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Leeroy Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.05.30 04:21:00 -
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I've a few of these left (faction packs etc), and I'd hate for my money to be lost to the ether, particularly if everything else is carrying over. Would definitely appreciate an answer, and doubly so if it's positive!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
8722
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Posted - 2014.05.30 04:31:00 -
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I have no doubt CCP can port that over. The problem is how. With character progression and certain changes to mechanics and stats taking place, we have no idea how much those AUR items will be changed once they transfer over.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10360
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Posted - 2014.05.30 04:47:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I have no doubt CCP can port that over. The problem is how. With character progression and certain changes to mechanics and stats taking place, we have no idea how much those AUR items will be changed once they transfer over.
AS long as they look badass and have fitting colour schemes for each racial or factional grouping then by all mean I could care less if I have more of them, less of them, they were better, worse, etc.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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Aoena Rays
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
495
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Posted - 2014.05.30 08:18:00 -
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They will just probably give you equivalent amount of AUR in Legion as to how much money you spent in dust so far. It is simple and you can spend your paid currency again after that. AUR respec anyone said? XD
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens Final Resolution.
1938
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Posted - 2014.05.30 10:44:00 -
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CCP has no idea. It is more complicated than you might think. First off, no Aurum modules exist in Legion. Okay so how does CCP handle this? An Aurum refund, right? Well... there's the problem.
Does anyone remember when the game was in beta? They stated multiple times that there would be an Aurum refund for everything spent once the game came out of beta and was launched though not for boosters obviously. However, that did not happen. The reason was likely due to the Militia Blueprints. You see, they used to cost about a tenth of their final price but CCP increased the prices quite a bit; like 30 Aurum to 4,800 Aurm. If they would have refunded, they would either have people with hundreds of thousands of free Aurum or people with a fraction of what they were supposed to get. So that did not happen.
Legion has the same problem. For the lottery, Jadek Menaheim has over 40,000 Aurum items to be given to the winner. Steelmine HMG's, Vapor Locus Grenades, Aurum Madrugars. One of the reasons he has so much is that those items were on sale over a year ago. So how does CCP go about refunding him? They may be able to tell "This account bought a pack of Aurum that cost X amount of dollars" but they surely cannot know how he spent that Aurum. He may have bought 9,000 Steelmines for 50 Aurum a piece or he may have paid 25. Can they know for sure?
Jeez, how many of us have Aurum Forge Guns and HMG's from Operation Mauler? Do we get free Aurum for that?
My Sever and Raven suits are not that bad. I paid 19,400 AUR each. That can be refunded easily enough.
What about my 350 1.5dn Myofibril Stimulants that I got as part of buying all my Mercenary Packs? Those were never made available for Aurum. If I am to lose those, am I getting anything for it? I mean, the value of the 20 dollars I put into each pack was based on having those modules, something they were keen to tell me could not be attained anywhere else. So do those go poof? Same with my Dragonfly suits and Toxin SMG's.
Worse one: Dren/Covenant pack. Straight 100 dollars for BPO suits that will NOT exist in Legion. I don't see CCP going "here's 100 back"; what is a no skill required Cal Assault, Gal Scout, Amarr Heavy, Min Logi, Shotgun, Swarm Launcher, Plasma Rifle, Scrambler Pistol, and LAV BPO worth? You may say "100 dollar Aurum pack" but I didn't buy a 100 dollar Aurum pack. That is like Walmart coming into my house, taking back my 100 dollar limited edition tea set and giving me a 100 dollar gift card for "Tea Set Sellers."
It really is a mess and I don't see it ending well for us customers. I have an eerie sense of peace about it because I know I am going to be absolutely, 100% screwed. It is just a matter of how bad it will be; "will it be a tiny micro fastener or an industrial auger?" is the only question I have left.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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PLAYSTTION
Universal Allies Inc.
142
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Posted - 2014.05.30 11:35:00 -
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Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:I've a few of these left (faction packs etc), and I'd hate for my money to be lost to the ether, particularly if everything else is carrying over. Would definitely appreciate an answer, and doubly so if it's positive! gone. most assets will be terminated. Im hoping BPOs get transferred tho so vets can have nice looking suits
44/4 in a BPO Scout 40/5 in a Proto Assault
Open Beta Vet 22mil sp
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
371
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Posted - 2014.05.30 11:53:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:CCP has no idea. It is more complicated than you might think. First off, no Aurum modules exist in Legion. Okay so how does CCP handle this? An Aurum refund, right? Well... there's the problem.
