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Posted - 2014.06.04 21:45:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Bonuses towards stealth was nerfed, and cloak time was nerfed, making being a actual scout harder, while being a brick tank scout is still a thing. Pointless. If you want to fix a problem, do it right, and fix the actual problem (the brick tanked scouts, not the actual scout) instead of screwing people.......... Peace, Godin  The idea was to force people to choose between stealth or brick-tanking. If people are choosing to brick tank their Gallente scouts, they'll be easier to detect now. If you want to fit your Gallente scout to be stealthy, you will be squishy. So, they didn't fail at what they were trying to achieve.
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Posted - 2014.06.04 23:49:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:So instead of making the bonus only work if you had damps on, and getting rid of the bonus on the cloak completely, nerf the bonus itself, and nerf the cloak time? Yea, that fixes a lot.  There are multiple solutions to a problem. Changing the bonus so that it affects modules is another possible solution; if not an arguably better one.
The reduction of cloak duration was done to encourage "specialization into cloaks", which means CCP want people to use proto cloaks. My personal opinion is that the reduction to cloak duration is good because it discourages camping and encourages more skilled use of the cloak by forcing players to really choose when they should use their cloak in order to be effective. For what reasons do you think that the cloak duration reduction was a bad idea?
Blame the mass of vocal scout players who feel they should have the ability to be un-detectable to everything for the return of cloak bonus. They managed to make a good argument or peer pressured CCP into not removing the cloak bonus; I'm still debating which of the two occurred.
Point still stands that the changes made were not done solely to discourage brick tanking. So, regarding this matter, you are still wrong.
Godin Thekiller wrote:EDIT: Also, that was the wrong kind of peace you're thinking about. So you have in effect made yourself look like a idiot. Face it Godin, you got trolled by political joke in which you weren't even the main target being made fun of. Hell, your even name calling. 
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Posted - 2014.06.05 00:07:00 -
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Spartan MK420 wrote:The proto cloak still isn't worth using over the adv. 10 seconds difference, and a dampening boost that's barely noticeable? I'd rather upgrade another module than this. 10 seconds in game can greatly change an outcome. It's fine if you feel 10 seconds isn't worth much, but to me it's a big deal.
It's what the mass of vocal scout players who feel they should have the ability to be un-detectable to everything asked for. Don't look at me, I don't even agree with them.
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Posted - 2014.06.05 03:07:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:You can't cross a field in 45 seconds on a large map while still moving stealthily (as in not in the middle of everything where you can be spotted), and there's no stopping points in said fields where you can still cover yourself while you wait for it to recharge. and hiding yourself while scouting is silly, as that means you don't see anything either. The new cloaks are built to be in and out cloaks, so combat cloaks. They are not for scouting. Your ignorance in stealth gameplay is showing. You actually believe pushing a button and being cloaked is all that there is to stealth? If you don't know how to play stealthy without a cloak, then I'm sorry but the cloak is a crutch for you. Go play some games that do stealth gameplay well. I'd recommend Metal Gear Solid Online, but the servers were shut down. 
Godin Thekiller wrote:If you want to have it like that, fine; just give me a cloak that I can use that has a long duration, and has a long weapons penalty on it. What ever gave you the impression that I wanted it like that? I've only been explaining the reasoning behind certain actions. Trust me when I say that if it was done my way, there'd be a **** storm in the forums.
You want me to give you cloak with a long duration on it and weapons penalty? Sure. Just let me slip on my super secret blue tag, do some coding and you'll have on your merc's quarters door step tomorrow morning with a bow and everything. But be a good little boy now or I'll give you coal.
Godin Thekiller wrote:Oh, and by the way, the main problem with scouts WAS that they were brick tanking so well and at the same time keeping stealth that they were doing better than assaults. And don't try and say that's the same thing that you said, because it isn't at all. I'm not wrong at all. Let me get this straight, you restate your position with my regurgitated position, and then tell me it's not the same thing... Well its nice to see you realized you were wrong and agree with me, even though you're not man enough to admit it.
Godin Thekiller wrote:EDIT: I'm not angry, so I have not been trolled. I was just pointing out that you used the wrong kind of peace, so the joke (which I saw, because you know, not an idiot like yourself) made 0 sense. I'm so stupid that I know a joke doesn't always have to take things in context and can play with words to mean other things.
I'm so stupid, that I can debate without needing resorting to childish name calling and petty insults.
I'm so stupid, that I don't need to constantly shift the topic to similar and related topics to avoid the appearance of being wrong.
Blessed be the ones you call idiots Godin, because they're still smarter than you.
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