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Assassin Khul
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.03 10:58:00 -
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Why is it getting nerf,if the problem is bricktanking then limit the hp a scout should have.250hp for armor sounds good,and shields 200hp.If you can't scan them make caldari,you people that lazy.Everything else is ok but cloak.Please give me a reasonable answer of what you think of this post.P.s I hate Caldari,Gal,Heavies and tanks.
Hate Caldari,Heavies and tanks,with dropships.Love speed kills and Deaths
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
1624
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:01:00 -
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Cause scrubs with brickness cloak + shotgun in MY suit that I will ALWAYS wear better.
My suit gets nerfed cause of you AGAIN and you wanna ban me cause you don't know how to balance?!
Come at me CCP!
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2617
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:02:00 -
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Bad post. Let Scouts be slow. It makes it easier to kill them. |
Assassin Khul
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:05:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Bad post. Let Scouts be slow. It makes it easier to kill them.
Scouts are suppose to be fast on their feet.
Hate Caldari,Heavies and tanks,with dropships.Love speed kills and Deaths
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
1626
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:28:00 -
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Assassin Khul wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Bad post. Let Scouts be slow. It makes it easier to kill them. Scouts are suppose to be fast on their feet.
The slower the easier to knife. Minus the back pedal.
My suit gets nerfed cause of you AGAIN and you wanna ban me cause you don't know how to balance?!
Come at me CCP!
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Assassin Khul
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:39:00 -
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Back paddel way to fast, your backing up not walking foward
Hate Caldari,Heavies and tanks,with dropships.Love speed kills and Deaths.If I see a heavy I will knife it
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
3479
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:46:00 -
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Cloak is bullsh*t. It needs a to be fixed/nerfed. A cloaked shotty scout takes 0 skill and is one of the worst things ever to happen to this game. Why CCP ever thought firing while invisible was a fair mechanic I will never know.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
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Izlare Lenix
Last VenDetta.
Dark Taboo
634
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:04:00 -
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Only scrubs think brick tanked scouts are an issue.
My 300hp scouts eats 700hp scouts all day long.
This is because bad players think more hp makes them better when in fact it makes them slower and easier to scan and a slow scanned scout is a dead scout.
Fast, fully dampend, cloak glitch shotgun scouts are the true problem.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Assassin Khul
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:10:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Cloak is bullsh*t. It needs a to be fixed/nerfed. A cloaked shotty scout takes 0 skill and is one of the worst things ever to happen to this game. Why CCP ever thought firing while invisible was a fair mechanic I will never know.
Only for a sec,and your not invisible your still visible they have shimmer you blind newb.Only in bright light.
Hate Caldari,Heavies and tanks,with dropships.Love speed kills and Deaths.If I see a heavy I will knife it
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azzkikr 619
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:13:00 -
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How about we bring back every Op weapon back to their prime stats so everyone dies alot from everything, Laser rifles that creamed everyone who got in the way, Tac rifle whos damage and range where so OP everyone just avoided them,
mass drivers that everything go boom before you could retaliate, flaylocks that killed by shooting at their feet, fuse grenades that gave you an easy way out of dying but just blowing up the huh who you couldnt outshoot. Etc etc
Director and FC of the Third Day
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Assassin Khul
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:16:00 -
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How hard is it to scan a scout,just use the precision mod thing.If their gone their dead or cloak.Just for them where they left off.I have you know using a shotgun does in fact require skills.Front=dead cloak scout,While back=safe scout.