Does anyone remember when the game was in beta? They stated multiple times that there would be an Aurum refund for everything spent once the game came out of beta and was launched though not for boosters obviously. However, that did not happen. The reason was likely due to the Militia Blueprints. You see, they used to cost about a tenth of their final price but CCP increased the prices quite a bit; like 30 Aurum to 4,800 Aurm. If they would have refunded, they would either have people with hundreds of thousands of free Aurum or people with a fraction of what they were supposed to get. So that did not happen.
Legion has the same problem. For the lottery, Jadek Menaheim has over 40,000 Aurum items to be given to the winner. Steelmine HMG's, Vapor Locus Grenades, Aurum Madrugars. One of the reasons he has so much is that those items were on sale over a year ago. So how does CCP go about refunding him? They may be able to tell "This account bought a pack of Aurum that cost X amount of dollars" but they surely cannot know how he spent that Aurum. He may have bought 9,000 Steelmines for 50 Aurum a piece or he may have paid 25. Can they know for sure?
Jeez, how many of us have Aurum Forge Guns and HMG's from Operation Mauler? Do we get free Aurum for that?
My Sever and Raven suits are not that bad. I paid 19,400 AUR each. That can be refunded easily enough.
What about my 350 1.5dn Myofibril Stimulants that I got as part of buying all my Mercenary Packs? Those were never made available for Aurum. If I am to lose those, am I getting anything for it? I mean, the value of the 20 dollars I put into each pack was based on having those modules, something they were keen to tell me could not be attained anywhere else. So do those go poof? Same with my Dragonfly suits and Toxin SMG's.
Worse one: Dren/Covenant pack. Straight 100 dollars for BPO suits that will NOT exist in Legion. I don't see CCP going "here's 100 back"; what is a no skill required Cal Assault, Gal Scout, Amarr Heavy, Min Logi, Shotgun, Swarm Launcher, Plasma Rifle, Scrambler Pistol, and LAV BPO worth? You may say "100 dollar Aurum pack" but I didn't buy a 100 dollar Aurum pack. That is like Walmart coming into my house, taking back my 100 dollar limited edition tea set and giving me a 100 dollar gift card for "Tea Set Sellers."
It really is a mess and I don't see it ending well for us customers. I have an eerie sense of peace about it because I know I am going to be absolutely, 100% screwed. It is just a matter of how bad it will be; "will it be a tiny micro fastener or an industrial auger?" is the only question I have left.
I agree with you; I just want to know in black and white.
Save me some fretting.
Imma use all the protogear before Legion anyway :)
MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK
It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart...
CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
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Forlorn Destrier
2514
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Posted - 2014.05.30 22:41:00 -
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Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:I've a few of these left (faction packs etc), and I'd hate for my money to be lost to the ether, particularly if everything else is carrying over. Would definitely appreciate an answer, and doubly so if it's positive!
They were bought for Dust not Legion. I imagine though CCP will try to figure a way to transfer them. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
8722
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Posted - 2014.05.31 00:24:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:It really is a mess and I don't see it ending well for us customers. I have an eerie sense of peace about it because I know I am going to be absolutely, 100% screwed. It is just a matter of how bad it will be; "will it be a tiny micro fastener or an industrial auger?" is the only question I have left.
Well, there's always an alternative.
Even though CCP said there will be no AUR weapons or suits in Legion, they seem to have said that in the context that Legion itself will not have its own unique AUR weapons or AUR suits. They said nothing about whether the AUR weapons and suits from Dust would be either allowed or prohibited. There is also the fact that CCP Rouge and CCP Saberwing both stated that they want our investment to transfer over. They just don't know how.
The alternative is to just let us keep those Dust-related AUR items and have them transferred over as a "gift" to those who have invested in Dust. And just like the BPOs we have in Dust, these AUR items will just become rare due to the fact that there is no further supply of them within Legion.
