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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.06.11 06:32:00 -
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I'm wondering if there are many Matari Scouts in PC and what their roles are.. From my own experience, it's severely disadvantaged V Cal/Gal scouts but it does slice fools up pretty nicely
Is it worth sticking with, my average kdr in PC has been 1.0 and my role has been a hack scout, with links and Ishukones
Any advice on how a Matari Scout should set up in PC?? I've been running a fit to benefit the team via Hacks and Spawns, while focusing on being squad leader and tbh I care more what happens to the DMG mercs than whether or not I get a shiny kdr so I'm happy to do so.... but then I met KEQ/Grupo....
Anyone who knows me via pub battles knows I'm a **** for using RE''s .. lots and lots of RE's As I am a lazy mofo who plays pubs for a paycheck not just for GG's they are nice but they mean nothing
I began in a PC fight V GAC/KEQ thinking ok, no scrub RE's this time... fight like a man So I went with the ACR/NK Scout with links rather than RE's..... big mistake....
I underestimated how Dust players will fight at the lowest level just to get an advantage, and in that PC they were tossing RE's like Frisbee's, any scout they had, lacked Gun game so they chucked RE's... I edited my fit during battle
Brought out my own RE's but it was too little too late, Mixing Hacks/Killing/RE spam/Squad leading is tricky
^^ On that note, nest time we face you GAC ... I will be on your level, I will pass squad lead , stack armour And you can prepare for a shitstorm of my Boundless RE's... I dont want to play PC this way but you left me no choice..
just throwing out a rant before I head to work...... o7 |
Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.11 06:38:00 -
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Yeah you're going to need the Boundless RE's once the basic and advanced are nerfed. Which I think is a good thing.
Anywho,
Yeah I have considered eventually becoming Min Scout for the crazy stealth hacks.
What I think you should do is use a dampener or two, the rest codebreakers, and then have your team move in for the finishing blow.
Because I guarded a hack panel for an ENTIRE PC, just sat there with my HMG and kept my eyes open.
Then all of a sudden I had to reload and looked away for a split second, and the objective was hacked. I ran over to it and no one was there. No one running away. Then I realized it was a Minja. Their team moved in, easily gang raped me and took the point.
That is one powerful thing. A hack in less than 2 seconds.
My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad.
6104
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Posted - 2014.06.11 06:39:00 -
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Generally my Minja does 3 things in PC.
1:Hack
2:Fast responce/support.
3: RE trolling.
Be fast, hit hard, THEN GET THE **** OUT.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
1093
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Posted - 2014.06.11 20:13:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Generally my Minja does 3 things in PC.
1:Hack
2:Fast responce/support.
3: RE trolling.
Be fast, hit hard, THEN GET THE **** OUT.
indeed that's what I've been doing but i tried to leave RE's out and knife fools instead
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad.
6132
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Posted - 2014.06.11 22:32:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Generally my Minja does 3 things in PC.
1:Hack
2:Fast responce/support.
3: RE trolling.
Be fast, hit hard, THEN GET THE **** OUT.
indeed that's what I've been doing but i tried to leave RE's out and knife fools instead Why not both?
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
1670
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Posted - 2014.06.11 22:50:00 -
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PC Minja here. Knives REs and a ****load of flaking.
PSN Sil4nt Chaozz
Autistic Mechanic & Engineer, Matari in Dust & out
Scrambler Pistol and Scout Devotee
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
5778
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Posted - 2014.06.11 23:10:00 -
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I wouldn't bother attempting to get under scans unless there's some special reason you absolutely need to. Everyone probably knows where you are so stealth is out the door. Caldari will see you coming a mile away. You have to balance your EHP and your speed so you can quickly engage and disengage. Unless you're specifically spawning in to hack leave the code breakers off your suit. If you're in possession of a letter and playing defense there's no reason why you should be wasting a low with a hack mod. Make a special fit just for hacking. Another fit for straight combat.
