DUST Search - Need Dev response regarding suit dynamics.

medomai grey wrote:

Meee One wrote:

Lets look at suit dynamics:
-Heavies = More armor,less speed,less stealth
Heavies trade speed and stealth for raw power and defense.

-Scouts = Less armor,more stealth,more speed
Scouts trade defense for stealth and speed.

-Assault = More armor,more speed,less stealth
Assaults trade nothing,and gain both speed as well as tank.

-Logistics = Less armor, less speed,less stealth,less weapons
Logistics trades armor,speed,and stealth and even weapon while gaining nothing.

Does anyone else see what's wrong with this picture?

Logistics get less armor and yet are still slower than their assault counterpart.

Logistics either need better tank than their assault counterpart,or more speed.

Tank makes the most sense for a support class.

It's ridiculous to say "ok logi,go survive with less weapons/speed/tank oh and we'll need you to carry all this valuable gear,and you can expect to get killed first everytime there's a shootout."

Fix it CCP,give logis a base stat buff to tank or speed.

Oh,and before any idiots make any comments about gear having "weight",the logi suit was specifically designed to carry the equipment,it's the only one that shouldn't suffer any speed loss.

You got several things above wrong:

Logistics suits have the same scan profile as assault suits.

Logistic suits have negligibly better scan precision than assault suits.

Logistics suits have slightly less EHP, speed, and give up a side arm(except Amarr) for more CPU/PG, high/low slots, and more equipment slots.

Assaults get a marginal amount of EHP more than scouts and are worse in all other aspects.

Not saying that it isn't annoying that my fatty on a leash is constantly outrunning my logistic suit though. But you need to get your facts straight if you intend to be taken seriously. Pirate


