy the ScR Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 103	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:50:00 - [3] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XLKQOSker6X38Flzxd8EzLcNIPKdi9E2xOO0xO8DM2c/edit?usp=sharing Sidearms are a pretty unbalanced aspect in Dust 514. Some sidearms are or were so powerful that they took the place of Light weapons, while others are so useless that you are better off running without a sidearm. Going by my spreadsheet pistols have higher DPS than SMGs but SMGs have a higher damage per clip. Another imbalanced aspect of sidearms is pistols versus submachine guns. In my opinion a pistol should have a higher DPS than a submachine gun but be more specific in usage, while a submachine gun should be a bit more of a generalist weapon. Also range v DPS should also apply to side arms, meaning that the DPS scale should go Gallente (at highest) - Minmatar - Amarr - Caldari (at lowest) while the range scale would be the inverse. Spreadsheet v.1 suggested changes: >Equalized the range of the Bolt Pistol (45M), Magsec SMG (40M), and the Ion Pistol (24M) >Bolt pistol received a 5% Damage increase >Magsec SMG received a 5% Damage reduction (recoil should be slightly decreased to compensate) >Ion Pistol received a 25% Damage increase >Ion Pistol received a +4 clip increase >Ion Pistol should overheat at around 80% or enough so 3-4 shots will overheat it after the charged shot. >~~Submachine gun received a 5% Damage increase (no changes to variants yet)~~ >Equalized the blast radius of the flaylock pistol tiers to 1.50 meters Spreadsheet v.2 suggested changes: >Increased direct damage of the Flaylock pistol by ~~~40% (272, 285, 300)~~ ~32% (245, 257, 270) >Some changes to the Assault Scrambler pistol (not final need range values) ROF set to 350 but damage lowered. >Increased Magsec SMG so its DPS is only 2% lower not 5% lower. Spreadsheet v.3 suggested changes: >Removed the SMG damage buff of 5% because the SMG is pretty awesome as it is >Gave the Scrambler pistols equal range values >Buffed the Breach scrambler pistol by around 20% and gave it a range of 40 so its more of a long range pistol not short range >Gave the Assault scrambler pistol a range of 28M and a small DPS reduction (5%), but the ROF is increased to 350. >Increased ROF of the Scrambler pistol to 300, damage reduced accordingly NO DPS CHANGE. >Increased ROF of the Breach SMG to 720 range set at 32M. >Increased and equalized Range of SMG to 28M >Reduced and equalized Range of Assault SMG to 24M. >Increased clip of the Bolt pistol by +2. >Reduced the clip of the Breach SMG to 54. Feedback greatly appreciated along with range values for M209 Assault submachine gun, Boundless Breach SMG, Ishukone Assault SMG, TT-3 Assault Scrambler, TY-5 Breach Scrambler, and the Carthum Assault Scrambler. you claim gallente should have highest dps and yet scrambler Rifle vastly out-dps's AR by like 2x at standard level Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun