DUST Search - Dampening nerf to cloaks only makes the caldari scout stronger...

Appia Nappia wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:

A proto cal scout with 4 complex mods should be able to see a gal scout with 4 complex damps unless he also runs a cloak.... Then only a gal logi with a focused scanner should see him. But a gal scout should be able to to see a cal scout with two complex dampness mods unless he runs a cloak. Fair?

See, here's a problem for you.
Scanning is simply better.

Scanning lets you see everyone on the enemy team, while dampening only hides you and you alone.
That means that against ONE scanner, you need to change your ENTIRE TEAM to dampened suits to hide.

Not so fair now, is it?

I like to state it in more simplified terms:
Front-line, ambush, and flanking are all tactics

Front-line is your standard push. Assaults and Sentinels with Logistics to support them group up and move forward together to attack of defend a single point.

Ambush is a tactic you use to surround your enemies as you lay in wait for them to walk into a trap.

Flanking is sending a smaller force to a side to reduce the concentration of enemy fire and to whittle them down faster than they can hurt you.

Scanning directly inhibits the effectiveness of a tactic. Scanning gives you the information needed to see an ambush waiting for you through a wall and behind cover. Scannig gives you knowledge of an enemy trying to flank you. You can split up and prepare for the assault from two sides with that information. For a Rail Rifle with it's small charge up time, when you know someone is around the corner you can get that charge going and hit someone as soon as you get Line of Sight.

On the other end. Scanning gives you the information needed to set up a better ambush. You know how many enemies are coming so you don't jump the middle of them and have to fight a battle from two sides. Scanning gives you the information of how many people they have on defense to better set up a flank by having more information you can better plan who and how many to split off.

The only thing Dampening does is protects you from Scanning.
Scanning benefits the squad. Dampening protects only you. Scanning reduces the need for tactics and planning. Dampening returns complexity to the battlefield.

