DUST Search - Sniping from the top of the MCC

Eko Sol wrote:

Here is the thing. If you know me I normally don't complain about much other than people's request for change in the game. Or people who think things are not "balanced" when I believe they are more than balanced.

That being said, this pathetic sniping tactic needs to stop. I'm not kidding. This is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to get in an incubus every time I need to go get one of these losers. How bad at the game do you have to be to HAVE TO snipe from top of the MCC in order to be successful at the game? I am really curious. I've died a total of twice from someone doing this since the time I knew it could be done. Other than that it is the most annoying thing. Not to mention that I have NEVER seen someone give up on it. They ALWAYS go back. But if you don't get rid of them they end up doing well so you HAVE TO jack them up so they know they are scrubs.

Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? Anyone snipe from the MCC and thinks that they are good players because they know how to do this? This is absurd.

My personal fix is that the red becomes a 3 min time limit zone. The time limit resets everytime you die. Once you reach the time limit you only get an effective 15 seconds as normal right now. When you spawn in the ground spawn or the MCC you should be spawning in your own red and the time limit begins immidiately. You should be able to call vehicles in from the red as well.

Thoughts?

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Eko Sol Strange Playings 400	Posted - 2014.05.29 10:05:00 - [1] - Quote Here is the thing. If you know me I normally don't complain about much other than people's request for change in the game. Or people who think things are not "balanced" when I believe they are more than balanced. That being said, this pathetic sniping tactic needs to stop. I'm not kidding. This is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to get in an incubus every time I need to go get one of these losers. How bad at the game do you have to be to HAVE TO snipe from top of the MCC in order to be successful at the game? I am really curious. I've died a total of twice from someone doing this since the time I knew it could be done. Other than that it is the most annoying thing. Not to mention that I have NEVER seen someone give up on it. They ALWAYS go back. But if you don't get rid of them they end up doing well so you HAVE TO jack them up so they know they are scrubs. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? Anyone snipe from the MCC and thinks that they are good players because they know how to do this? This is absurd. My personal fix is that the red becomes a 3 min time limit zone. The time limit resets everytime you die. Once you reach the time limit you only get an effective 15 seconds as normal right now. When you spawn in the ground spawn or the MCC you should be spawning in your own red and the time limit begins immidiately. You should be able to call vehicles in from the red as well. Thoughts? PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Meee One BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 798	Posted - 2014.05.29 10:19:00 - [2] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: Here is the thing. If you know me I normally don't complain about much other than people's request for change in the game. Or people who think things are not "balanced" when I believe they are more than balanced. That being said, this pathetic sniping tactic needs to stop. I'm not kidding. This is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to get in an incubus every time I need to go get one of these losers. How bad at the game do you have to be to HAVE TO snipe from top of the MCC in order to be successful at the game? I am really curious. I've died a total of twice from someone doing this since the time I knew it could be done. Other than that it is the most annoying thing. Not to mention that I have NEVER seen someone give up on it. They ALWAYS go back. But if you don't get rid of them they end up doing well so you HAVE TO jack them up so they know they are scrubs. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? Anyone snipe from the MCC and thinks that they are good players because they know how to do this? This is absurd. My personal fix is that the red becomes a 3 min time limit zone. The time limit resets everytime you die. Once you reach the time limit you only get an effective 15 seconds as normal right now. When you spawn in the ground spawn or the MCC you should be spawning in your own red and the time limit begins immidiately. You should be able to call vehicles in from the red as well. Thoughts? TL;DR redlining isn't fun if we can't stomp the ever living crap out of our enemies,force them to run into our bullets. MCCs should never be close enough to be a viable sniping spot,especially on smaller maps. Players on top of the MCC should die instantly.
LT apparition Molon Labe. 94	Posted - 2014.05.29 10:25:00 - [3] - Quote Just Shoot them off.... i Always do... I think of it as a Free Kill, there no where to run up there. and their Speed is Reduced to like 20%. of their running its kinda funny... We Fight, We Kill, You Die, The End.
Eko Sol Strange Playings 400	Posted - 2014.05.29 10:30:00 - [4] - Quote LT apparition wrote: Just Shoot them off.... i Always do... I think of it as a Free Kill, there no where to run up there. and their Speed is Reduced to like 20%. of their running its kinda funny... I only have a adv tactical. This one in particular was a scout but sometimes they are super brick tanked sentinals and it just isn't happening. Thought about going into proto Min Assault to get that 4th shot out of the tactical. Most heavies take 2 or 3 out of my tactical like it is nothing. Wonder about the surprise 4th...hmm. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
LT apparition Molon Labe. 94	Posted - 2014.05.29 10:32:00 - [5] - Quote haha That Doesn't Matter i Use the C-15 alot and i kill Proto Heavys up there with 3-5 shots. they run even slower than others on mcc's before shooting at them make sure your first meets their T-Zone (head), and you'll kill them. We Fight, We Kill, You Die, The End.
Cpl Foster USMC The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 906	Posted - 2014.05.29 12:46:00 - [6] - Quote from my point of view... it's a battle during a time of war...MCC Sniping, Jihad Jeeps, Heavy+LAV+Scanner, Cloak Shotgunners, 3xRep Maddies, 5x Complex Damage Mods on a Med mk.0 suit... all valid tactics during battle...it only bothers you if you let it, forget about it-die-respawn-rinse & repeat.... Good Teamwork will beat them all... I find a corp I like just when the game is dying....figures....
ERMAGERD IM DEAD Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.05.29 12:55:00 - [7] - Quote LT apparition wrote: Just Shoot them off.... i Always do... I think of it as a Free Kill, there no where to run up there. and their Speed is Reduced to like 20%. of their running its kinda funny... I agree. Like the people that get on top of towers. Easy free kills. Practice with the charge and three complex damage mods. A first shot bean shot and the second shot usually kills most inept heavies and all suits under 400 EHP with one shot.
End Is Here Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 11	Posted - 2014.05.29 13:08:00 - [8] - Quote Lmao! GUILTY AS CHARGED! BUT, I snipe from the ENEMY MCC roof and shoot you clowns in the back. I laugh me azz off when I see 3 ships flying bellow looking for me thale....... Muahahahahahah You can't have me precious! The MCC shields also protect me from shrapnel... At ONE POINT, they had it fixed... no nanos would stick. NOW, you can stack 10 and live FOREVA! We still have to dodge missles from MCC. Only been killed ONCE since beta by missle. Three times by orbitals(just for me/what a waste).
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8941	Posted - 2014.05.29 13:13:00 - [9] - Quote Thale must have touched this one... HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8941	Posted - 2014.05.29 13:22:00 - [10] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: Thoughts? You can counter them by flying an Assault DS up there, and gunning them down; therefore it has a counter that is not part of itself (such as counter sniping). - That's called balance. This idea is bad, and you should feel bad for making it. All it would do is force those who are being redlined to either quit the match, or throw themselves into a meat grinder. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND

