DUST Search - lower minmatar scan profiles

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

DeathwindRising wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

They are not supposed to be ghosts; that's Gallente's job. Denied.

not true. only gallente scout is a ghost and thats using both damps and cloaks. the rest of the gallente have nothing to do with covert operations.

in all honesty, the scan profile works the same way the scan radius works in eve. and guess which race has the smallest scan radius? minmatar. why? because their low eHP mean they cant tank like the other races. so they use their smaller radius combined with higher speeds to evade most damage by not getting hit.

the scan radius in eve is what affects ships that target you. a smaller scan radius means they take longer to target you. to me that translates in dust into taking longer to find you attacker if his scan profile is smaller since he wont show up on scan as easily. to compensate minmatar actually have the worst targeting range in eve (scan radius in dust), but highest scan resolution (scan precision in dust)

the difference bewteen gallente/caldari and the minmatar would be like this:

gallente scouts focusing on low scan profiles and stealth with cloaks

caldari scouts focusing on scan range and high precision

the entire minmatar race however would focus on low scan profiles and high scan precision

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what this means is that the minmatar race can hide well and also find targets well within a short range (compared to caldari that have long range scans)

along with minmatar speed and stamina, theyd be much better at guerrilla fighting than any other race. its the way they are in eve and it follows their lore

Scan radius in Eve is not scan radius in Dust. Scan radius in eve determines how easily a particular turret can hit a target, along with its speed and transversal velocity. It would be more analogous to the hitbox than the scan radius of Dust.

Gallente are supposed to be the scan radius kings, because in Eve there EWAR is remote sensor dampening. I would propose that Minmatar gain more base speed, both walking and sprinting.