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Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 952	Posted - 2014.05.30 21:19:00 - [1] - Quote like we needed that to happen, thank you CCP... Minmitar scout and Amarr scout are now even more pointless.
BLOOD Ruler The Lionheart Coalition 281	Posted - 2014.05.31 06:30:00 - [2] - Quote The amarr comes in second place for stealth reason. All eyes on me till you drop dead in your Blood mmmm yummy
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 149	Posted - 2014.06.01 03:55:00 - [3] - Quote A proto cal scout with 4 complex mods should be able to see a gal scout with 4 complex damps unless he also runs a cloak.... Then only a gal logi with a focused scanner should see him. But a gal scout should be able to to see a cal scout with two complex dampness mods unless he runs a cloak. Fair? Lonewolf till I die
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 149	Posted - 2014.06.01 03:57:00 - [4] - Quote Then ama and Minnie with three complexes could still see the caldari. Not sure someone do the math. Lonewolf till I die
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 10074	Posted - 2014.06.01 04:39:00 - [5] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: A proto cal scout with 4 complex mods should be able to see a gal scout with 4 complex damps unless he also runs a cloak.... Then only a gal logi with a focused scanner should see him. But a gal scout should be able to to see a cal scout with two complex dampness mods unless he runs a cloak. Fair? See, here's a problem for you. Scanning is simply better. Scanning lets you see everyone on the enemy team, while dampening only hides you and you alone. That means that against ONE scanner, you need to change your ENTIRE TEAM to dampened suits to hide. Not so fair now, is it? Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Appia Nappia 835	Posted - 2014.06.01 18:10:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: A proto cal scout with 4 complex mods should be able to see a gal scout with 4 complex damps unless he also runs a cloak.... Then only a gal logi with a focused scanner should see him. But a gal scout should be able to to see a cal scout with two complex dampness mods unless he runs a cloak. Fair? See, here's a problem for you. Scanning is simply better. Scanning lets you see everyone on the enemy team, while dampening only hides you and you alone. That means that against ONE scanner, you need to change your ENTIRE TEAM to dampened suits to hide. Not so fair now, is it? I like to state it in more simplified terms: Front-line, ambush, and flanking are all tactics Front-line is your standard push. Assaults and Sentinels with Logistics to support them group up and move forward together to attack of defend a single point. Ambush is a tactic you use to surround your enemies as you lay in wait for them to walk into a trap. Flanking is sending a smaller force to a side to reduce the concentration of enemy fire and to whittle them down faster than they can hurt you. Scanning directly inhibits the effectiveness of a tactic. Scanning gives you the information needed to see an ambush waiting for you through a wall and behind cover. Scannig gives you knowledge of an enemy trying to flank you. You can split up and prepare for the assault from two sides with that information. For a Rail Rifle with it's small charge up time, when you know someone is around the corner you can get that charge going and hit someone as soon as you get Line of Sight. On the other end. Scanning gives you the information needed to set up a better ambush. You know how many enemies are coming so you don't jump the middle of them and have to fight a battle from two sides. Scanning gives you the information of how many people they have on defense to better set up a flank by having more information you can better plan who and how many to split off. The only thing Dampening does is protects you from Scanning. Scanning benefits the squad. Dampening protects only you. Scanning reduces the need for tactics and planning. Dampening returns complexity to the battlefield. Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 10089	Posted - 2014.06.01 18:12:00 - [7] - Quote Appia Nappia wrote: Cat Merc wrote: HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: A proto cal scout with 4 complex mods should be able to see a gal scout with 4 complex damps unless he also runs a cloak.... Then only a gal logi with a focused scanner should see him. But a gal scout should be able to to see a cal scout with two complex dampness mods unless he runs a cloak. Fair? See, here's a problem for you. Scanning is simply better. Scanning lets you see everyone on the enemy team, while dampening only hides you and you alone. That means that against ONE scanner, you need to change your ENTIRE TEAM to dampened suits to hide. Not so fair now, is it? I like to state it in more simplified terms: Front-line, ambush, and flanking are all tactics Front-line is your standard push. Assaults and Sentinels with Logistics to support them group up and move forward together to attack of defend a single point. Ambush is a tactic you use to surround your enemies as you lay in wait for them to walk into a trap. Flanking is sending a smaller force to a side to reduce the concentration of enemy fire and to whittle them down faster than they can hurt you. Scanning directly inhibits the effectiveness of a tactic. Scanning gives you the information needed to see an ambush waiting for you through a wall and behind cover. Scannig gives you knowledge of an enemy trying to flank you. You can split up and prepare for the assault from two sides with that information. For a Rail Rifle with it's small charge up time, when you know someone is around the corner you can get that charge going and hit someone as soon as you get Line of Sight. On the other end. Scanning gives you the information needed to set up a better ambush. You know how many enemies are coming so you don't jump the middle of them and have to fight a battle from two sides. Scanning gives you the information of how many people they have on defense to better set up a flank by having more information you can better plan who and how many to split off. The only thing Dampening does is protects you from Scanning. Scanning benefits the squad. Dampening protects only you. Scanning reduces the need for tactics and planning. Dampening returns complexity to the battlefield. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 161	Posted - 2014.06.01 19:15:00 - [8] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: A proto cal scout with 4 complex mods should be able to see a gal scout with 4 complex damps unless he also runs a cloak.... Then only a gal logi with a focused scanner should see him. But a gal scout should be able to to see a cal scout with two complex dampness mods unless he runs a cloak. Fair? See, here's a problem for you. Scanning is simply better. Scanning lets you see everyone on the enemy team, while dampening only hides you and you alone. That means that against ONE scanner, you need to change your ENTIRE TEAM to dampened suits to hide. Not so fair now, is it? Just your squad not the team ... Running solo because you don't have the time for q-syncing jerkoffs. They won't see anything. I run 2-3 complex precision enhancers on every fit I have ( leaving me paper thin and weak ) unless it's av glass cannon fit. 5 CPM on a proto cal logi and I can't see you seem fair? Lonewolf till I die
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3176	Posted - 2014.06.02 00:58:00 - [9] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: like we needed that to happen, thank you CCP... Minmitar scout and Amarr scout are now even more pointless. well duh. Guess what im gonna get when the patch drops.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 129	Posted - 2014.06.02 02:25:00 - [10] - Quote all i know is i will pick Min Scout most likely when I have enough SP to start skilling into scouts and this is a travesty that even with 2 complex damps, the majestic Minja can't hide from a Caldari Scum Scout with 2 complex precisions. Guess if I do choose Minja I'd better bring a flux scanner on stealth hack runs. dinosaurs for legion, oh wait i won't be playing it



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