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SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:26:00 -
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So, what's the deal with modded controllers and scrams? Seeing quite a lot lately.
Dust/Eve transfers
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
4767
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:29:00 -
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Nope you're just butthurt by being either insta glibbed or lazed down by the almighty ScR.
*pats Viziam* "I love you babe"
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SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
872
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:31:00 -
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Nope, i haven't been shot by an actual charged shot in about four days. It's always a volley from a CRW or construct imperial.
Dust/Eve transfers
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
650
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:43:00 -
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a charge shot with a 5 shot volley behind looks the same as a regular volley
The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:56:00 -
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SponkSponkSponk wrote:Nope, i haven't been shot by an actual charged shot in about four days. It's always a volley from a CRW or construct imperial.
If they aren't using charge shots, then they are scrambler neophytes and may the Lord have mercy on their souls.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
988
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:00:00 -
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SponkSponkSponk wrote:So, what's the deal with modded controllers and scrams? Seeing quite a lot lately.
Hmm the thing is yes the SCR is probably the weapon that benefits the most from a modded controller BUT its really hard to tell if someone is using one as there are some quick fingers out there that can achieve quite an impressive performance with the SCR without a modded controller...
IMHO giving a semi auto weapon that ridiculous high Rof wasn't the smartest move CCP made, but still CCP and and some others believe that overheating will keep the weapon balanced.
But as long as heat build up is tied to the time a weapon is fired instead to the actual shots fired this is only partly true. Sure the weapon will overheat if you use it uncontrolled and yes there is the drawback of cool down. But If you compare the SCR to the TAC AR (it only true racial counterpart)...it gets obvious that the SCR is superior even though the damage profile may not be as appealing as the TAC ARs one. |
THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:13:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:[But If you compare the SCR to the TAC AR (it only true racial counterpart)...it gets obvious that the SCR is superior even though the damage profile may not be as appealing as the TAC ARs one. Similar things can be said when thinking about the AScR vs AR.
The high RoF is the only thing able to allow it to keep up with the other rifles and even then it still has the god awful damage profile to overcome.
The Amarr scout bonus is like the old Amarr sentinel bonus. No one needed 25% reduction to overheat damage on a heavy;_;
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Louis Domi
Pradox One Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:19:00 -
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I've actually been accused of cheating with the Scr, too me it was just too funny. Made me proud, someone thought my skills were too good for me not to be cheating. |
Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:24:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:I've actually been accused of cheating with the Scr, too me it was just too funny. Made me proud, someone thought my skills were too good for me not to be cheating.
Same, I told them I've simply been using it since it was released.
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Mauren NOON
The Exemplars Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:28:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Louis Domi wrote:I've actually been accused of cheating with the Scr, too me it was just too funny. Made me proud, someone thought my skills were too good for me not to be cheating. Same, I told them I've simply been using it since it was released. I've never had the privilege...I don't have the assault skill. I will soon^TM
Scr and commando enthusiast.
A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life...
"The only thing to fear is fear itself"
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:30:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Nope you're just butthurt by being either insta glibbed or lazed down by the almighty ScR.
*pats Viziam* "I love you babe" No, people are either pulling off "impossible" speed button presses or using modded controllers.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Izlare Lenix
Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:11:00 -
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The ScR it's the least used out of RR, AR, CR and shotgun. And for good reason because the ScR had the best balancing mechanic with the heat buildup.
Players have always tried to claim the ScR is OP but the simple fact it is the least used light weapon disproves this claim. The CR is much more powerful than a ScR simply because it doesn't overheat, making it easier to use, and the CR has a better damage profile.
The ScR is a precision weapon, not a spray and pray weapon. This is why only skilled players with good aim use them.
And as far as rate of fire I know I can rapid fire a very fast burst with the ScR, but I can't sustain that rate of fire past 8 or 9 shoots.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:13:00 -
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All of this said, I do sometimes wonder about some of those GalScouts that seem to run it like an AR in the middle of crowds...
CCP Rattati Best Dev
Sorry, Blowout...
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
2047
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:16:00 -
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@ Aisha, I love my scrambler as much as the user, but calling it the viziam when it was originally the imperial is a little insulting to her, don't you think?
Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
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Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:52:00 -
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Using a turbo controller with a scrambler is an assured overheat. Very, very, very bad idea imho. It's just called being able to press the trigger fast ;)
Fun fact: The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game.
Tank buster // caldari scout
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
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Posted - 2014.06.12 16:16:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:The ScR it's the least used out of RR, AR, CR and shotgun. And for good reason because the ScR had the best balancing mechanic with the heat buildup.
Players have always tried to claim the ScR is OP but the simple fact it is the least used light weapon disproves this claim. The CR is much more powerful than a ScR simply because it doesn't overheat, making it easier to use, and the CR has a better damage profile.
The ScR is a precision weapon, not a spray and pray weapon. This is why only skilled players with good aim use them.
And as far as rate of fire I know I can rapid fire a very fast burst with the ScR, but I can't sustain that rate of fire past 8 or 9 shoots.
This guy gets it.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.12 16:44:00 -
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The ScR with a non-Amarr assault is a finely balanced weapon. It's powerful, with huge alpha damage - but you can't sustain that damage and you have to be careful with your shooting. A precision weapon that punishes you for missing.
Modded controllers are a thing with some people I'm sure - but as someone who doesn't use one, I've been accused of using one plenty of times. It's probably my most common mail. The thing is - with the ScR, it's pretty much you either kill the target very quickly or you don't kill them. The heat mechanic is a nice balancing tool. It kind of goes out the window with the Amarr assault (which is pretty much the most powerful combination I've used in this game) but the unbonused ScR is in a good place.
It's never going to be as popular as an automatic or burst weapon that doesn't have the heat mechanic simply from an ease of use perspective. People are more likely to dislike the ScR and not use it. Thus, low usage. It's not because it's bad - it's because it's different.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
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Posted - 2014.06.12 17:06:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:[But If you compare the SCR to the TAC AR (it only true racial counterpart)...it gets obvious that the SCR is superior even though the damage profile may not be as appealing as the TAC ARs one. Similar things can be said when thinking about the AScR vs AR. The high RoF is the only thing able to allow it to keep up with the other rifles and even then it still has the god awful damage profile to overcome. The 120% against balances with the 80% against armor. I think people forget that in a gun fight the SCR will melt shields nearly instantly and being working on the enemy armor sooner. Also consider how one can simply use an SMG as a clean up for the armor in many situations.
Or better yet, consider a hypothetical rifle with a 180/20 damage profile against shield/armor. Would anyone really complain about this? Effectively the weapon and act as a lot distance flux grenade. Many suits in the game would be worthless against this weapon with no skill required on the part of the user. Yes this weapon would be useless against armor, but would suggesting a ROF increase to "balance" it more with the current rifles make sense? Essentially we would just be making a ridiculously powerful weapon that could destroy just about any shield character. Should we then buff it to make it less useless against armor characters as well? |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.06.12 17:54:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:The ScR with a non-Amarr assault is a finely balanced weapon. It's powerful, with huge alpha damage - but you can't sustain that damage and you have to be careful with your shooting. A precision weapon that punishes you for missing.
Modded controllers are a thing with some people I'm sure - but as someone who doesn't use one, I've been accused of using one plenty of times. It's probably my most common mail. The thing is - with the ScR, it's pretty much you either kill the target very quickly or you don't kill them. The heat mechanic is a nice balancing tool. It kind of goes out the window with the Amarr assault (which is pretty much the most powerful combination I've used in this game) but the unbonused ScR is in a good place.
It's never going to be as popular as an automatic or burst weapon that doesn't have the heat mechanic simply from an ease of use perspective. People are more likely to dislike the ScR and not use it. Thus, low usage. It's not because it's bad - it's because it's different. I have to agree and disagree with you Arky, I honestly believe you think the assault combo is OP because you play to its advantages at long range or before you prototype the assault you mastered its abilities in a non-Amarr suit causing you to think that way. But what you said about it being different is right, before I use to hate the semi version because I was use to the auto fire of the gek but once I saw my scores improve with semi I gained a higher respect for its less scrubby ways of killing.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Schecter 666
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.06.12 17:56:00 -
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when people deal between 800-1200 damage in less than a second it makes you wonder...unless they are all headshot masters who hit perfect charge shot headshots followed up by flawless headshots afterwards every single time....