CCP allowed me to keep the 'Kindred' Scout long after Chromosome even though they are no longer sold on the market since then. As the supply of these diminish from use (the only consumable suits in Legion), their resale value will increase. As an incentive to using the consumable suits on the battlefield, they could be buffed to proto level or maybe officer level and be only suits and weapons resold on the secondary market for ISK.
What so you think? You still keep what you bought, those AUR suits get buffed to incentivize their use, and you become one of the lucky players to own these rare items that have a high resale value due to their rarity.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens Final Resolution.
1945
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Posted - 2014.05.31 01:02:00 -
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To Maken Tosch:
CCP Z wrote:Think about it this way: there will be no market in the way it has been implemented on PS3. All items have to be looted from our scavenging/pve/wild pvp areas and then traded between players.
Again, no weapon or module will be available for AURUM or give you any type of leapfrogging through the Progression.
Bolded for emphasis. So maybe you are correct that they just won't be sold.
It is true that they could port over Aurum gear and just accept that they will be around for a while but never to return. That does work to an extent. The issue is the idea of "boosting it to prototype"; what if you have both prototype and non-prototype Aurum modules? It would mean that the person that bought normal modules is getting off easier than the person that loaded up on prototype modules; "HIS investment is worth more than mine even though we both put in the same amount of Aurum; he just bought 1,000 basic modules when I bought 700 prototype modules."
That still leaves BPO's. You still have the people with loads of Militia BPO's because they were like 30 AUR and become 4,800 AUR. Some people stockpiled hard on those things when the change was announced. People that bought 10,000 AUR worth (5 dollars) would suddenly get 700+ dollars worth of Aurum. They didn't know how to handle it back in beta and I doubt after a year of more player transactions if they could now. The Aurum Dropsuit BPO's like Skinweave, Raven, Sever, Valor, etc. are easy enough; Aurum for Aurum. Dren, Covenant, Starter Pack Plasma Rifle, and Mercenary pack though... sheesh, the Templar set.
I'd feel bad for CCP if I weren't over the barrel on this one.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
8722
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Posted - 2014.05.31 01:11:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:To Maken Tosch: CCP Z wrote:Think about it this way: there will be no market in the way it has been implemented on PS3. All items have to be looted from our scavenging/pve/wild pvp areas and then traded between players.
Again, no weapon or module will be available for AURUM or give you any type of leapfrogging through the Progression.
Bolded for emphasis. So maybe you are correct that they just won't be sold. It is true that they could port over Aurum gear and just accept that they will be around for a while but never to return. That does work to an extent. The issue is the idea of "boosting it to prototype"; what if you have both prototype and non-prototype Aurum modules? It would mean that the person that bought normal modules is getting off easier than the person that loaded up on prototype modules; "HIS investment is worth more than mine even though we both put in the same amount of Aurum; he just bought 1,000 basic modules when I bought 700 prototype modules." That still leaves BPO's. You still have the people with loads of Militia BPO's because they were like 30 AUR and become 4,800 AUR. Some people stockpiled hard on those things when the change was announced. People that bought 10,000 AUR worth (5 dollars) would suddenly get 700+ dollars worth of Aurum. They didn't know how to handle it back in beta and I doubt after a year of more player transactions if they could now. The Aurum Dropsuit BPO's like Skinweave, Raven, Sever, Valor, etc. are easy enough; Aurum for Aurum. Dren, Covenant, Starter Pack Plasma Rifle, and Mercenary pack though... sheesh, the Templar set. I'd feel bad for CCP if I weren't over the barrel on this one.
I see your point. However I don't think CCP will refund AUR on a BPO that was never an AUR item in the first place.
'Skinweave' Suits - Non-AUR item; Closed Beta Reward 'Exile' Assault Rifle - Non-AUR item; I think this was an Open Beta reward
Also, if AUR on the AUR suits are going to be refunded, what will that mean for anyone who currently owns a 'Kindred' Scout and/or 'Solstice' Scout suits? Those use to be sold for AUR but were taken out at the end of Closed Beta and thus they no longer have an AUR value just like the 'Skinweave' suits and 'Exile' Assault Rifles.
EDIT: In regards to upgrading the AUR suits, that was just a suggestion. Not something to be taken seriously.
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