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DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 340	Posted - 2014.06.12 02:53:00 - [1] - Quote after some thought, i think minmatar scan profiles need to be lower. the lack of defense mean they need to be able to flank their enemies and out maneuver them, something thats impossible thanks to cal scouts and scanners. i think minmatar scan profiles should all be lowered so that they cant be detected so easily. heavies would be scanned by advance scanners, mediums would be scanned by proto scanners and the scouts wouldnt be scanned at all.
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2585	Posted - 2014.06.12 02:56:00 - [2] - Quote They are not supposed to be ghosts; that's Gallente's job. Denied. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 341	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:50:00 - [3] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: They are not supposed to be ghosts; that's Gallente's job. Denied. not true. only gallente scout is a ghost and thats using both damps and cloaks. the rest of the gallente have nothing to do with covert operations. in all honesty, the scan profile works the same way the scan radius works in eve. and guess which race has the smallest scan radius? minmatar. why? because their low eHP mean they cant tank like the other races. so they use their smaller radius combined with higher speeds to evade most damage by not getting hit. the scan radius in eve is what affects ships that target you. a smaller scan radius means they take longer to target you. to me that translates in dust into taking longer to find you attacker if his scan profile is smaller since he wont show up on scan as easily. to compensate minmatar actually have the worst targeting range in eve (scan radius in dust), but highest scan resolution (scan precision in dust) the difference bewteen gallente/caldari and the minmatar would be like this: gallente scouts focusing on low scan profiles and stealth with cloaks caldari scouts focusing on scan range and high precision the entire minmatar race however would focus on low scan profiles and high scan precision --- what this means is that the minmatar race can hide well and also find targets well within a short range (compared to caldari that have long range scans) along with minmatar speed and stamina, theyd be much better at guerrilla fighting than any other race. its the way they are in eve and it follows their lore
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1307	Posted - 2014.06.12 09:00:00 - [4] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: They are not supposed to be ghosts; that's Gallente's job. Denied. not true. only gallente scout is a ghost and thats using both damps and cloaks. the rest of the gallente have nothing to do with covert operations. in all honesty, the scan profile works the same way the scan radius works in eve. and guess which race has the smallest scan radius? minmatar. why? because their low eHP mean they cant tank like the other races. so they use their smaller radius combined with higher speeds to evade most damage by not getting hit. the scan radius in eve is what affects ships that target you. a smaller scan radius means they take longer to target you. to me that translates in dust into taking longer to find you attacker if his scan profile is smaller since he wont show up on scan as easily. to compensate minmatar actually have the worst targeting range in eve (scan radius in dust), but highest scan resolution (scan precision in dust) the difference bewteen gallente/caldari and the minmatar would be like this: gallente scouts focusing on low scan profiles and stealth with cloaks caldari scouts focusing on scan range and high precision the entire minmatar race however would focus on low scan profiles and high scan precision --- what this means is that the minmatar race can hide well and also find targets well within a short range (compared to caldari that have long range scans) along with minmatar speed and stamina, theyd be much better at guerrilla fighting than any other race. its the way they are in eve and it follows their lore Scan radius in Eve is not scan radius in Dust. Scan radius in eve determines how easily a particular turret can hit a target, along with its speed and transversal velocity. It would be more analogous to the hitbox than the scan radius of Dust. Gallente are supposed to be the scan radius kings, because in Eve there EWAR is remote sensor dampening. I would propose that Minmatar gain more base speed, both walking and sprinting. That's what you get!! - DA Rick
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 347	Posted - 2014.06.12 09:29:00 - [5] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: They are not supposed to be ghosts; that's Gallente's job. Denied. not true. only gallente scout is a ghost and thats using both damps and cloaks. the rest of the gallente have nothing to do with covert operations. in all honesty, the scan profile works the same way the scan radius works in eve. and guess which race has the smallest scan radius? minmatar. why? because their low eHP mean they cant tank like the other races. so they use their smaller radius combined with higher speeds to evade most damage by not getting hit. the scan radius in eve is what affects ships that target you. a smaller scan radius means they take longer to target you. to me that translates in dust into taking longer to find you attacker if his scan profile is smaller since he wont show up on scan as easily. to compensate minmatar actually have the worst targeting range in eve (scan radius in dust), but highest scan resolution (scan precision in dust) the difference bewteen gallente/caldari and the minmatar would be like this: gallente scouts focusing on low scan profiles and stealth with cloaks caldari scouts focusing on scan range and high precision the entire minmatar race however would focus on low scan profiles and high scan precision --- what this means is that the minmatar race can hide well and also find targets well within a short range (compared to caldari that have long range scans) along with minmatar speed and stamina, theyd be much better at guerrilla fighting than any other race. its the way they are in eve and it follows their lore Scan radius in Eve is not scan radius in Dust. Scan radius in eve determines how easily a particular turret can hit a target, along with its speed and transversal velocity. It would be more analogous to the hitbox than the scan radius of Dust. Gallente are supposed to be the scan radius kings, because in Eve there EWAR is remote sensor dampening. I would propose that Minmatar gain more base speed, both walking and sprinting. What you've said is true, but scan profile/signature radius also affects how well you can be probed or targeted. In dust, your hitbox has no such effect. Also, Gallente Sensor damps don't affect scan radius. They effect sensor/resolution, which increases the time a target takes for it to lock onto it's target. If you compare gallente ships vs minmatar ships and bonuses you'll see that it's the minmatar that have bonuses affect enemy scan profile/signature radius. Minmatar are also the only race with ships that have bonuses for reducing their scan profile/signature radius using command ship bonuses. Minmatar also have the smallest scan profile/signature radius in eve. So actually dust deviated from established racial characteristics when they did the gallente scout. It should've always been the minmatar. What would've made more sense would be to change the active scanner into a dampener that negatively affected all enemy suits scan precision, effectively blinding their enemies dropsuit radar
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 46	Posted - 2014.06.12 12:56:00 - [6] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: They are not supposed to be ghosts; that's Gallente's job. Denied. actually no, going off EVE of which this game is tied to.. minmatar have always been known for fast/low signature ships which can shield or armor tank.. while gallente are slower larger but a bit more powerful in a CQB/brawl Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 762	Posted - 2014.06.12 15:14:00 - [7] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki & DeathwindRising, this is the 1st time I'm reading about this and it would have been really helpful if someone said that during the Scout discussions. There could have been good balance changes that would have come out of it. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 352	Posted - 2014.06.12 16:05:00 - [8] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Apothecary Za'ki & DeathwindRising, this is the 1st time I'm reading about this and it would have been really helpful if someone said that during the Scout discussions. There could have been good balance changes that would have come out of it. haha im sorry man. im only talking about it now because i played with a minmatar medium suit recently. i wouldnt have thought of it until now, especially since im not skilled into scouts or minmatar. besides, this more geared to the entire minmatar line up of dropsuits, not just their scout suit. but hey! apparently its the season for hotfixes lol, so maybe we can have that discussion with the devs again.


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