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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.14 00:34:00 -
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With Legion taking on a different progression spectrum, hypothetically we'd need a neutral academy suit (since we choose the racial bits later on).
So while it's not an official design and it's ENTIRELY based on speculation, I figured why not run a little community activity to where players can pitch their ideas for what it should look like and artists could draw up some concepts for the Academy Suit.
The design will be aimed at new players and veterans alike, offering something that looks cool but adhering to traditional New Eden styles. This means that while it can borrow some aspects of the established races, it shouldn't look -too much- like them. Color palette will likely be whites, grays, and blacks to attribute to the neutrality aspect.
Some considerations we'd like to look at when designing this puppy are:
What could make this suit distinctive from the rest?
What type of accessories should it have?
What does it -LOOK- like it would offer on the battlefield that is unique to it?
What in-game NPC corporation would have had their hand in it's design?
Feel free to throw in any of your suggestions on this!
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Mobius Wyvern
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.06.14 00:36:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:With Legion taking on a different progression spectrum, hypothetically we'd need a neutral academy suit (since we choose the racial bits later on). So while it's not an official design and it's ENTIRELY based on speculation, I figured why not run a little community activity to where players can pitch their ideas for what it should look like and artists could draw up some concepts for the Academy Suit. The design will be aimed at new players and veterans alike, offering something that looks cool but adhering to traditional New Eden styles. This means that while it can borrow some aspects of the established races, it shouldn't look -too much- like them. Color palette will likely be whites, grays, and blacks to attribute to the neutrality aspect. Some considerations we'd like to look at when designing this puppy are: What could make this suit distinctive from the rest?
What type of accessories should it have?
What does it -LOOK- like it would offer on the battlefield that is unique to it?
What in-game NPC corporation would have had their hand in it's design?
Feel free to throw in any of your suggestions on this! What faction would we be starting with? For example, Valkyrie players are introduced amid the lore of the Guristas, and since Mordu's Legion was the first company to start mass producing the technology, why not have new players start with them?
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
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Posted - 2014.06.14 00:38:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:With Legion taking on a different progression spectrum, hypothetically we'd need a neutral academy suit (since we choose the racial bits later on). So while it's not an official design and it's ENTIRELY based on speculation, I figured why not run a little community activity to where players can pitch their ideas for what it should look like and artists could draw up some concepts for the Academy Suit. The design will be aimed at new players and veterans alike, offering something that looks cool but adhering to traditional New Eden styles. This means that while it can borrow some aspects of the established races, it shouldn't look -too much- like them. Color palette will likely be whites, grays, and blacks to attribute to the neutrality aspect. Some considerations we'd like to look at when designing this puppy are: What could make this suit distinctive from the rest?
What type of accessories should it have?
What does it -LOOK- like it would offer on the battlefield that is unique to it?
What in-game NPC corporation would have had their hand in it's design?
Feel free to throw in any of your suggestions on this! What faction would we be starting with? For example, Valkyrie players are introduced amid the lore of the Guristas, and since Mordu's Legion was the first company to start mass producing the technology, why not have new players start with them?
Seeing that the empires does it now that would make 0 sense.
The new progression Z has thought up makes 0 sense............
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
6054
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Posted - 2014.06.14 00:40:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:With Legion taking on a different progression spectrum, hypothetically we'd need a neutral academy suit (since we choose the racial bits later on). So while it's not an official design and it's ENTIRELY based on speculation, I figured why not run a little community activity to where players can pitch their ideas for what it should look like and artists could draw up some concepts for the Academy Suit. The design will be aimed at new players and veterans alike, offering something that looks cool but adhering to traditional New Eden styles. This means that while it can borrow some aspects of the established races, it shouldn't look -too much- like them. Color palette will likely be whites, grays, and blacks to attribute to the neutrality aspect. Some considerations we'd like to look at when designing this puppy are: What could make this suit distinctive from the rest?
What type of accessories should it have?
What does it -LOOK- like it would offer on the battlefield that is unique to it?
What in-game NPC corporation would have had their hand in it's design?
Feel free to throw in any of your suggestions on this! What faction would we be starting with? For example, Valkyrie players are introduced amid the lore of the Guristas, and since Mordu's Legion was the first company to start mass producing the technology, why not have new players start with them? Seeing that the empires does it now that would make 0 sense. The new progression Z has thought up makes 0 sense............
And even if that's your opinion, it has nothing to do with this thread
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Adelia Lafayette
WarRavens Final Resolution.