fragmentedhackslash Last VenDetta. 271	Posted - 2014.05.29 13:33:00 - [11] - Quote Just a few little things... Scrap this piece of **** engine. Port to PS4. Give me my Minmatar Precision Rifle, long range, bipod, explosive damage. So much for weapon parity in 1.8. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Cpl Foster USMC The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 907	Posted - 2014.05.29 13:39:00 - [12] - Quote come to think of it.. on 2 maps I have a Sniper spot that is as high as the MCC but nowhere near it..it's not a tower and it gives me clear views of 50% of the map and about 75% with a Thale's.. I've only ever seen 1 other person up there (and I killed him for it) am I a scrub or a genius ? what ?!?!....Genius Scrub..?...ok, that's fine..... I find a corp I like just when the game is dying....figures....
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4768	Posted - 2014.05.29 14:31:00 - [13] - Quote Suicide Militia Dropship with an afterburner - 40k? BPO heavy and a HMG - 1.5k Killing an enemy who goes to such lengths to avoid being killed - Priceless For everthing else, there's OBs. RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 477	Posted - 2014.05.29 14:34:00 - [14] - Quote I will burn piles of ISK to go after MCC snipers and Thales users. It's more rewarding than winning a 1vs1 with Charles Bronson. PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race I'll be at Bravo. Come n' get some.
RailTank QQ SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 63	Posted - 2014.05.29 14:38:00 - [15] - Quote Im actually super surprised its taken this long to be a 'whine-able' problem again. Beta it was a huge issue, although when you could snipe down on them from on top of old manus peak it was awesome. then it got fixed in like 1.2.... and broken in like 1.4 good job on the slow up-take snipers. Next youll notice that you can still use rendering to your advantage fairly well. Don't mention popcorn or lackthereof while watching CPM0 go supernova, forum overlords don't like it. SoldnerVonkuechle
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 368	Posted - 2014.05.29 14:54:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: Thale must have touched this one... So you are implicitly supporting redline sniping? MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 297	Posted - 2014.05.29 15:00:00 - [17] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: Here is the thing. If you know me I normally don't complain about much other than people's request for change in the game. Or people who think things are not "balanced" when I believe they are more than balanced. That being said, this pathetic sniping tactic needs to stop. I'm not kidding. This is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to get in an incubus every time I need to go get one of these losers. How bad at the game do you have to be to HAVE TO snipe from top of the MCC in order to be successful at the game? I am really curious. I've died a total of twice from someone doing this since the time I knew it could be done. Other than that it is the most annoying thing. Not to mention that I have NEVER seen someone give up on it. They ALWAYS go back. But if you don't get rid of them they end up doing well so you HAVE TO jack them up so they know they are scrubs. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? Anyone snipe from the MCC and thinks that they are good players because they know how to do this? This is absurd. My personal fix is that the red becomes a 3 min time limit zone. The time limit resets everytime you die. Once you reach the time limit you only get an effective 15 seconds as normal right now. When you spawn in the ground spawn or the MCC you should be spawning in your own red and the time limit begins immidiately. You should be able to call vehicles in from the red as well. Thoughts? Just dodge him and ignore him, hes stupid enoug to care about his kdr while his win loss ratio surely suck... In any cases its not a sufficient annoyance to warrant anything, you cant do anything about kids playin snipers in this game...
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8942	Posted - 2014.05.29 15:42:00 - [18] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Atiim wrote: Thale must have touched this one... So you are implicitly supporting redline sniping? Depends on who's redline we're talking about. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 207	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:33:00 - [19] - Quote They do it because they can, this game is dead andGÇª beer. Are people still trying to seriously play this game? Lol. More than balanced? More than? Lol. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
jpmannu Maphia Clan Corporation 54	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:36:00 - [20] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: Here is the thing. If you know me I normally don't complain about much other than people's request for change in the game. Or people who think things are not "balanced" when I believe they are more than balanced. That being said, this pathetic sniping tactic needs to stop. I'm not kidding. This is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to get in an incubus every time I need to go get one of these losers. How bad at the game do you have to be to HAVE TO snipe from top of the MCC in order to be successful at the game? I am really curious. I've died a total of twice from someone doing this since the time I knew it could be done. Other than that it is the most annoying thing. Not to mention that I have NEVER seen someone give up on it. They ALWAYS go back. But if you don't get rid of them they end up doing well so you HAVE TO jack them up so they know they are scrubs. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? Anyone snipe from the MCC and thinks that they are good players because they know how to do this? This is absurd. My personal fix is that the red becomes a 3 min time limit zone. The time limit resets everytime you die. Once you reach the time limit you only get an effective 15 seconds as normal right now. When you spawn in the ground spawn or the MCC you should be spawning in your own red and the time limit begins immidiately. You should be able to call vehicles in from the red as well. Thoughts? GET LOST

Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 157	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:51:00 - [21] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: Here is the thing. If you know me I normally don't complain about much other than people's request for change in the game. Or people who think things are not "balanced" when I believe they are more than balanced. That being said, this pathetic sniping tactic needs to stop. I'm not kidding. This is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to get in an incubus every time I need to go get one of these losers. How bad at the game do you have to be to HAVE TO snipe from top of the MCC in order to be successful at the game? I am really curious. I've died a total of twice from someone doing this since the time I knew it could be done. Other than that it is the most annoying thing. Not to mention that I have NEVER seen someone give up on it. They ALWAYS go back. But if you don't get rid of them they end up doing well so you HAVE TO jack them up so they know they are scrubs. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? Anyone snipe from the MCC and thinks that they are good players because they know how to do this? This is absurd. My personal fix is that the red becomes a 3 min time limit zone. The time limit resets everytime you die. Once you reach the time limit you only get an effective 15 seconds as normal right now. When you spawn in the ground spawn or the MCC you should be spawning in your own red and the time limit begins immidiately. You should be able to call vehicles in from the red as well. Thoughts? Was in a dom once where 5-6 people were on the MCC 'sniping'. Thing is, based on the kill count, I don't think they were hitting much.
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 296	Posted - 2014.05.29 17:29:00 - [22] - Quote People have problems with snipers? I never understood this. It's not like they nerfed cover...
Symbioticforks The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 244	Posted - 2014.05.29 17:42:00 - [23] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: People have problems with snipers? I never understood this. It's not like they nerfed cover... You get a gold star! MCC is just a really tall structure in the red line. There are lots of those. If you want a revenge kill on a sniper protecting their red line, you have to earn it. If you want to avoid being killed by him and passively just make it so he can't touch you. There are many tactics you could implement as to be ignored by snipers. You just refuse to use them and seek the revenge kill. ^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 298	Posted - 2014.05.29 17:43:00 - [24] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: People have problems with snipers? I never understood this. It's not like they nerfed cover... +á run with a buddy with a rep tool and there you go... Its like winning, please keep everybody else from shooting at me cause its unfair, if its bright to do it then deal with it, and also, its not impossible to go shoot them in a dropship if hes really denying a point...
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 773	Posted - 2014.05.29 17:47:00 - [25] - Quote Eko, I have a little trouble understanding how you can argue that we shouldn't worry about being able to kill tanks unless they stop us from taking an objective but then complain about MCC snipers. They have almost no impact on the game. I don't think your ideas about the redline ate sensible either, allowing people 2 minutes in the enemy redline negates the purpose of it. If they can change it they should simply make it so that no one can sit in their own redline, you die just like in the enemy redline only they should extend the timer to 1 or 2 minutes. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 773	Posted - 2014.05.29 17:56:00 - [26] - Quote I don't think any tactic is invalid as long as it isn't exploiting a broken mechanic. This is why I often argue about balance issues. Things that are "cheap", usually are just smart. I am a little hypocritical here because I won't spawn camp, even while I argue that it is a legit tactic. I also encourage players to run weak loadouts when it is clear your team outmatches the other team. So one one hand I argue that players have some responsibility to the overall players experience and on the other I argue that people should play with what they think works, not someone else's expectations. Oh well, life is full of contradictions. Because, that's why.
THUNDERGROOVE The Last of DusT. 876	Posted - 2014.05.29 18:01:00 - [27] - Quote Meee One wrote: TL;DR redlining isn't fun if we can't stomp the ever living crap out of our enemies,force them to run into our bullets. It isn't fun when they don't even try. Out of the 10-15 domination matches I played yesterday, we got one good fight. No it wasn't because they were good. It was because the enemy team never stopped pushing. Give it up to a non American corporation to not give up, because it's not easy. >Team quota reached Darnit I have to wait for one of the blueberry shit LAVs to get blown up:(
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 299	Posted - 2014.05.29 18:01:00 - [28] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: I don't think any tactic is invalid as long as it isn't exploiting a broken mechanic. This is why I often argue about balance issues. Things that are "cheap", usually are just smart. I am a little hypocritical here because I won't spawn camp, even while I argue that it is a legit tactic. I also encourage players to run weak loadouts when it is clear your team outmatches the other team. So one one hand I argue that players have some responsibility to the overall players experience and on the other I argue that people should play with what they think works, not someone else's expectations. Oh well, life is full of contradictions. sniping dont make your team win, it generates kills for the sniper. A single sniper cannot be as helpful winning a match than a full squad taking objectives ! Thats why the game is balanced. If you care that a ******** is sniping on top of the MCC, rage all you want, I play lots of Dust, and it has been a minor anoyance. LEARN TO MOVE, always, dont stop to shoot, you'll be an easy target, once I learned this fact, I got snipped once a week at maximum, and it was almost an accident while I was busy stopping to shoot, forgetting the moving rule. The more you move, and the further away on the MCC the sniper is, the less hes efficient !
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 92	Posted - 2014.05.29 18:10:00 - [29] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: I cut his tears. Thoughts? Quit whining, play your own game. Pathetic? That is your attitude about forcing others to play the way you want them to. Dust, originally, was about being able to play exactly the way you want. Many other games limit your roles to their exact vision. The mage is mage only and cannot pick up a sword. The medic is a medic and cannot repair anything. The assault can only use the assault rifle and nothing else. If you were to ask politely I would tell you exactly how I want you to fly your incubus so I could be guaranteed to blow that sucker out of the air before you crossed your own red line. You might not like it, nor want to play the game that way but I would be much happier and that is all I care about. Nothing else matters. To me. See I can learn from your example. Thanks. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Eko Sol Strange Playings 402	Posted - 2014.05.29 18:49:00 - [30] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Eko, I have a little trouble understanding how you can argue that we shouldn't worry about being able to kill tanks unless they stop us from taking an objective but then complain about MCC snipers. They have almost no impact on the game. I don't think your ideas about the redline ate sensible either, allowing people 2 minutes in the enemy redline negates the purpose of it. If they can change it they should simply make it so that no one can sit in their own redline, you die just like in the enemy redline only they should extend the timer to 1 or 2 minutes. I play a lot of DOM. ALOT OF DOM. And you are so wrong. If you haven't experienced a 20 kill sniper from the top of the MCC then you haven't experienced it enough. I play a lot and it happens. And my redline suggestion is the exact same as your dumb ass. What the hell is wrong with you? PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...