I do like one-shot head-shotting starter fits with it though. |
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.12 18:00:00 -
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You can shoot that thing super fast without a modded controller. Some people have ridiculously fast trigger fingers.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Lea Silencio
0uter.Heaven
1466
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Posted - 2014.06.12 18:26:00 -
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<--- LegendaryGäó.
PurificationGäó
It's what I do.
Amarr Victor
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.06.12 18:37:00 -
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Pro tip: Vibrate your finger while slanting your hand a little to gain a good trigger finger. Since they nerfed the ScR, the charge shot isn't that useful. I usually overheat when I charge the head, and follow up. SInce I don't use M/KB, I can't shoot the head proficiently. CCP really needs to fix that. Play battlefield 2 3 or 4, and you will understand how terrible Dust's aiming system is. EDIT: Woah. Aisha Ctarl AND Lea Silencio liked my post
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Louis Domi
Pradox One Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.06.12 21:45:00 -
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Schecter 666 wrote:when people deal between 800-1200 damage in less than a second it makes you wonder...unless they are all headshot masters who hit perfect charge shot headshots followed up by flawless headshots afterwards every single time....
I do like one-shot head-shotting starter fits with it though.
I remember back in 1.3 or 1.4 I was doing about something like 100 damage per shot(Stacks them damage mods).I can fire 10 shots or more in a second... I miss the good old days... |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.06.12 21:54:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:Schecter 666 wrote:when people deal between 800-1200 damage in less than a second it makes you wonder...unless they are all headshot masters who hit perfect charge shot headshots followed up by flawless headshots afterwards every single time....
I do like one-shot head-shotting starter fits with it though. I remember back in 1.3 or 1.4 I was doing about something like 100 damage per shot(Stacks them damage mods).I can fire 10 shots or more in a second... I miss the good old days... Remember that was back when no one said it was OP? It was only in 1.5/1,6 when they started saying that...maybe at the last week of 1.4, but still...
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Louis Domi
Pradox One Proficiency V.
376
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Posted - 2014.06.12 21:58:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Pro tip: Vibrate your finger while slanting your hand a little to gain a good trigger finger. Since they nerfed the ScR, the charge shot isn't that useful. I usually overheat when I charge the head, and follow up. SInce I don't use M/KB, I can't shoot the head proficiently. CCP really needs to fix that. Play battlefield 2 3 or 4, and you will understand how terrible Dust's aiming system is. EDIT: Woah. Aisha Ctarl AND Lea Silencio liked my post I also liked your post Don't i get a shout out?
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.12 22:00:00 -
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Lea Silencio wrote:<--- LegendaryGäó.
QFT
The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
4782
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Posted - 2014.06.12 22:05:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Lea Silencio wrote:<--- LegendaryGäó. QFT
Another scrambler legend, Tiberius, has entered the thread.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1879
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Posted - 2014.06.12 22:12:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Pro tip: Vibrate your finger while slanting your hand a little to gain a good trigger finger. Since they nerfed the ScR, the charge shot isn't that useful. I usually overheat when I charge the head, and follow up. SInce I don't use M/KB, I can't shoot the head proficiently. CCP really needs to fix that. Play battlefield 2 3 or 4, and you will understand how terrible Dust's aiming system is. EDIT: Woah. Aisha Ctarl AND Lea Silencio liked my post
Dust's shooting mechanics ain't that bad. Aim with the left analog stick not the right. i.e. Strafe to aim.
Always start with a charge against Medium and Light frames. Do not charge against Heavies, fire swiftly and switch to sidearm.
Lastly; use the Amarr Assault.
The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
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Lea Silencio
0uter.Heaven
1470
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Posted - 2014.06.12 22:12:00 -
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Tibs is better than me tbh. I have always said that even though he seems to disagree with me.
PurificationGäó
It's what I do.
Amarr Victor
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