Hate Caldari,Heavies and tanks,with dropships.Love speed kills and Deaths.If I see a heavy I will knife it
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Assassin Khul
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:17:00 -
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azzkikr 619 wrote:How about we bring back every Op weapon back to their prime stats so everyone dies alot from everything, Laser rifles that creamed everyone who got in the way, Tac rifle whos damage and range where so OP everyone just avoided them,
mass drivers that everything go boom before you could retaliate, flaylocks that killed by shooting at their feet, fuse grenades that gave you an easy way out of dying but just blowing up the huh who you couldnt outshoot. Etc etc
Are you mocking me
Hate Caldari,Heavies and tanks,with dropships.Love speed kills and Deaths.If I see a heavy I will knife it
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
3481
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:23:00 -
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Assassin Khul wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Cloak is bullsh*t. It needs a to be fixed/nerfed. A cloaked shotty scout takes 0 skill and is one of the worst things ever to happen to this game. Why CCP ever thought firing while invisible was a fair mechanic I will never know. Only for a sec,and your not invisible your still visible they have shimmer you blind newb.Only in bright light.
Not even sure how to respond to that waste of text, chief, other than to say don't bother defending your crutch. It's sad.
I've been playing this game for close to 16 months and seen a lot of BS, but being able to fire 2 shotgun rounds while cloaked is stupid, which is why the CPM lobbied hard to get rid of it in the first place. Too bad Can't Code Properly put it in by mistake anyway.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
442
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:24:00 -
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Cloak nerf is needed. Really, they should also take an equipment slot from scouts as well.
That being said, turn brightness to 20 and you pretty much will always see the cloaked guy every time.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
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Michael Arck
4589
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:36:00 -
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I really don't see why they are nerfing cloaks. It wasn't like you were going to see the scout anyway because he's shooting you from behind. Also, if the scout moving he shimmers.
I heard the argument about getting shots off before the cloak goes. I think its a cheap argument. If you saw the scout, you would live (assuming your gun game was up to par in that 1v1) and if you didn't, cloak or not, he's getting shots off on you before you can react.
Plus don't we have a hit detection problem with shottys? So just how really advantageous the cloaked scout getting shots off before decloaking really is? I just do not see it as a significant problem. I see it as angle for people to use because CCP said it shouldn't be happening and they just want the cloaks nerfed just because people are tired of dying to cloaked scouts. Plain and simple.
The argument is pure hogwash
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Scheneighnay McBob
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
5142
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:37:00 -
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I personally have my doubts about the nerf as well.
Players may need to sacrifice tank to get their low profile back. However, it's unknown yet how much they actually need a low profile.
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Ghost Kaisar
The Last of DusT.
General Tso's Alliance
5085
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:51:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Only scrubs think brick tanked scouts are an issue.
My 300hp scout eats 700hp scouts all day long.
This is because bad players think more hp makes them better when in fact it makes them slower and easier to scan and a slow scanned scout is a dead scout.
Fast, fully dampend, cloak glitch shotgun scouts are the true problem.
Here is my problem: I have to sacrifice HP to go stealth. On a min Scout, 2x Damps are required. PG restrictions make it tough to run 3x Complex Shields and still have enough PG to fill other slots. My min scout CANNOT use that second equipment.
But the Gal Scout?
1x Damp is all you need. Stack 2x Plates and a speed. 2x Shields in the high. You can still run a proto shotty and M209 AND run RE's on TOP of a cloak.
This Gal fit has well over 700 HP, while still sprinting at 8.55 m/s along with better scan range, armor rep, and remotes.
My Min Scout will barely break 400 HP, sprints at 9.35 and can only run Ishnoks and a primary that is less than 8 PG, without remotes.
Same meta level gear, along with the same passives. This is the problem. Gal gets so many inherent bonuses on top of not having to run 2x damps.
Since they have so many low slots to do what they want with, they can stack HP with little to no problem.
The new changes to eWAR will stop them from running 1x Damp. Now they need to run 2x Damp. If they want HP and Speed, they will have far less health and less repair to boot.
However, this only brings back the Gal scout. Min and Amarr are still suckish compared to the others. Min Scouts will find it almost impossible to dodge scans unless they want to run 2x Damp and Proto Cloak on ALL fits. The 2x Precision Cal scout will basically remove all fitting versatility from the min scout.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
1332
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Posted - 2014.06.04 02:02:00 -
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Why do you keep posting about Scouts, OP?