800
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Posted - 2014.06.14 00:42:00 -
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concord militia suit
Assault dropship gets blown up....
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
8767
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Posted - 2014.06.14 00:49:00 -
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http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/2995/3267/newHeader.jpg
This could be one example.
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
2600
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Posted - 2014.06.14 00:50:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:With Legion taking on a different progression spectrum, hypothetically we'd need a neutral academy suit (since we choose the racial bits later on). So while it's not an official design and it's ENTIRELY based on speculation, I figured why not run a little community activity to where players can pitch their ideas for what it should look like and artists could draw up some concepts for the Academy Suit. The design will be aimed at new players and veterans alike, offering something that looks cool but adhering to traditional New Eden styles. This means that while it can borrow some aspects of the established races, it shouldn't look -too much- like them. Color palette will likely be whites, grays, and blacks to attribute to the neutrality aspect. Some considerations we'd like to look at when designing this puppy are: What could make this suit distinctive from the rest?
What type of accessories should it have?
What does it -LOOK- like it would offer on the battlefield that is unique to it?
What in-game NPC corporation would have had their hand in it's design?
Feel free to throw in any of your suggestions on this! What faction would we be starting with? For example, Valkyrie players are introduced amid the lore of the Guristas, and since Mordu's Legion was the first company to start mass producing the technology, why not have new players start with them? Seeing that the empires does it now that would make 0 sense. The new progression Z has thought up makes 0 sense............ And even if that's your opinion, it has nothing to do with this thread
Yes it does, and read my edit.
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
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Posted - 2014.06.14 00:51:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/2995/3267/newHeader.jpg
This could be one example.
Those are Caldari suits iirc
I'm not wearing money ***** gear............
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
6054
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Posted - 2014.06.14 01:05:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:
Yes it does, and read my edit.
Stay within the confines of the thread. Neutral Academy Suit. Not that hard.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
8767
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Posted - 2014.06.14 01:06:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/2995/3267/newHeader.jpg
This could be one example. Those are Caldari suits iirc I'm not wearing money ***** gear............
Maybe, but that doesn't mean we can't simply change them to become trainee suits. CCP can just update the lore and say that a Caldari corp has given the design of these 'outmoded' suits away for the neutral academy to mass produce for their trainees.
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
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Posted - 2014.06.14 01:08:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/2995/3267/newHeader.jpg
This could be one example. Those are Caldari suits iirc I'm not wearing money ***** gear............ Maybe, but that doesn't mean we can't simply change them to become trainee suits. CCP can just update the lore and say that a Caldari corp has given the design of these 'outmoded' suits away for the neutral academy to mass produce for their trainees.
Again, Empires have their own academies. Why would there be a neutral one?
It makes no sense.
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
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Posted - 2014.06.14 01:09:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Yes it does, and read my edit.
Stay within the confines of the thread. Neutral Academy Suit. Not that hard.
I'm saying that a neutral one doesn't make sense. I am within the confines of the thread. I'm just disagreeing with the idea.
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
6054
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Posted - 2014.06.14 01:12:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Yes it does, and read my edit.
Stay within the confines of the thread. Neutral Academy Suit. Not that hard. I'm saying that a neutral one doesn't make sense. I am within the confines of the thread. I'm just disagreeing with the idea.
Wasn't aware that a fun activity was restricted to making sense in one theory as to the progression of a game that isn't green-lit, doesn't have an alpha build, and largely up in the air as far as design... Set aside all the considerations and just have fun for a second, jeez.
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2014.06.14 01:14:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Yes it does, and read my edit.
Stay within the confines of the thread. Neutral Academy Suit. Not that hard. I'm saying that a neutral one doesn't make sense. I am within the confines of the thread. I'm just disagreeing with the idea. Wasn't aware that a fun activity was restricted to making sense in one theory as to the progression of a game that isn't green-lit, doesn't have an alpha build, and largely up in the air as far as design... Set aside all the considerations and just have fun for a second, jeez.
Things aren't fun to me unless it makes sense. Deal with it
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
8767
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Posted - 2014.06.14 01:41:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/2995/3267/newHeader.jpg
This could be one example. Those are Caldari suits iirc I'm not wearing money ***** gear............ Maybe, but that doesn't mean we can't simply change them to become trainee suits. CCP can just update the lore and say that a Caldari corp has given the design of these 'outmoded' suits away for the neutral academy to mass produce for their trainees. Again, Empires have their own academies. Why would there be a neutral one? It makes no sense.
