DUST Search - the only thing OP or UP is....

Thokk Nightshade wrote:

Seymour KrelbornX wrote:

you the player.

my main is seymor krelborn, go look at his stats. I'm not the worst or the best player but I have found a viable counter to every fit and vehicle in the game.

the only thing that determines whether or not I win an engagement is me and my opponents skill.

the only exception to this is bad hit detection or other bugs.

it has become all to apparent to me that when someone cries that something is OP it's usually due to that individual trying to solve every problem they face with one fit, or one style of play.

this fact is exacerbated by the majority of the vocal player base's over inflated assessment of their own ability.

now I'm not saying things don't need to be tweaked, like heavies turning to fast or hmg heat, or assault class bonuses, tanks, dropships... I get nothing is perfect but I also understand it never will be, because its the player using whatever gear that ultimately determines how effective it is.

I feel that some of you are simply being bested by better players, or are falling for old tricks ( like a remote on a capture point).
some of you don't value the creativity of other players, "not using something as intended" (with some exception) is part of what makes the new eden universe unique, and it adds a deeper level of game play that "rock, paper, scissors" will never have.

I hope ccp Rattati is aware of this.... I hope we can break the endless chain of nerf/buff that killed dust to begin with, and first ask if there are proper counter measures for every situation... I know there are...

I have seen teams get slaughtered by tanks because they don't bring out their own tanks, AV, even a jihad jeep...

I have seen teams get decimated by heavies because they want to charge head first into them with rifles and scout suits, instead of getting out the heavy suits and logis, or set traps with remotes at choke points where they heavy is sure to push.

I have basicly seen a team lose to any situation you can encounter because the other team doesn't pull out the right gear for the situation....

when was the last time you were in a pub and used the team chat instead of squad chat? theres one of your best weapons and no one uses it...

or how often have you been in a match where either your team or theirs has way to many new players still shooting at the mcc?
of course in a match like that anything a seasoned player uses will seem OP....

PC is a different issue... and I remember when all of the best players were still here, you hardly ever heard them screaming nerf/buff... it was mostly about exploits and bugs....

I for one am sick of nerf/buff and in all my time playing I have only seen it weaken this game's core gameplay...

o7

I think you lost 90% of the people on this forum when you used the word "exacerbated". Actually, I'll give the forum people a little more credit; 75% of them. Smile


