DUST Search - Scouts are only OP cus of broken ass hit detection...

aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote:

THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

Yet everyones talking about ewar and how important it is...uh...no. In pc gallogis will just use duvolle focused scanners...in pubs people will just use caldari scouts with range amplifiers and stack shields while abusing hit detection with strafe...
Then some people will once in awhile pull out a gallente scout with dampeners to beat the caldari scouts scans.....
That is literally the entire extent of ewar in this game.

And yet people are hailing it as the reason scouts are op...
No.
Cloaks are decent, they let you get in close.
But the REAL REASON they're op is just because hit detection is too damn broken to hit them for enough damage without using a combat rifle or hmg because of the fast fire rate. Duvolles work good as well.
Lol ewar.
Lol cloak.
Omgwtfbbq blue-shielding invincible scouts sponging bullets.

Fix hit detection and scouts will be instantly balanced.

Since when does NS give a **** about whats OP and, how to stop the exploitation of whatever is OP, hell thats all they have done since Ive been in this game.......

Your post is making me facepalm. ò.ó Nyan!~~=[,,..,,]:3 Nyain SanGäó (rated ® for rape) is currently accepting hatemails.

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THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 1171	Posted - 2014.05.31 23:40:00 - [1] - Quote Yet everyones talking about ewar and how important it is...uh...no. In pc gallogis will just use duvolle focused scanners...in pubs people will just use caldari scouts with range amplifiers and stack shields while abusing hit detection with strafe... Then some people will once in awhile pull out a gallente scout with dampeners to beat the caldari scouts scans..... That is literally the entire extent of ewar in this game. And yet people are hailing it as the reason scouts are op... No. Cloaks are decent, they let you get in close. But the REAL REASON they're op is just because hit detection is too damn broken to hit them for enough damage without using a combat rifle or hmg because of the fast fire rate. Duvolles work good as well. Lol ewar. Lol cloak. Omgwtfbbq blue-shielding invincible scouts sponging bullets. Fix hit detection and scouts will be instantly balanced. Your post is making me facepalm. ò.ó Nyan!~~=[,,..,,]:3 Nyain SanGäó (rated ® for rape) is currently accepting hatemails.
aaaasdff ertgfdd Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2014.05.31 23:56:00 - [2] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Yet everyones talking about ewar and how important it is...uh...no. In pc gallogis will just use duvolle focused scanners...in pubs people will just use caldari scouts with range amplifiers and stack shields while abusing hit detection with strafe... Then some people will once in awhile pull out a gallente scout with dampeners to beat the caldari scouts scans..... That is literally the entire extent of ewar in this game. And yet people are hailing it as the reason scouts are op... No. Cloaks are decent, they let you get in close. But the REAL REASON they're op is just because hit detection is too damn broken to hit them for enough damage without using a combat rifle or hmg because of the fast fire rate. Duvolles work good as well. Lol ewar. Lol cloak. Omgwtfbbq blue-shielding invincible scouts sponging bullets. Fix hit detection and scouts will be instantly balanced. Since when does NS give a **** about whats OP and, how to stop the exploitation of whatever is OP, hell thats all they have done since Ive been in this game.......
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 1171	Posted - 2014.06.01 00:01:00 - [3] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Yet everyones talking about ewar and how important it is...uh...no. In pc gallogis will just use duvolle focused scanners...in pubs people will just use caldari scouts with range amplifiers and stack shields while abusing hit detection with strafe... Then some people will once in awhile pull out a gallente scout with dampeners to beat the caldari scouts scans..... That is literally the entire extent of ewar in this game. And yet people are hailing it as the reason scouts are op... No. Cloaks are decent, they let you get in close. But the REAL REASON they're op is just because hit detection is too damn broken to hit them for enough damage without using a combat rifle or hmg because of the fast fire rate. Duvolles work good as well. Lol ewar. Lol cloak. Omgwtfbbq blue-shielding invincible scouts sponging bullets. Fix hit detection and scouts will be instantly balanced. Since when does NS give a **** about whats OP and, how to stop the exploitation of whatever is OP, hell thats all they have done since Ive been in this game....... Please proceed to the nearest biomassing station. Your post is making me facepalm. ò.ó Nyan!~~=[,,..,,]:3 Nyain SanGäó (rated ® for rape) is currently accepting hatemails.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8996	Posted - 2014.06.01 01:56:00 - [4] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: Since when does NS give a **** about whats OP and, how to stop the exploitation of whatever is OP, hell thats all they have done since Ive been in this game....... http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Association_fallacy HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 500	Posted - 2014.06.01 02:01:00 - [5] - Quote Did you figure this out while you were redline rail tanking? (Quit hiding every time you get shot. Come at me bro. You only have 5x my HP and the ability to travel 100x faster - what're you scared of?) PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 1173	Posted - 2014.06.01 02:11:00 - [6] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: Did you figure this out while you were redline rail tanking? (Quit hiding every time you get shot. Come at me bro. You only have 5x my HP and the ability to travel 100x faster - what're you scared of?) Boo hoo want me to call the waaaahmbulance for ya? Your post is making me facepalm. ò.ó Nyan!~~=[,,..,,]:3 Nyain SanGäó (rated ® for rape) is currently accepting hatemails.
aaaasdff ertgfdd Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2014.06.02 04:16:00 - [7] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: Did you figure this out while you were redline rail tanking? (Quit hiding every time you get shot. Come at me bro. You only have 5x my HP and the ability to travel 100x faster - what're you scared of?) Boo hoo want me to call the waaaahmbulance for ya? Nothing personal pothead im just pointing out that your corp has always taken advantage of whatever was exploitable, not that I dont agree that hit detection is a problem, but strafing is legit defensive strategy, as moving targets are harder to hit, however out strafeing every shot is improbable and therefore highly suspect. Scouts themselves are not the problem, but coupled with a cloak and shotgun they are indeed too powerful, certain scouts though not all are too powerful when compared to the other scout. I think Cal and Gal are centainly more dominant than Minja and Ammar, and even between the top 2 I think most would agree Gal is the most dominamt. This is not simply due to hit detection. There are a host of factors, including built in reps, built in dampener, and 4 low slots, the Gal bonus is so powerful simply because it starts off with more dampening than Cal has precision, and the complex dampening gives 25% while precision complex mods give 20%. Meaning all things being equal dampening always wins, and combined with the cloaks dampening affect creates a scout that is invisible to everything. The Cal on the other hand lights up everything like a christmas tree and since our radar on passive scans allows you to see which way the enemy is facing this creates an unprecedented opportunity of precise sneak attacks and prefire around corners, which can only be countered by the op gal scout. My point here simply being welcome NS to the world of trying to figure balance, glad you came, but this issue wont be fixed with better hit detection.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13920	Posted - 2014.06.02 06:43:00 - [8] - Quote 'Broken hit detection' is definitely not the only reason for scout dominance. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Cross Atu for CPM1
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 76	Posted - 2014.06.02 07:25:00 - [9] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: Did you figure this out while you were redline rail tanking? (Quit hiding every time you get shot. Come at me bro. You only have 5x my HP and the ability to travel 100x faster - what're you scared of?) Boo hoo want me to call the waaaahmbulance for ya? Might have to call it for CCP because every exploitation helps to add to the bonfire of why Dust is potentially going to be scrapped in favor of Legion at some point [where even if Legion is in a prototype state there's nothing left to salvage it]. So yeah, go ahead and do every exploitable sh*t you want. I could care less honestly. I don't measure my internet awesomeness based on the ability to protostomp. Remember the 90's how guys would impress chics with their stereo system? That's how your impressing people right now with your protostomping skills. Maybe try something original for once maybe? And yea I'm realistic and know ppl won't stop exploiting the game as much as Thale users won't stop sniping from the redline anymore than a Sica with a railgun would anymore than any scout won't have a cloak in use but I'll call the waambulance for you when you cry about Dust going away and you need to cry about how you can't prove your manliness via protostomping anymore.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3335	Posted - 2014.06.02 09:16:00 - [10] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 'Broken hit detection' is definitely not the only reason for scout dominance. Another one is people being terribad at hitting a strafing scout in CQC. I mean, I'm a lv4 CalScout atm; my biggest advantage is not my HP regen, or my scans (although they're big ones). It's strafe speed and idiotic pubbies. Same with my Dragonfly, really. Fight the same guy in my Amarr Logi with 2-3x the EHP and I take 2-3x as much damage. It's the speed and the strafe. The marginalising of the assaults is why they're frustrating to me (and the reason I'm skilling it). BlowoutForCPM

