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Jacques Cayton II wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Jacques Cayton II wrote:

Just goes to show you push America to hard and it will bite back 10x harder. After all in Kuwait a company of American tanks took out a battalion of Iraqi tanks. No fighting force on earth can stand to America, not China nor Russia. That is fact, but together they could never alone.

I doubt the Iraqi tanks had half the training the American Tank operators had, nor the same technological level of vehicle assets.....

The American force have taken as many losses throughout their history as victories. Not trying insult any member of the American armed forces who may be on these forums but historically while America is a huge powerhouse of military might they have rarely ever engaged another entity with the same technological level as they.

And even perhaps in "Victory" the campaigns were less than successful in implementation. A great deal of arrogance ruled the American Military hierarchy post WW2 which the soldier suffered for.

I'm baffled at your ignorance. I've trained with many other nations and fought beside them(didn't wanna pull out my deployment hoopla), but I have yet to see a military as well trained as America. Minus the Polish, they are some bad muthertruckers. And I love how ANA put shiny stickers on their weapons it makes them look and dare I say it fabulous. And regarding your post since when has any country won a war without making some new innovative technology. And sorry I love my country it's young it doesn't have a culture that can date back to the early years of man we like to show our power and if you don't like it then do something about it if not sit back and watch me get drunk at some American football game