Jaed D'jaegweir Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 17	Posted - 2014.05.29 18:56:00 - [31] - Quote I have very good luck sniping those on the MCC. as a sniper you need to be aware of your surroundings every few seconds glance around check the towers and mountain side be patient and make every shot count "We do not live in a world of reality. We live in a world of perceptions." -Gerald Simmons
Eko Sol Strange Playings 402	Posted - 2014.05.29 21:13:00 - [32] - Quote I re read a lot here. TBH I forgot that I used to take my cheap Gorgon and a MLT heavy fit with a Basic HMG and just go take them out. I started resorting to my incubus. I retract my statement. I don't like it. They are clearly relatively bad players looking for the easiest way to do the least rewarding element in the game. I am just going to go back to home base, grab a gorgon and land over there and take them out. 90% of the time it is a thale user anyway. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Fibo Gjenn UN3VERSAL BONDAGE 2	Posted - 2014.05.29 21:33:00 - [33] - Quote Birds on a wire...
Denchlad 7 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 276	Posted - 2014.05.29 22:43:00 - [34] - Quote Ive seen about 4 people sniping on the MCC ever. I do it occassionally when im bored cause loldust on one specific map with a Charge and headshot Thales on the enemy team who think they are in the "invincible zone" (if you know the map im referring to, you'll understand this). The tears you get from this tactic are delicious, and I dont really care about the hate for doing it either, im a sniper so I get hate regardless! I will be the only player to Prototype every single god damn weapon before Dust dies. I swear to it.
LegacyofTable Planetary Response Organisation FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 14	Posted - 2014.05.29 23:38:00 - [35] - Quote The problem with MCC snipers (that I find) is that nobody ever notices they're up there except for the few smart players that actually look for them via counter-sniping or looking at your death screen (note the distance at which they killed you, I found a thales user earlier doing that and payed him back for it). It typically ends up being only you, and by the time you finally find that perfect spot to hit him, bam you get murdered. Using a tactical is decent to try and hit all 3 times, but a charge will do a little better (depending on their hp). Not enough people counter-snipe the thales either, seeing as how it kills you before you even find them deep in their redline/on the mcc. I feel like we should start squads dedicated to hunting these people, cuz 2-3 snipers is what it takes to take down those heavy frame thales users with like 1400hp. Licensed Thales Hunter Total Thales taken - 6
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3449	Posted - 2014.05.30 03:11:00 - [36] - Quote 1) Git gud. I've taken out a number of MCC Thale's snipers. It feels so good it should be regulated by the FDA 2) Just everyone stop about mucking with the redline to "fix" whatever stupid thing killed you today. Here's a novel idea: Fix the goddamn problem you are actually taking about. Don't like MCC snipers? I dunno, maybe suggest altering the MCC to make the outer surface damage you instead of finishing off this dying game by making every match a spawncamping horror show? Let's all try to think past step 1 for a change, m'kay? (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
Eko Sol Strange Playings 403	Posted - 2014.05.30 03:19:00 - [37] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: 1) Git gud. I've taken out a number of MCC Thale's snipers. It feels so good it should be regulated by the FDA 2) Just everyone stop about mucking with the redline to "fix" whatever stupid thing killed you today. Here's a novel idea: Fix the goddamn problem you are actually taking about. Don't like MCC snipers? I dunno, maybe suggest altering the MCC to make the outer surface damage you instead of finishing off this dying game by making every match a spawncamping horror show? Let's all try to think past step 1 for a change, m'kay? You're an idiot. It's simple. I kill them too dummy. I think I even stated that it was a nuisance. I think I even stated in the thread that I retract my complaint/statement and that I will just deal with it as I have been. Read for once...m'kay? PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
LT apparition Molon Labe. 98	Posted - 2014.05.30 10:20:00 - [38] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: from my point of view... it's a battle during a time of war...MCC Sniping, Jihad Jeeps, Heavy+LAV+Scanner, Cloak Shotgunners, 3xRep Maddies, 5x Complex Damage Mods on a Med mk.0 suit... all valid tactics during battle...it only bothers you if you let it, forget about it-die-respawn-rinse & repeat.... Good Teamwork will beat them all... I'd Agree With you there. We Fight, We Kill, You Die, The End.


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