Thurak1 Psygod9 771	Posted - 2014.06.02 09:32:00 - [11] - Quote I thought i was just imagining it that i couldn't seem to hit scouts.
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 105	Posted - 2014.06.02 09:39:00 - [12] - Quote u mad NS scrub? let us transfer our BPOs,stats,gear,ISK and SP to legion pl0x! Try and steal my BPOs. I dare ya. AMARRIAN4LYFE
PARKOUR PRACTIONER The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 1612	Posted - 2014.06.02 09:52:00 - [13] - Quote I think you might be high. My suit gets nerfed cause of you AGAIN and you wanna ban me cause you don't know how to balance?! Come at me CCP!
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 513	Posted - 2014.06.02 14:19:00 - [14] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: Did you figure this out while you were redline rail tanking? (Quit hiding every time you get shot. Come at me bro. You only have 5x my HP and the ability to travel 100x faster - what're you scared of?) Boo hoo want me to call the waaaahmbulance for ya? I'm not crying. You're an overpowered chickenshit. Just sayin'... PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1261	Posted - 2014.06.02 14:26:00 - [15] - Quote Don't you drive a Tank? Yes, hit detection could be improved and all, but let's be realistic when we toss around terms like "OP" ... When we see 50+ KDRs on the weekly leaderboards, are we looking at Scouts or Tankers? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
aaaasdff ertgfdd Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2014.06.02 20:41:00 - [16] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Don't you drive a Tank? Yes, hit detection could be improved and all, but let's be realistic when we toss around terms like "OP" ... When we see 50+ KDRs on the weekly leaderboards, are we looking at Scouts or Tankers? 50+ is def tanks, scouts are op vs assaults and logis for sure, heavys not so much.....


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