Personally I don't knife in PC that often. I will if the team is especially derpy but honestly you're better off with a pistol as your side arm.
Just ask yourself what needs to be done and what's the best fit to accomplish that. Also the Minmatar suit is much easier to run if you've got a Caldari scout spotting for you.
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
515
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Posted - 2014.06.11 23:26:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I wouldn't bother attempting to get under scans unless there's some special reason you absolutely need to. Everyone probably knows where you are so stealth is out the door. Caldari will see you coming a mile away. You have to balance your EHP and your speed so you can quickly engage and disengage. Unless you're specifically spawning in to hack leave the code breakers off your suit. If you're in possession of a letter and playing defense there's no reason why you should be wasting a low with a hack mod. Make a special fit just for hacking. Another fit for straight combat.
Personally I don't knife in PC that often. I will if the team is especially derpy but honestly you're better off with a pistol as your side arm.
Just ask yourself what needs to be done and what's the best fit to accomplish that. Also the Minmatar suit is much easier to run if you've got a Caldari scout spotting for you. Depends on your playstyle I find myself in need of my knife, but I agree with the rest of your post |
Scheneighnay McBob
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
5225
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Posted - 2014.06.11 23:46:00 -
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They're good generalists as far as scout roles. They kill well, get around the map quickly, and hack quickly
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.12 01:37:00 -
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try using a min scout against ERA or any similar corp...
I do better in my militia heavy frame than my proto min scout
I can't hack **** cause of all the Cal scouts perm scanning me from 70 m away, and NKs are extremely difficult to use against competent players
Really, the only thing I'm good for in PC's is as a runner, and thats it
26-2 ambush with militia minmitar heavy, no relevant skills
9-3 proto minmitar scout
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Yeeeuuuupppp
The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V.
315
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Posted - 2014.06.12 04:08:00 -
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Min scouts in pc is just like seeing a sentinel mk.o . Like seeing a unicorn, except your never see much of the unicorn, just it's dead body on the ground.. I'm patiently waiting for some minnie scout love and saving my sp.. any word on any form of buff?
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
1094
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Posted - 2014.06.12 05:27:00 -
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Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Min scouts in pc is just like seeing a sentinel mk.o . Like seeing a unicorn, except your never see much of the unicorn, just it's dead body on the ground.. I'm patiently waiting for some minnie scout love and saving my sp.. any word on any form of buff?
The buff is in your own playstyle Our suit may be weak but so are all the Matari suits, its in all how you use it Thanks for the feedback here, although I'm not seeing too much new here there is good advice.. so maybe......
We could try meet up in game, getting a squad of Minja's would wreak havoc and be pretty fun This way we can talk in-game, along with .... Knife Fights
I'll be active on Saturday.. leave me a mail if you want to squad up or sync a few knife fights.
o7
Sinboto.... I challenge you to a duel sir !!!
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
1094
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Posted - 2014.06.12 05:32:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I wouldn't bother attempting to get under scans unless there's some special reason you absolutely need to. Everyone probably knows where you are so stealth is out the door. Caldari will see you coming a mile away. You have to balance your EHP and your speed so you can quickly engage and disengage. Unless you're specifically spawning in to hack leave the code breakers off your suit. If you're in possession of a letter and playing defense there's no reason why you should be wasting a low with a hack mod. Make a special fit just for hacking. Another fit for straight combat.
Personally I don't knife in PC that often. I will if the team is especially derpy but honestly you're better off with a pistol as your side arm.
Just ask yourself what needs to be done and what's the best fit to accomplish that. Also the Minmatar suit is much easier to run if you've got a Caldari scout spotting for you.
Hmmm... So you knife derp teams.... then hide behind a gun in tough fights...