Eve Online doesn't make sense either. Please tell me how an MMO with submarine physics in space with absolutely no moving planets that stay permanently still in orbit with disproportionately-sized moons and stations, and where a whole station standing between you and your target won't block your shots makes sense. Nothing makes sense in New Eden.
Jokes aside, the best alternative is to just make empire academies just like how Eve players currently have it. But leave it to the players to create their own neutral academies like Eve University and Red vs Blue where players from any race can come in to get their training from there instead. Besides, Capsuleers, Valkyries, and Legionaries make far better instructors than those pathetic empire academies.
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
6054
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Posted - 2014.06.14 02:18:00 -
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Threw this quick concept together based on the following feedback:
Mobius Wyvern wrote: What faction would we be starting with? For example, Valkyrie players are introduced amid the lore of the Guristas, and since Mordu's Legion was the first company to start mass producing the technology, why not have new players start with them?
Maken Tosch wrote:http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/2995/3267/newHeader.jpg
This could be one example.
Will be refining it to make it look a little less scuffed up, more angular, and symmetrical based on current suggestions on Skype
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Mobius Wyvern
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.06.14 02:20:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Threw this quick concept together based on the following feedback: Mobius Wyvern wrote: What faction would we be starting with? For example, Valkyrie players are introduced amid the lore of the Guristas, and since Mordu's Legion was the first company to start mass producing the technology, why not have new players start with them?
Maken Tosch wrote:http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/2995/3267/newHeader.jpg
This could be one example. Will be refining it to make it look a little less scuffed up, more angular, and symmetrical based on current suggestions on Skype Slick!
That would actually fit quite well with an NPE based on starting out with Mordu's Legion training and then graduating to move out into New Eden on your own.
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
6054
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Posted - 2014.06.14 02:24:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Threw this quick concept together based on the following feedback: Mobius Wyvern wrote: What faction would we be starting with? For example, Valkyrie players are introduced amid the lore of the Guristas, and since Mordu's Legion was the first company to start mass producing the technology, why not have new players start with them?
Maken Tosch wrote:http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/2995/3267/newHeader.jpg
This could be one example. Will be refining it to make it look a little less scuffed up, more angular, and symmetrical based on current suggestions on Skype Slick! That would actually fit quite well with an NPE based on starting out with Mordu's Legion training and then graduating to move out into New Eden on your own.
Makes a lot more sense than being put into one of the dozens of faction-based NPC Merc corps too. If everyone came from Mordu's Legion as a mercenary and then went on their own path after a while, it follows the lore. I REALLY like the Mordu's Legion bit a lot and plan on keeping it, at least with my concepts =P
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.14 03:11:00 -
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So, here's the updated version based on current feedback, although it now leaves us with a bit of a predicament.
Some of the feedback is saying to make it look retrofitted, pieced together (hence the exposed wires and what not) BECAUSE it is an Academy suit.
Then again, others say that it should look a bit more refined because Mordu's Legion uses some of the best technology in the galaxy.
Thoughts?
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.06.14 03:37:00 -
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scout http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2esa5BFwz1rsagu3o1_1280.jpg
logistics http://www.andrejsskuja.com/Images/KZ3/ANDREJSSKUJA_LMG_tech_board.jpg
assault http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2012/07/N7-Sentinel1.png
sentinel http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/6b/c7/bb/6bc7bb5955f22e55c50600b1f45deb60.jpg
These would make good inspiration.
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Vordred Knight
warravens Final Resolution.
196
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Posted - 2014.06.14 04:45:00 -
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Ahem Concords Dropsuit
Markdown:
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
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Posted - 2014.06.14 05:32:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/2995/3267/newHeader.jpg
This could be one example. Those are Caldari suits iirc I'm not wearing money ***** gear............ Maybe, but that doesn't mean we can't simply change them to become trainee suits. CCP can just update the lore and say that a Caldari corp has given the design of these 'outmoded' suits away for the neutral academy to mass produce for their trainees. Again, Empires have their own academies. Why would there be a neutral one? It makes no sense. Eve Online doesn't make sense either. Please tell me how an MMO with submarine physics in space with absolutely no moving planets that stay permanently still in orbit with disproportionately-sized moons and stations, and where a whole station standing between you and your target won't block your shots makes sense. Nothing makes sense in New Eden. Jokes aside, the best alternative is to just make empire academies just like how Eve players currently have it. But leave it to the players to create their own neutral academies like Eve University and Red vs Blue where players from any race can come in to get their training from there instead. Besides, Capsuleers, Valkyries, and Legionaries make far better instructors than those pathetic empire academies.
iirc the first thing is explained by the warp drive causing the ship to have drag. The rest? Yea, completely broken.