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Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 75	Posted - 2014.06.18 01:20:00 - [1] - Quote you the player. my main is seymor krelborn, go look at his stats. I'm not the worst or the best player but I have found a viable counter to every fit and vehicle in the game. the only thing that determines whether or not I win an engagement is me and my opponents skill. the only exception to this is bad hit detection or other bugs. it has become all to apparent to me that when someone cries that something is OP it's usually due to that individual trying to solve every problem they face with one fit, or one style of play. this fact is exacerbated by the majority of the vocal player base's over inflated assessment of their own ability. now I'm not saying things don't need to be tweaked, like heavies turning to fast or hmg heat, or assault class bonuses, tanks, dropships... I get nothing is perfect but I also understand it never will be, because its the player using whatever gear that ultimately determines how effective it is. I feel that some of you are simply being bested by better players, or are falling for old tricks ( like a remote on a capture point). some of you don't value the creativity of other players, "not using something as intended" (with some exception) is part of what makes the new eden universe unique, and it adds a deeper level of game play that "rock, paper, scissors" will never have. I hope ccp Rattati is aware of this.... I hope we can break the endless chain of nerf/buff that killed dust to begin with, and first ask if there are proper counter measures for every situation... I know there are... I have seen teams get slaughtered by tanks because they don't bring out their own tanks, AV, even a jihad jeep... I have seen teams get decimated by heavies because they want to charge head first into them with rifles and scout suits, instead of getting out the heavy suits and logis, or set traps with remotes at choke points where they heavy is sure to push. I have basicly seen a team lose to any situation you can encounter because the other team doesn't pull out the right gear for the situation.... when was the last time you were in a pub and used the team chat instead of squad chat? theres one of your best weapons and no one uses it... or how often have you been in a match where either your team or theirs has way to many new players still shooting at the mcc? of course in a match like that anything a seasoned player uses will seem OP.... PC is a different issue... and I remember when all of the best players were still here, you hardly ever heard them screaming nerf/buff... it was mostly about exploits and bugs.... I for one am sick of nerf/buff and in all my time playing I have only seen it weaken this game's core gameplay... o7
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 76	Posted - 2014.06.18 04:12:00 - [2] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: you the player. my main is seymor krelborn, go look at his stats. I'm not the worst or the best player but I have found a viable counter to every fit and vehicle in the game. the only thing that determines whether or not I win an engagement is me and my opponents skill. the only exception to this is bad hit detection or other bugs. it has become all to apparent to me that when someone cries that something is OP it's usually due to that individual trying to solve every problem they face with one fit, or one style of play. this fact is exacerbated by the majority of the vocal player base's over inflated assessment of their own ability. now I'm not saying things don't need to be tweaked, like heavies turning to fast or hmg heat, or assault class bonuses, tanks, dropships... I get nothing is perfect but I also understand it never will be, because its the player using whatever gear that ultimately determines how effective it is. I feel that some of you are simply being bested by better players, or are falling for old tricks ( like a remote on a capture point). some of you don't value the creativity of other players, "not using something as intended" (with some exception) is part of what makes the new eden universe unique, and it adds a deeper level of game play that "rock, paper, scissors" will never have. I hope ccp Rattati is aware of this.... I hope we can break the endless chain of nerf/buff that killed dust to begin with, and first ask if there are proper counter measures for every situation... I know there are... I have seen teams get slaughtered by tanks because they don't bring out their own tanks, AV, even a jihad jeep... I have seen teams get decimated by heavies because they want to charge head first into them with rifles and scout suits, instead of getting out the heavy suits and logis, or set traps with remotes at choke points where they heavy is sure to push. I have basicly seen a team lose to any situation you can encounter because the other team doesn't pull out the right gear for the situation.... when was the last time you were in a pub and used the team chat instead of squad chat? theres one of your best weapons and no one uses it... or how often have you been in a match where either your team or theirs has way to many new players still shooting at the mcc? of course in a match like that anything a seasoned player uses will seem OP.... PC is a different issue... and I remember when all of the best players were still here, you hardly ever heard them screaming nerf/buff... it was mostly about exploits and bugs.... I for one am sick of nerf/buff and in all my time playing I have only seen it weaken this game's core gameplay... o7 I think you lost 90% of the people on this forum when you used the word "exacerbated". Actually, I'll give the forum people a little more credit; 75% of them. I have more faith in the communities intelligence... I only question their judgment....
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 86	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:02:00 - [3] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: While I agree that there is some truth in what you say, I largely disagree. There have been things UP and OP in the game. STD and MLT swarms currently is one example. There is no strategy or tactic that makes them viable against a tank, the only solution is not to use them. That is UP. In PC what you see is everybody running the most OP fittings at the time. There is little variation and many things just aren't seen. If people don't complain about it, it is just because they are using it. Yes, people often complain about things that really are just them failing to adapt or wanting everybody to play they want them to play, but there are legitimate balance issues in the game. Currently though I would say that there is not too much to complain about. you are absolutely right there are legitimate balance issues. most of which have ben created in the first place by the endless nerf/buff cycle. swarms are a great example of this... they used to be fine until they got nerfed and tanks got buffed... many weapons in the game had been nerfed and buffed long before ccp fixed hit boxes and hit detection, resulting in more nerf/buff afterwards... kind of backwards, right? I have been playing since the first day of open beta, if you have been playing at least as long as me then you must see how ccp has tried hopelessly to balance the game through nerf/buff while overlooking core issues that were the real problem. people complain enough and ccp makes a sweeping change using their nerf bat when the problem actually required a scalpel. I see it in the forums now with remotes and heavies and you best believe the AR QQ is gonna come back as well.... you said it yourself, there isn't much to complain about now... well I say there never was, if we are talking about gear. the problems have always been bugs, exploits, and a handful of balancing issues that required and require a finer instrument to fix them then the nerf bat.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 87	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:50:00 - [4] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Ok, so when everyone runs a CR we will truly know who the better players are? we would truly know who the best CR users are... yes... but a CR isn't the right tool for every job. a CR cant kill a tank, and one CR cant best a skilled heavy, nor can it kill a skilled shotty scout that you never saw behind you. and good luck killing that thale's sniper in the redline with a CR... or a merc who knows how to use the AR, I've killed plenty of CR users with a duvolle...
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 87	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:16:00 - [5] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: You have found a viable counter to matchmaking? Check & mate yes! leave the battle and join another! bishop takes queen.