"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon


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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10309	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:45:00 - [1] - Quote Lol won a war...... Considering the British and Common Wealth Forces (inclusive of Australia and New Zealand), French, and smaller occupied Nations spent several years already at war across Europe, Africa, and in Asia.... is suppose credit where credit is due is required. The America Army came late in the war, fresh, with well developed technology from a war machine that had not suffered under the Blitz. At full strength another world power joining the allies was logically going to push the balance of power over the edge and Germany committed its strength across too many fronts. Acting like it was some benevolent action is fallacy. Additionally saying ignorant statements like "America won the war" is down right disrespectful to all those of the other nationalities who gave their lives so that other nations had the peace they did for so long. Claiming one particular nation was any more crucial than the others is ignorant. Whose ships plied the North Atlantic, whose fighter pilots fought in the Battle of Britain, whose soldiers took Monte Cassino, El Alamein, Cairo? Having been to the grave-sites all along the Normandy Coastline, Arlington Cemetery, the cemeteries in New Zealand where our fallen lie it is clear to see everyone paid a price for their contribution to the war and it is only because of those contributions of those people that we can be hear today. Markdown:
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10310	Posted - 2014.05.27 23:14:00 - [2] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Just goes to show you push America to hard and it will bite back 10x harder. After all in Kuwait a company of American tanks took out a battalion of Iraqi tanks. No fighting force on earth can stand to America, not China nor Russia. That is fact, but together they could never alone. I doubt the Iraqi tanks had half the training the American Tank operators had, nor the same technological level of vehicle assets..... The American force have taken as many losses throughout their history as victories. Not trying insult any member of the American armed forces who may be on these forums but historically while America is a huge powerhouse of military might they have rarely ever engaged another entity with the same technological level as they. And even perhaps in "Victory" the campaigns were less than successful in implementation. A great deal of arrogance ruled the American Military hierarchy post WW2 which the soldier suffered for. Markdown:
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10311	Posted - 2014.05.27 23:34:00 - [3] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Just goes to show you push America to hard and it will bite back 10x harder. After all in Kuwait a company of American tanks took out a battalion of Iraqi tanks. No fighting force on earth can stand to America, not China nor Russia. That is fact, but together they could never alone. I doubt the Iraqi tanks had half the training the American Tank operators had, nor the same technological level of vehicle assets..... The American force have taken as many losses throughout their history as victories. Not trying insult any member of the American armed forces who may be on these forums but historically while America is a huge powerhouse of military might they have rarely ever engaged another entity with the same technological level as they. And even perhaps in "Victory" the campaigns were less than successful in implementation. A great deal of arrogance ruled the American Military hierarchy post WW2 which the soldier suffered for. I usually respect your posts but not this thread. You may not be trying to insult any member of US armed forces but I can assure you that you indeed are doing just that. And since when is trying to survive and win a conflict about "engaging another entity with the same technological level as they." That is, and I am being polite, an ignorant statement. For the most part however it is true. However I will stand corrected in terms of modern history if you can cite and example. Since WW2 America has been at the forefront of the development of military technology....its budget for such things is astronomical. But since the Second World War..... America has primarily seen conflict in Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq. In this time the efforts have mainly been considered Police Actions, Peacekeeping, and Region Stabilising. I am only saying the technologically countries like Russia, China, European Nations, and America have been unmatched able to mobilise massive amount of man power, vehicle assets, etc. What enemy in these modern conflicts have been able to match that level of technology? Few if any. I do not see how I am insulting any members of the military other than stating a view. All soldiers are brave, braver than I think I could be doing what they do, and what they do more often than not is a combinations of what they feel is right....but that's not for me to comment on. All I can comment on is what the outer appearance of these things express to me. In this case let us take the Korean War. American forces deployed the latest in their arsenal of technologies, new automatic weaponry, heavy use of helicopters for scouting, attacking, and medical scenarios alongside mobile and stocked hospitals with the latest medical practices and technologies. This against the North Koreans who were at the time not half so well equipped as the united nations forces. I feel we are getting back off topic. However reasonably if you expect a great deal of respect to be shown to the American militaries both past and present then the same standards should be applied to all soldiers who served their counties. Markdown:
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10311	Posted - 2014.05.28 00:41:00 - [4] - Quote LT Shanx wrote: I play Domination a lot and I've had my fair share of squadding up with corps such as EveCorporation and SAIUKI, and what I noticed is that they don't really try hard at all. I know enough Japanese to have basic conversation and from my times squadding with these players, I can say that they are very lax. Unlike Brits and Americans, the Japanese are quiet and easy going. They don't scream over comms and are generally not overly excited. All they seem to do is put defend orders on squad members and they somehow all act accordingly and move as one. It's funny because many of the games I've played with them, some would have just gotten off of work and would be eating while playing while others would be silently drunk and doing rather well in the background. I wish I could do that...... but I only really come onto Dust to chat with my squad mates...... "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10311	Posted - 2014.05.28 00:50:00 - [5] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Every tribe, clan, city state, kingdom, empire, or nation has always fought with the best technology that they could bring to battle at the time. Part of being a great power is having superior technology. It should be a source of pride. The United States, as well as every other sovereign that has ever existed, fought to protect it's interests with every bit of ingenuity and tech it could muster. By your argument that is something to be ridiculed and I could not disagree more. I also run my best gear whenever I can in DUST for the same reasons btw, because one plays the game to win, does he not? Or should I dumb it down so I don't hurt anyone's feelings? This guy gets it Not to be ridiculed at all. The British Empire lost several engagements again vastly less developed militarise. Roakes Drift, Waikato Wars. It is nothing to be ridiculed over. My intial point was that the Americans came late to the second world war, they had time before they formally declared to speed up the industrial machines, and were not subject to crippling attacks to their infrastructure like Britain was. The American did fundamentally alter the balance of the war but they did not win it, no one nation did. That was my original point, following up on that was that the American military deserved no more or less respect that any other military as a result of the Second World War. All nations committed men to the war effiort, all have victories and losses, and all soldiers sacrificed themselves for the same goal. To tout an "American victory" of this conflict I felt was ignorant so I commented. Then when Jaques stated that the American Tank Company defeated an Iraqi Battalion I also commented stating that the equipment and training a group has significantly affects its performance. It is not surprising that a nation with a significantly more developed military would beat that of a less developed military. But of course history points out that even with superior technological advancements such a force can still be beaten so the entire matter is a moot point I suppose. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10311	Posted - 2014.05.28 01:03:00 - [6] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Just goes to show you push America to hard and it will bite back 10x harder. After all in Kuwait a company of American tanks took out a battalion of Iraqi tanks. No fighting force on earth can stand to America, not China nor Russia. That is fact, but together they could never alone. I doubt the Iraqi tanks had half the training the American Tank operators had, nor the same technological level of vehicle assets..... The American force have taken as many losses throughout their history as victories. Not trying insult any member of the American armed forces who may be on these forums but historically while America is a huge powerhouse of military might they have rarely ever engaged another entity with the same technological level as they. And even perhaps in "Victory" the campaigns were less than successful in implementation. A great deal of arrogance ruled the American Military hierarchy post WW2 which the soldier suffered for. I'm baffled at your ignorance. I've trained with many other nations and fought beside them(didn't wanna pull out my deployment hoopla), but I have yet to see a military as well trained as America. Minus the Polish, they are some bad muthertruckers. And I love how ANA put shiny stickers on their weapons it makes them look and dare I say it fabulous. And regarding your post since when has any country won a war without making some new innovative technology. And sorry I love my country it's young it doesn't have a culture that can date back to the early years of man we like to show our power and if you don't like it then do something about it if not sit back and watch me get drunk at some American football game Why are you personally attacking me. As I have said I cannot comment on the current status of the American military however I can drawn from historical circumstances.....and originally this...I suppose its a flame war of sorts now originated from a comment stating that Eruditus 920 wrote: "Americans pushovers"? Speak for yourself, ****. We won a war that was thrust upon us once upon a time. This was the cause of my first post. No SINGLE Nation won the Second WORLD War. All nations contributed how they could best at the time. As for your original comment I commented mainly because of sort of arrogance in your post that I suppose provoked me more than anything. I suppose to take pride in something is wonderful but to forget that, and all nations and peoples have done it, that mistakes were made does not do justice to those who were made victims by those mistakes. I don't think I ever openly criticised the American military or the people in it, if anything I have praised military personnel as I think what they do for their country is something that they should be proud of. Nor have I said that they should be looked down upon because of their technological supremacy, only suggested that it is an aspect that affects the outcome of battle....else why continue to develop? "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10311	Posted - 2014.05.28 01:30:00 - [7] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Just goes to show you push America to hard and it will bite back 10x harder. After all in Kuwait a company of American tanks took out a battalion of Iraqi tanks. No fighting force on earth can stand to America, not China nor Russia. That is fact, but together they could never alone. I doubt the Iraqi tanks had half the training the American Tank operators had, nor the same technological level of vehicle assets..... The American force have taken as many losses throughout their history as victories. Not trying insult any member of the American armed forces who may be on these forums but historically while America is a huge powerhouse of military might they have rarely ever engaged another entity with the same technological level as they. And even perhaps in "Victory" the campaigns were less than successful in implementation. A great deal of arrogance ruled the American Military hierarchy post WW2 which the soldier suffered for. I'm baffled at your ignorance. I've trained with many other nations and fought beside them(didn't wanna pull out my deployment hoopla), but I have yet to see a military as well trained as America. Minus the Polish, they are some bad muthertruckers. And I love how ANA put shiny stickers on their weapons it makes them look and dare I say it fabulous. And regarding your post since when has any country won a war without making some new innovative technology. And sorry I love my country it's young it doesn't have a culture that can date back to the early years of man we like to show our power and if you don't like it then do something about it if not sit back and watch me get drunk at some American football game Soldiers from New Zealand , especially the Maori Battalions were considered some of the most elite and fearsome soldiers of the second world war. Currently I don't feel qualified to compare the soldiers from modern armies, nor do I intend to. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon