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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 489	Posted - 2014.06.17 03:13:00 - [1] - Quote Would implementing a rotation speed nerf for heavy frames be possible? If this was implemented, without interfering with aiming until the player tries to rapidly spin around, I feel it would go a long way into balancing heavies, as it allows assaults with short ranged weapons (inside HMG range) and scouts to counter a tactic known as "Heavy Spam", which is just simply putting out the maximum number of heavies with a few logis mixed in, as possible. If it is possible, I would highly recommend it over other balancing (other than a slight HMG range nerf of, say, 20%), as well as your proposed overheat idea. Overall, with these implemented, the scouts would be on par with HMG heavies, and assaults would be a lot easier to balance. Thanks in advance for a response, if I'm not on if/when you do respond!! o7 -Gav What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1944	Posted - 2014.06.17 03:23:00 - [2] - Quote Rotation Speed Breakdown: Heavy Frame = Med Frame = Light Frame Sentinel+Plates(x4) = Scout+KinCats(x4) Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm trying to time these with a stopwatch but if there is a difference it's so tiny I don't think it's feasibly possible to time with human methods. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 489	Posted - 2014.06.17 03:26:00 - [3] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Rotation Speed Breakdown: Heavy Frame = Med Frame = Light Frame Sentinel+Plates(x4) = Scout+KinCats(x4) Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm trying to time these with a stopwatch but if there is a difference it's so tiny I don't think it's feasibly possible to time with human methods. yeah, sounds accurate. Balanced? Thats a question only the community can answer, with a cacophony of "Yes!" from heavies, and a huge "No!" from everyone else EDIT: I also hope that this isn't a "stupid idea" What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1944	Posted - 2014.06.17 03:32:00 - [4] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: EDIT: I also hope that this isn't a "stupid idea" Haven't seen +50% to KinCats anywhere in here yet. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1425	Posted - 2014.06.17 04:44:00 - [5] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Rotation Speed Breakdown: Heavy Frame = Med Frame = Light Frame Sentinel+Plates(x4) = Scout+KinCats(x4) Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm trying to time these with a stopwatch but if there is a difference it's so tiny I don't think it's feasibly possible to time with human methods. yeah, sounds accurate. Balanced? Thats a question only the community can answer, with a cacophony of "Yes!" from heavies, and a huge "No!" from everyone else EDIT: I also hope that this isn't a "stupid idea" Ironically enough I'm in favor of the plates reducing turn speed I thought that they were doing it already. Any more mud you wanna sling? Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 665	Posted - 2014.06.17 05:01:00 - [6] - Quote shoot them at range with a rr or a breach ar md or blow them up with re
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1138	Posted - 2014.06.17 06:34:00 - [7] - Quote Differences in turn radius make some logical sense and I could go with a mild change. Conceptually heavy things moving slower feels right but it might a touchy problem. Honestly, Heavies with no turn speed limitations aren't that bad of an idea to me. A heavy has a decent shot at tanking the shotgun scout and being able to at least pull the trigger on his weapon. Medium frame suits certainly do not. If you cut too deep into the heavies...well, then it will be official the only things anyone need to run are Scout, HAV, and ADS. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 493	Posted - 2014.06.17 11:05:00 - [8] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: EDIT: I also hope that this isn't a "stupid idea" Haven't seen +50% to KinCats anywhere in here yet. the new number is 35 What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
Cyrus Grevare WarRavens Final Resolution. 227	Posted - 2014.06.17 16:48:00 - [9] - Quote Armor plates with a movement penalty do affect turning and strafing speed, a 4 stacked sentinel does turn slower than a no plated scout, but the difference is minimal to notice as we all painfully know. Ex: Enhanced Armor Plates Relevant attributes being: mCharProp.movementRun.strafeSpeedScale mCharProp.movementRun.turningSpeedScale All suits have a BASE speed, then for each movement type a scale value that modifies the speed accordingly: Scout ck.0 Ground Speed [ 5.45 ] mCharProp.movementCrouch.groundSpeedScale [ 0.3 ] effective [ 1.63 m/s ] mCharProp.movementFreeWalk.groundSpeedScale [ 0.35 ] effective [ 1.90 m/s ] mCharProp.movementRun.groundSpeedScale [ 1.0 ] effective [ 5.45 m/s ] mCharProp.movementRun.strafeSpeedScale [ 0.9 ] effective [ 4.90 m/s ] mCharProp.movementSprint.groundSpeedScale [ 1.4 ] effective [ 7.63 m/s ] I don't see any mCharProp.x.turningSpeedScale on the suits, but might be an SDE bug. www.protofits.com - a Dust 514 fitting tool
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 493	Posted - 2014.06.17 20:52:00 - [10] - Quote Cyrus Grevare wrote: Armor plates with a movement penalty do affect turning and strafing speed, a 4 stacked sentinel does turn slower than a no plated scout, but the difference is minimal to notice as we all painfully know. Ex: Enhanced Armor Plates Relevant attributes being: mCharProp.movementRun.strafeSpeedScale mCharProp.movementRun.turningSpeedScale All suits have a BASE speed, then for each movement type a scale value that modifies the speed accordingly: Scout ck.0 Ground Speed [ 5.45 ] mCharProp.movementCrouch.groundSpeedScale [ 0.3 ] effective [ 1.63 m/s ] mCharProp.movementFreeWalk.groundSpeedScale [ 0.35 ] effective [ 1.90 m/s ] mCharProp.movementRun.groundSpeedScale [ 1.0 ] effective [ 5.45 m/s ] mCharProp.movementRun.strafeSpeedScale [ 0.9 ] effective [ 4.90 m/s ] mCharProp.movementSprint.groundSpeedScale [ 1.4 ] effective [ 7.63 m/s ] I don't see any mCharProp.x.turningSpeedScale on the suits, but might be an SDE bug. False: Rattati confirmed that plates have no penalty, so please do a fact check What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...

Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 493	Posted - 2014.06.17 20:53:00 - [11] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Rotation Speed Breakdown: Heavy Frame = Med Frame = Light Frame Sentinel+Plates(x4) = Scout+KinCats(x4) Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'm trying to time these with a stopwatch but if there is a difference it's so tiny I don't think it's feasibly possible to time with human methods. yeah, sounds accurate. Balanced? Thats a question only the community can answer, with a cacophony of "Yes!" from heavies, and a huge "No!" from everyone else EDIT: I also hope that this isn't a "stupid idea" Ironically enough I'm in favor of the plates reducing turn speed I thought that they were doing it already. Any more mud you wanna sling? Sick bro, you're awesome. What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...


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