This sounds like an Amarr tactic..... GET HIM!!! HE TRYIN TO TERK MER JERB !!!! |
CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
649
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Posted - 2014.06.12 05:34:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:I'm wondering if there are many Matari Scouts in PC and what their roles are.. From my own experience, it's severely disadvantaged V Cal/Gal scouts but it does slice fools up pretty nicely Is it worth sticking with, my average kdr in PC has been 1.0 and my role has been a hack scout, with links and Ishukones Any advice on how a Matari Scout should set up in PC?? I've been running a fit to benefit the team via Hacks and Spawns, while focusing on being squad leader and tbh I care more what happens to the DMG mercs than whether or not I get a shiny kdr so I'm happy to do so.... but then I met KEQ/Grupo.... Anyone who knows me via pub battles knows I'm a **** for using RE''s .. lots and lots of RE's As I am a lazy mofo who plays pubs for a paycheck not just for GG's they are nice but they mean nothing I began in a PC fight V GAC/KEQ thinking ok, no scrub RE's this time... fight like a man So I went with the ACR/NK Scout with links rather than RE's..... big mistake.... I underestimated how Dust players will fight at the lowest level just to get an advantage, and in that PC they were tossing RE's like Frisbee's, any scout they had, lacked Gun game so they chucked RE's... I edited my fit during battle Brought out my own RE's but it was too little too late, Mixing Hacks/Killing/RE spam/Squad leading is tricky ^^ On that note, nest time we face you GAC ... I will be on your level, I will pass squad lead , stack armour And you can prepare for a shitstorm of my Boundless RE's... I dont want to play PC this way but you left me no choice.. just throwing out a rant before I head to work...... o7 you could go outside and hack a ammo depo if its to ruff for you in the city.
The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
1094
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Posted - 2014.06.12 05:42:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:TheD1CK wrote:I'm wondering if there are many Matari Scouts in PC and what their roles are.. From my own experience, it's severely disadvantaged V Cal/Gal scouts but it does slice fools up pretty nicely Is it worth sticking with, my average kdr in PC has been 1.0 and my role has been a hack scout, with links and Ishukones Any advice on how a Matari Scout should set up in PC?? I've been running a fit to benefit the team via Hacks and Spawns, while focusing on being squad leader and tbh I care more what happens to the DMG mercs than whether or not I get a shiny kdr so I'm happy to do so.... but then I met KEQ/Grupo.... Anyone who knows me via pub battles knows I'm a **** for using RE''s .. lots and lots of RE's As I am a lazy mofo who plays pubs for a paycheck not just for GG's they are nice but they mean nothing I began in a PC fight V GAC/KEQ thinking ok, no scrub RE's this time... fight like a man So I went with the ACR/NK Scout with links rather than RE's..... big mistake.... I underestimated how Dust players will fight at the lowest level just to get an advantage, and in that PC they were tossing RE's like Frisbee's, any scout they had, lacked Gun game so they chucked RE's... I edited my fit during battle Brought out my own RE's but it was too little too late, Mixing Hacks/Killing/RE spam/Squad leading is tricky ^^ On that note, nest time we face you GAC ... I will be on your level, I will pass squad lead , stack armour And you can prepare for a shitstorm of my Boundless RE's... I dont want to play PC this way but you left me no choice.. just throwing out a rant before I head to work...... o7 you could go outside and hack a ammo depo if its to ruff for you in the city.
Too tough??? every time we took C it was because I led the attack.. I'm not saying I didn't die horribly But I got the job done and knifed almost all of your team during our 3 fights... in a fit with less than 300 HP So getting a even K/D while fighting through the Sentinel rampage from C to A was a decent performance |
CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
650
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:57:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:TheD1CK wrote:I'm wondering if there are many Matari Scouts in PC and what their roles are.. From my own experience, it's severely disadvantaged V Cal/Gal scouts but it does slice fools up pretty nicely Is it worth sticking with, my average kdr in PC has been 1.0 and my role has been a hack scout, with links and Ishukones Any advice on how a Matari Scout should set up in PC?? I've been running a fit to benefit the team via Hacks and Spawns, while focusing on being squad leader and tbh I care more what happens to the DMG mercs than whether or not I get a shiny kdr so I'm happy to do so.... but then I met KEQ/Grupo.... Anyone who knows me via pub battles knows I'm a **** for using RE''s .. lots and lots of RE's As I am a lazy mofo who plays pubs for a paycheck not just for GG's they are nice but they mean nothing I began in a PC fight V GAC/KEQ thinking ok, no scrub RE's this time... fight like a man So I went with the ACR/NK Scout with links rather than RE's..... big mistake.... I underestimated how Dust players will fight at the lowest level just to get an advantage, and in that PC they were tossing RE's like Frisbee's, any scout they had, lacked Gun game so they chucked RE's... I edited my fit during battle Brought out my own RE's but it was too little too late, Mixing Hacks/Killing/RE spam/Squad leading is tricky ^^ On that note, nest time we face you GAC ... I will be on your level, I will pass squad lead , stack armour And you can prepare for a shitstorm of my Boundless RE's... I dont want to play PC this way but you left me no choice.. just throwing out a rant before I head to work...... o7 you could go outside and hack a ammo depo if its to ruff for you in the city. Too tough??? every time we took C it was because I led the attack.. I'm not saying I didn't die horribly But I got the job done and knifed almost all of your team during our 3 fights... in a fit with less than 300 HP So getting a even K/D while fighting through the Sentinel rampage from C to A was a decent performance hey i hate remotes just as much as you friend because i was one of the 3 KEQ heavys in charge of C wich was a meat grinder. but i have found that the fast hack scouts do cause a problem because people tend to chase kills and drift away from the letter and you can run in and get the hack. but your suit is a little to fragile to run right in the meat grinder at C try flanking a different letter.
The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
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Kosakai
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:10:00 -
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maxed shields, dempener + kinkats, cloak +remotes and combat rifle + knives
its my universal fit and it works good forme
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Yeeeuuuupppp
The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V.
317
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:30:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Min scouts in pc is just like seeing a sentinel mk.o . Like seeing a unicorn, except your never see much of the unicorn, just it's dead body on the ground.. I'm patiently waiting for some minnie scout love and saving my sp.. any word on any form of buff? The buff is in your own playstyle Our suit may be weak but so are all the Matari suits, its in all how you use it Thanks for the feedback here, although I'm not seeing too much new here there is good advice.. so maybe...... We could try meet up in game, getting a squad of Minja's would wreak havoc and be pretty fun This way we can talk in-game, along with .... Knife Fights I'll be active on Saturday.. leave me a mail if you want to squad up or sync a few knife fights. o7 Sinboto.... I challenge you to a duel sir !!! I think I only have enough for level 1 min scout atm, idk. But once I work up to adv we shall dual (I'm not gonna put proto knives on a standard suit and I only use proto knives nowadays) it's a shame I have all that sp in gal scout but I barely use it.. oh well, in due time my friend
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Yeeeuuuupppp
The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:31:00 -
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Kosakai wrote:maxed shields, dempener + kinkats, cloak +remotes and combat rifle + knives its my universal fit and it works good forme You could fit more stuff if you drop the cloak >.>
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:07:00 -
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Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Kosakai wrote:maxed shields, dempener + kinkats, cloak +remotes and combat rifle + knives its my universal fit and it works good forme You could fit more stuff if you drop the cloak >.> yes you could just put a uplink on that suit and let the OP scout suits spawn in and kill stuff then you could run away hack a ammo depot or something.
The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:20:00 -
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There is no use for it. When there is only a single caldari scout around the objective a red chevron will appear over your head while beeing cloaked. Which means that 6 people know your exact location. That means you will get gunned down 9 out of 10 times before you start to hack. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad.