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Meee One BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 797	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:00:00 - [1] - Quote Lets look at suit dynamics: -Heavies = More armor,less speed,less stealth Heavies trade speed and stealth for raw power and defense. -Scouts = Less armor,more stealth,more speed Scouts trade defense for stealth and speed. -Assault = More armor,more speed,less stealth Assaults trade nothing,and gain both speed as well as tank. -Logistics = Less armor, less speed,less stealth,less weapons Logistics trades armor,speed,and stealth and even weapon while gaining nothing. Does anyone else see what's wrong with this picture? Logistics get less armor and yet are still slower than their assault counterpart. Logistics either need better tank than their assault counterpart,or more speed. Tank makes the most sense for a support class. It's ridiculous to say "ok logi,go survive with less weapons/speed/tank oh and we'll need you to carry all this valuable gear,and you can expect to get killed first everytime there's a shootout." Fix it CCP,give logis a base stat buff to tank or speed. Oh,and before any idiots make any comments about gear having "weight",the logi suit was specifically designed to carry the equipment,it's the only one that shouldn't suffer any speed loss.
Meee One BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 797	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:16:00 - [2] - Quote You need to decide where you want logis CCP. Either -Inbetween assault and heavy in armor -or- -Inbetween assault and scout in speed It's very annoying to have the most responsibility and yet get targeted first because of my inadequate tanking.
Meee One BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 797	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:19:00 - [3] - Quote TRULY ELITE wrote: This was the case before 1.7 I believe and the whole reason the extra tank was nerfed was to stop people using their logi's as assaults, it's a trade off that is needed to bring balance to the classes otherwise it will be logi 514 all over again, extra speed is definitely a better idea. I'm up for either to be honest,it sucks not to be good at anything,and being singled out and still expected to do a logis job.
Meee One BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 797	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:32:00 - [4] - Quote Ambiuris Zinum wrote: TRULY ELITE wrote: This was the case before 1.7 I believe and the whole reason the extra tank was nerfed was to stop people using their logi's as assaults, it's a trade off that is needed to bring balance to the classes otherwise it will be logi 514 all over again, extra speed is definitely a better idea. That was true. I was using my minmatar logistic suit for verything. It was the best before 1.7 This is why i listed speed buff as an option,then logis could out run assaults but couldn't out tank/kill them. And as of 1.8 i became a Min logi and there have been many times where i have tried to flee but have been too slow to do so successfully.
Meee One BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 797	Posted - 2014.05.29 04:06:00 - [5] - Quote Cyrus Militani wrote: A buff to the base movement speed would be nice. You can leave sprint speed the same and keep that a scout thing. The reason I say this is because it's a pain trying to keep up with a sprinting heavy when you cannot sprint with the rep tool on them. I can almost do this with my advanced Minmitar and proto flux rep, but towards the end of their stamina they break away. "keep sprinting a scout thing?" whatever. You're not a real logi,you're a scout user trying to discredit my posts. The Min logi (the fastest one) is as fast as the slowest assault,and it has less armor. Scouts have the least armor and have the most speed. So 1 of 2 things needs to happen: -Increase logi tank to represent the speed loss -or- -Increase logi speed (walk/sprint) to represent the armor loss. Logis would either become: -2nd only to heavies in tank -or- -2nd only to scouts in speed I would prefer speed,to escape dangerous situations. (personally)
Meee One BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 799	Posted - 2014.05.30 03:41:00 - [6] - Quote -double post-
Meee One BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 799	Posted - 2014.05.30 03:42:00 - [7] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Meee One wrote: Lets look at suit dynamics: -Heavies = More armor,less speed,less stealth Heavies trade speed and stealth for raw power and defense. -Scouts = Less armor,more stealth,more speed Scouts trade defense for stealth and speed. -Assault = More armor,more speed,less stealth Assaults trade nothing,and gain both speed as well as tank. -Logistics = Less armor, less speed,less stealth,less weapons Logistics trades armor,speed,and stealth and even weapon while gaining nothing. Does anyone else see what's wrong with this picture? Logistics get less armor and yet are still slower than their assault counterpart. Logistics either need better tank than their assault counterpart,or more speed. Tank makes the most sense for a support class. It's ridiculous to say "ok logi,go survive with less weapons/speed/tank oh and we'll need you to carry all this valuable gear,and you can expect to get killed first everytime there's a shootout." Fix it CCP,give logis a base stat buff to tank or speed. Oh,and before any idiots make any comments about gear having "weight",the logi suit was specifically designed to carry the equipment,it's the only one that shouldn't suffer any speed loss. You got several things above wrong: Logistics suits have the same scan profile as assault suits. Logistic suits have negligibly better scan precision than assault suits. Logistics suits have slightly less EHP, speed, and give up a side arm(except Amarr) for more CPU/PG, high/low slots, and more equipment slots. Assaults get a marginal amount of EHP more than scouts and are worse in all other aspects. Not saying that it isn't annoying that my fatty on a leash is constantly outrunning my logistic suit though. But you need to get your facts straight if you intend to be taken seriously. The extra cpu/pg is to compensate for the additional gear their role requires of them. And about slots...it would take -1 armor plate -1cardiac regulator -1 shield extender -1 shield recharger -1 shield regulator -several (2-3) kinetic catalysers To equal their assault counterparts base stats, before they add any modules. And according to the Dev blog [urlhttps://dust514.com/newsitem/?friendlyid=equipment-uprising-1.8&channelid=36&channelname=news&newsitempagetobeselected=news] here[/url]... Underneath the logi bonuses it reads... Dev blog wrote: So while the base numbers have been adjusted down, specialists will enjoy performance comparable to earlier iterations. The intent here is to reward specialization and create room for future modules that will enhance the performance of equipment,allowing specialists to further customize their fits in a way that allows them to excel at a specific function. This means that logis will have to sacrifice more slots to be better at their job,while assaults still won't have to. Assault suits are actually far better than logis,it's just that slayer logis can carry enough equipment to not have to rely on any support (see the assault scout brick tanking currently happening). So,my point still stands. -armor -or- -speed And speed looks better every day.
Meee One BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 799	Posted - 2014.05.30 09:52:00 - [8] - Quote Why am i being ignored? With "LOLSCOUTS" running rampant,this is a serious issue. You'll respond to threads about buffing scouts over logis,but refuse to respond when logis want something more fair?
Meee One BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 801	Posted - 2014.05.30 17:10:00 - [9] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Meee One wrote: Need Dev response regarding my QQ that the Slayer Logi was nerfed Fixed I'm an assault user that's butthurt i can't carry 4 equipment. And i didn't read your post i just wanted to sound smart so i posted stupidity. Fixed GTFO slayerlogi! This discussion is for true logis that don't brick tank.
Meee One BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 801	Posted - 2014.05.30 17:13:00 - [10] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I completely ignored the part of the OP about new modules,but i'm going to post about slots anyway. I can tell...

Meee One BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 810	Posted - 2014.06.01 05:11:00 - [11] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Meee, this is a stupid thread. We all know med. frames are in need of some work. Devs have even said as much. As far as assault vs logi balance logis are in a much better place than assaults right now. They are more versatile, can stack more HP, have more WP earning opportunities, and are just all around better. Anyone running in an assault suit right now over a logi suit is a fool. 1.8 did nothing to stop people from fitting out murder logis. Infact, if you want to run a med. frame focused on killing than logi is pretty much the only way to go. I don't know why you would run med. if you are a killer at this point though since scouts and heavies are both vastly superior at in this role right now. That is a different matter all together. >implying im a slayerlogi >unaware my KDR is .55 You did get one thing right.(see underlined) Logis are worse off,they only look better because of their equipment capacity. They have 30~ more shields and 30~ more armor then a scout yet are slower then assaults who have more armor and shields. This is highly broken,you can't be frail and slow and be balanced. Durable and slow (eg. heavies),yes Frail and fast ( eg scouts), yes High base tank and base speed ( assault class,which is understandable) Frail and slow (logistics class) Logis deserve either -more tank or -more speed Assaults would still beat them in the opposing stat,but at least logistics would have a tanking specialisation besides "stacking plates".