What do want exactly?
Shoot scout with yes...
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Pvt Numnutz
Watchdoge Explosives
1342
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Posted - 2014.06.04 02:54:00 -
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Wouldn't the proposed Nerf help fix brick tanked scouts tho? From what I read they are decreasing the usefulness of basic cloack and upping the higher end models to encourage specialization. Sounds good, all I have is a basic and it does more for me than a proto one would.
If the proto and adv cloaks cost more fitting then that decreases tank fitting. So quick and cloaky, or slow and bulky? A lot of brick scouts will die when their basic cloacks aren't all that good anymore.
I think....correct me if I'm wrong. |
Assassin Khul
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2014.06.04 03:27:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Wouldn't the proposed Nerf help fix brick tanked scouts tho? From what I read they are decreasing the usefulness of basic cloack and upping the higher end models to encourage specialization. Sounds good, all I have is a basic and it does more for me than a proto one would.
If the proto and adv cloaks cost more fitting then that decreases tank fitting. So quick and cloaky, or slow and bulky? A lot of brick scouts will die when their basic cloacks aren't all that good anymore.
I think....correct me if I'm wrong.
Least someone with a good point
Hate Caldari,Heavies and tanks,with dropships.Love speed kills and Deaths.If I see a heavy I will knife it
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
448
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Posted - 2014.06.04 03:48:00 -
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Quote:Wouldn't the proposed Nerf help fix brick tanked scouts tho? From what I read they are decreasing the usefulness of basic cloack and upping the higher end models to encourage specialization. Sounds good, all I have is a basic and it does more for me than a proto one would.
If the proto and adv cloaks cost more fitting then that decreases tank fitting. So quick and cloaky, or slow and bulky? A lot of brick scouts will die when their basic cloacks aren't all that good anymore.
I think....correct me if I'm wrong.
Here is the thing. The cloak removes the capacity for scouts to have an easy time getting the jump on players. It requires that all scouts put extra effort into dampening if they really want to be invisible. That is one element that will lower the total EHP scouts use.
The 2nd element is the speed penalty has been increased with armor plates (basic and ADV.). This re-establishes speed tanking as being a bit more viable.
The third nerf is the increase in PG/CPU costs for Basic and Adv armor plates. Although it isn't significant it will force players to have to make tough decisions since the majority of players ran basic to adv cloak. now, in order to get ample dampening bonus and cloak time most people will have to go to adv or proto. Combined with armor plate PG and CPU costs this will make it more difficult to be a dampened (explained in the 4th paragraph), have high ehp, scan, be fast, and be invisible all at the same time. now, scouts will have to choose which route they want.
4th nerf is the nerf from 5% to 3% for Cal and Gal bonuses. This is HUGE. It used to be that one would have to cripple themselves to counter them (i.e. a dampened min scout). Now this makes Gal and Cal scouts HAVE TO use slots to get the crazy bonuses they had before. Gal's will have to run 2x dampeners at a minimum to get under Cal radar. That only leaves two slots left. If a gal wants to be cloaked they will likely run adv. Damage mods and Complex shields as well Kinkats take up too much CPU and PG to also allow a second equipment (i.e. uplinks, RE's, hives, etc.), proto LW, and decent sidearm. Gal Scouts HAVE TO make tough decisions. Same with a cal scout. They used to be able to run 1x complex precision enhancer but now, to be a truly effective "hunter" they will HAVE TO wear 2 of them. no room for damage mods if they want to be under other Cal scouts radars and have some HP.
Basically No more 700 ehp scouts under radar or constantly running from you because they see you so easily. If a cal scout wants to run 2 armor plates and no dampener than a min scout WILL catch them and kill them 9 times out o10 even if they expect it. Or a medium that see them in scans or tacnet will take them out.
Anyway, in short, changes in the cloak are one of many elements that will be nerfing scouts in general.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
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