DUST Search - [Feedback] Spin Scanning. Still a Problem. Does Rattati Know?

Zatara Rought wrote:

Izlare Lenix wrote:

First, an amarr scout with 4 complex damps can not get under a gal logi with pro focused. Amarr scout with 4 complex damps is 14.7 db, pro focused is 15db, which means Amarr scout will be scanned and min and cal have no chance to avoid it.

Second, gal logi recieves bonus to duration so it's longer than five seconds. Also players stack multiple scanners on a logi suit so they can scan even longer and multiple directions.

Third, since damping an amarr, cal and min scout will be almost pointless and cloak time is being cut in half more scout players will brick tank which means any suit with a pro active scanner will pick these brick tanked scouts up.

Scanning will become more prevalent, "you have been scanned" will be burned into all our tvs again and more players will switch to gal scouts or heavies.

No it can currently get under with a cloak and 2 damps I think and next build based off his changes with be able to get under with 4 damps and the proposed 10% bonus to proto cloaks.

Sure he can spam 4 focused on you, so what? He contributes scans 25 seconds out of the minute? and each scan can miss with the tiny radius? and the 3 scouts can still beat it?

Lol

Come now man and we can reason together.

In 1.7 PC you could scan all except gal with what 4 damps? DId we stop wearing double damped logi's? Nope.

Why? 5 seconds. Did I run 4 focused? Nope, still needed to do my logi duty, so i had 1 focused 1 duvolle and maybe one other person on the team used one for HP.

I might just run focused if I was a gal logi and let the cal be the passive scans until everyone forms a consensus that active scanning should be the only squad shared scans..but other than that yeah i think i've explained this a little more.

Hopefully it all makes sense to you brochacho. o7

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Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1073	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:24:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Active scanner cooldown times increased. Scanner functionality changed to now perform "snapshot" scans in order to stop 360 degree spins. I took this to mean I couldn't spin-scan anymore. So I hadn't tried it since 1.8. Silly me. Test I * Tested using "Creodron Flux" Active Scanner (90 degree / 200m) * Located Hostile spawn (ambush, start of match) * Turned in the opposing direction, such that back faced enemy * Spun roughly 270 degrees prior to scan completion * Painted all hostiles in the area for 1-2 seconds Test II * Tested using "Duvolle Quantum" Active Scanner (60 degree / 20 sec visibility) * Located lone Hostile; repositioned such that my back was facing him * Started scan; rotated 180 degrees toward the hostile * Hostile was painted for 1-2 seconds (instead of 20 seconds) So what? This matters alot in terms of ewar and Scout / GalLogi balance. I didn't know spin scanning was still a problem. There's a chance Rattati didn't either. What we Scouts were pitched at the time sounded quite different. There was no mention of a spin-scanning GalLogi. Be where the GalLogi isn't looking ... and don't get scanned!, they said. Even if he carries multiple scanners, their radius is so tiny he still may not find you., they said. Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2177320#post2177320 Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2177156#post2177156 Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2178204#post2178204 Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2177664#post2177664 Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1073	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:33:00 - [2] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: First, an amarr scout with 4 complex damps can not get under a gal logi with pro focused. Amarr scout with 4 complex damps is 14.7 db, pro focused is 15db, which means Amarr scout will be scanned and min and cal have no chance to avoid it. Second, gal logi recieves bonus to duration so it's longer than five seconds. Also players stack multiple scanners on a logi suit so they can scan even longer and multiple directions. Third, since damping an amarr, cal and min scout will be almost pointless and cloak time is being cut in half more scout players will brick tank which means any suit with a pro active scanner will pick these brick tanked scouts up. Scanning will become more prevalent, "you have been scanned" will be burned into all our tvs again and more players will switch to gal scouts or heavies. No it can currently get under with a cloak and 2 damps I think and next build based off his changes with be able to get under with 4 damps and the proposed 10% bonus to proto cloaks. Sure he can spam 4 focused on you, so what? He contributes scans 25 seconds out of the minute? and each scan can miss with the tiny radius? and the 3 scouts can still beat it? Come now man and we can reason together. In 1.7 PC you could scan all except gal with what 4 damps? DId we stop wearing double damped logi's? Nope. Why? 5 seconds. Did I run 4 focused? Nope, still needed to do my logi duty, so i had 1 focused 1 duvolle and maybe one other person on the team used one for HP. I might just run focused if I was a gal logi and let the cal be the passive scans until everyone forms a consensus that active scanning should be the only squad shared scans..but other than that yeah i think i've explained this a little more. Hopefully it all makes sense to you brochacho. o7 Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1073	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:34:00 - [3] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Sacrificing all your slots for one equipment is ******** and un balanced considering it's 5 seconds and has an enormous cooldown and can only hit a limited range and radius, I disagree. If you want to be immune to a maxed out end all be all scanner from 1 suit in the game...then you will have to sacrifice. Otherwise...put on 2 damps to get under the rest and deal with the 5 second scans from that 1 suit. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1073	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:35:00 - [4] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: Cal scouts can get to 15, but requires their entire fit, as opposed to a single piece of equipment. Okay, so you have four slots or a 360 perma wallhack with 37 meters of range without adding range mods. or that niche specialization that allows that piece of equipment to POTENTIALLY scan a scout for 6.25 seconds You lose out on duration, at least 300 degrees of coverage, and cannot paint targets reliably. with 4 equips (to the 4 slots on the cal 360 perma wallhack) you only get 25 seconds of a minute along with all the other downsides. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1667	Posted - 2014.05.27 23:23:00 - [5] - Quote This needs fixed. Hopefully this isn't a client side issue. "I've made a huge mistake." -G.O.B. Bluth
Arkenia Wyrnspire Nos Nothi 243	Posted - 2014.05.28 07:19:00 - [6] - Quote I think active scanners have always been buggy. During their prime this happened sometimes as well. I'm pretty sure the 'fix' was just to drop the duration that the scanner runs for. With a mouse it's actually possible to get 360 degrees of coverage (although at least it's only for a moment). I would hope that Zatara is coming from the angle that there shouldn't be a bug like this when you're balancing these things. Might be Arkena Wyrnspire.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2378	Posted - 2014.05.28 12:56:00 - [7] - Quote Did the target pulse as if it was scanned? If something shows up in your FOV, it sort of sticks around for just a couple of seconds.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1106	Posted - 2014.05.28 13:10:00 - [8] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Did the target pulse as if it was scanned? If something shows up in your FOV, it sort of sticks around for just a couple of seconds. Scan results. Pulsed for 1-2 seconds. Give it a try :-) Update: Rattati's on it ... CCP Rattati wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: A kink in the plans? Don't know about you guys, but I had assumed Spin Scanning was fixed. A GalLogi scanning 300 degrees every so often might make for problem. I'm not saying that we should change anything. Only pointing out a potential issue. I have asked an engineer to take a look, I will keep you posted. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1918	Posted - 2014.05.28 23:27:00 - [9] - Quote Hope they correct it.... I'm not looking forward to the active scanner given the upcoming scout changes. Either underused and useless, or totally spammed and OP. Which, when averaged over time could be considered it's own kind of balance.... like the scout suit in general I guess. (This post has been sanitized to remove as many traces of "bitter vet" syndrome as possible. Do not dwell here lest you risk infecting yourself....) Double posting like a Kaiser.


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