6135
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:23:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Min scouts in pc is just like seeing a sentinel mk.o . Like seeing a unicorn, except your never see much of the unicorn, just it's dead body on the ground.. I'm patiently waiting for some minnie scout love and saving my sp.. any word on any form of buff? The buff is in your own playstyle Our suit may be weak but so are all the Matari suits, its in all how you use it Thanks for the feedback here, although I'm not seeing too much new here there is good advice.. so maybe...... We could try meet up in game, getting a squad of Minja's would wreak havoc and be pretty fun This way we can talk in-game, along with .... Knife Fights I'll be active on Saturday.. leave me a mail if you want to squad up or sync a few knife fights. o7 Sinboto.... I challenge you to a duel sir !!! I need the practice, been getting rusty, care to join us moody, yup?
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
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STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
4266
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:37:00 -
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If CCP wants to know what is being abused the most they should check the PC battle logs of certain *cough* GAC *cough* corps.
Fun fact: The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game.
Tank buster // caldari scout
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
1099
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Posted - 2014.06.12 20:10:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:There is no use for it. When there is only a single caldari scout around the objective a red chevron will appear over your head while beeing cloaked. Which means that 6 people know your exact location. That means you will get gunned down 9 out of 10 times before you start to hack.
Damn you Cloud..... I wish I could disagree with this statement.. well I could .. but I would be lying
In other news...
All mercs wanting knife fights on Saturday. send me a mail, i'll create a chat on Sat and we can let the games begin!!!
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1103
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Posted - 2014.06.12 22:02:00 -
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I have not played in over a month - not sure if things changed any since that (with talk of alpha and beta - i am not sure what changes those names refer to).
Before that my experience with PC as Minmatar scout had been dismal. It's completely negated by Cal scouts. Half of enemy team would be cal scouts with Proto RR - so Min stealth does not work there. You can't sneak up on someone with a knife if they've seen you from 50 m away.
Hacking bonus is not enough to make a difference in PC. Like you never get to objectives because you get intercepted long before.
PC is all about cal couts and gal heavies.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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Yeeeuuuupppp
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
322
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Posted - 2014.06.13 01:07:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Kosakai wrote:maxed shields, dempener + kinkats, cloak +remotes and combat rifle + knives its my universal fit and it works good forme You could fit more stuff if you drop the cloak >.> yes you could just put a uplink on that suit and let the OP scout suits spawn in and kill stuff then you could run away hack a ammo depot or something. Yes or you could drop that link for your squad of proto sentinels to spawn in on. The possibilitIes are endless if you get rid of the crutch and try to walk normally.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.13 01:25:00 -
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Against any competent team, the Min Scout is useful only for speed hacking, and even then only with squad support to stop you from getting gunned down.
Scanned Scout is Dead Scout in PC. Min Scout just can't compete with Cal Scouts reigning supreme.
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.13 02:03:00 -
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Kosakai wrote:maxed shields, dempener + kinkats, cloak +remotes and combat rifle + knives its my universal fit and it works good forme This fit you speak of..how do you fit it?
26-2 ambush with militia minmitar heavy, no relevant skills
9-3 proto minmitar scout
Scount OP nurf it to grownd
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Yeeeuuuupppp
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
322
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Posted - 2014.06.13 02:14:00 -
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Kosakai wrote:maxed shields, dempener + kinkats, cloak +remotes and combat rifle + knives its my universal fit and it works good forme This fit you speak of..how do you fit it? Probably maxed his pg upgrades or something. Pre 1.8 I couldn't fit 2 complex shields & a kin cat (with all basic weapons besides adv knives) on an adv scout without using a pg upgrade. I don't know if that changes or not since then (doubt it did)
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.06.13 06:53:00 -
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Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:Kosakai wrote:maxed shields, dempener + kinkats, cloak +remotes and combat rifle + knives its my universal fit and it works good forme You could fit more stuff if you drop the cloak >.> yes you could just put a uplink on that suit and let the OP scout suits spawn in and kill stuff then you could run away hack a ammo depot or something. Yes or you could drop that link for your squad of proto sentinels to spawn in on. The possibilitIes are endless if you get rid of the crutch and try to walk normally. Yeeeuupp are you in a starter corp now what happened? come back to KEQ we have a spot for a good scout on the PC team.
The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
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