As for the serious stuff, there still needs to be a actual tutorial to teach the basics, but for the rest of the game, I agree.
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
6056
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Posted - 2014.06.14 07:43:00 -
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Updated with a third image based on Kagehoshi's reference materials.
http://i.imgur.com/DvolafQ.png
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1125
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Posted - 2014.06.14 13:47:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/2995/3267/newHeader.jpg
This could be one example.
Nah...that one actually looks to cool.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.06.14 13:49:00 -
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Ha...That's Pokey Dravon's old design. We were just talking about that last not on Skype.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.06.14 14:31:00 -
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I think if you went with a neutral party you have a few options. Concord is the obvious one, you could explore using Interbus or perhaps an all new entity. Wouldn't use Mordu or Gurista's....i think they would be way more useful as Pirate Dropsuits (hint hint CPM candidates).
Let's say it was Concord for the moment.
1) Recommend we use white base color....and remove that color from the non-academy drop suit color palette -please. You could slap the Concord emblem emblazoned on them similar to Pokey's image. That way it would reinforce that its a training outfit and not front line combat gear.
2) Conceptually...it would take small elements from all the races. Overall it would need a 'lighter' look similar to the Caldari but with Gallente design elements for the plates. Perhaps a very simplified Amarrian styled helmet similar to your drawings earlier, Aeon. For the Minmatar elements....perhaps some of the numerous pouches and components; or maybe some duct tape. I think the drop suit should appeare to be more of a basic assembly of parts than a fully integrated design similar to the Racial Suits.
3) This part will play a bit on my thoughts on the Legion academy experience. You would only wear this "composite" suit for the Academy phase and perhaps introduce the actual Racial starter suits during during the transition between the Academy and Rookie contracts.
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
6061
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Posted - 2014.06.14 14:55:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:I think if you went with a neutral party you have a few options. Concord is the obvious one, you could explore using Interbus or perhaps an all new entity. Wouldn't use Mordu or Gurista's....i think they would be way more useful as Pirate Dropsuits (hint hint CPM candidates). Let's say it was Concord for the moment. 1) Recommend we use white base color....and remove that color from the non-academy drop suit color palette -please. You could slap the Concord emblem emblazoned on them similar to Pokey's image. That way it would reinforce that its a training outfit and not front line combat gear. 2) Conceptually...it would take small elements from all the races. Overall it would need a 'lighter' look similar to the Caldari but with Gallente design elements for the plates. Perhaps a very simplified Amarrian styled helmet similar to your drawings earlier, Aeon. For the Minmatar elements....perhaps some of the numerous pouches and components; or maybe some duct tape. I think the drop suit should appeare to be more of a basic assembly of parts than a fully integrated design similar to the Racial Suits. 3) This part will play a bit on my thoughts on the Legion academy experience. You would only wear this "composite" suit for the Academy phase and perhaps introduce the actual Racial starter suits during during the transition between the Academy and Rookie contracts.
IMO, the Mordu's Legion background fits far better. Closed Beta vets started with Mordu's Private Trials, Mordu's Legion is -THE- premier mercenary group, it just makes sense (to me) that they would have a hand in designing a suit that mercenaries could utilize until they're ready to go their separate ways with Mordu's Legion. It's a hell of a lot better than being shoved into a random faction NPC corp
That and having a unified background like the Valkyries do with the Guristas has a lot of merit over the current system where factions randomly donate suits to clone soldiers despite hating them with a passion. Don't see what the empire factions are just handing over precious suits to new clone soldiers with no fear of them being used against them (which is pretty much the entire point).
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
3571
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Posted - 2014.06.14 20:04:00 -
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I really like that.
The struggle is real
Confirmed by my toilet
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
2030
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Posted - 2014.06.15 03:38:00 -
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Left to Right
Assault -- Logi -- Scout?
Minmatar Weapons Specialist
Explosives Connoisseur
Logi for Hire
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
6063
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Posted - 2014.06.15 09:03:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Left to Right Assault -- Logi -- Scout?
Neither. Going off the progression system for Legion, the suit would be sort of a "neutral" which isn't necessarily restricted to any specialization. It's a single, modifiable suit.
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