DUST Search - Shotgun: First Impression

Izlare Lenix wrote:

Shutter Fly wrote:

Izlare Lenix wrote:

The first day I tried a shotgun scout with cloak I used the free hks we got from news letter since I have zero skills in shotguns.

I was using an adv cal scout and went several games in a row with low to high 30s kills and only a few deaths total. I easily averaged 10 more kills per game than my normal average with a ScR. And with a ScR I have a ton of sp invested in it and have to play smart and conservative because of overheat, with the shotgun I was playing like an idiot, super aggressive and still not dying with zero skills invested.

After about six games with the shotguns I realized the shotgun/cloak combo is hands down the easiest, most op combo in the game and most importantly it was so easy it wasn't fun and I haven't pulled out a shotgun since because I actually enjoy a challenge.

I played several games in a row against a range of players from scrubs to synced squads. Also this was before fan fest announcement so there were still lots of good players playing.

Shotgunning now is probably so easy with the increase in noob players and reduction of quality players it would put me to sleep.

Like Arkena said, this puts it a bit better than the OP.

Nooberries are ****, and any decent weapon will tear them up. It doesn't help that the shotgun will OHK most low SP players before they can react. Add a cloak and you will, at the very least, be a thorn in the side of decent squads.

Of course the cloak/shotgun combo is a problem, hopefully Hotfix Alpha will remedy that problem. The other problem is that the skills do almost nothing for the shotgun. Whenever someone justifies their "shotgun is OP" claim with "I used the HK4M and have no skills in shotguns," it means absolutely nothing to me. A Prof 5 CRG-3 has barely any advantage over a zero investment HK4M. This led to the base stats of lower tier shotguns (STD/ADV) being too powerful, while PRO shotguns are slightly underwhelming. This has always been a problem with shotguns, and it has never been addressed, adjusting the differences between STD/ADV/PRO would greatly remedy the problem.

Then why have I been ohkilled with proto shotguns at 10 meters? In fact the furthest said 11m. The longest a militia shotgun has ohkilled me is 5 meters. When I was using the hk I had to get right up someones ass to kill them. Proto level skills can double the effective range of shotguns which is extreme. In most cqc scenarios you can't get out of a proto shotguns range before they kill you. No other weapon has a skill that doubles its effective range.

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Clone D 391	Posted - 2014.05.24 16:31:00 - [1] - Quote I have been playing Dust for a while and today I decided to try out the shot gun for the first time. EASY MODE I used an out of the box character without cloak and went 8-0 on a standard open battlefield. To all of you shot gunners out there: WEAK! Learn how to use a scrambler pistol like a real man. To all of you cloaked shot gunners: You have no skill to speak of. No wonder cloaked shottys are so prevalent. .
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 925	Posted - 2014.05.24 16:49:00 - [2] - Quote Clone D wrote: I have been playing Dust for a while and today I decided to try out the shot gun for the first time. EASY MODE I used an out of the box character without cloak and went 8-0 on a standard open battlefield. To all of you shot gunners out there: WEAK! Learn how to use a scrambler pistol like a real man. To all of you cloaked shot gunners: You have no skill to speak of. No wonder cloaked shottys are so prevalent. I use shotgun and ScP? Am i weak?
danie braz Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2014.05.24 16:57:00 - [3] - Quote Playing newberries is easy. Go against the NS and AE. If your passive scans arent good enough you will usually turn and corner and get ripped up by a heavy or ScR user. Fluoride uranium carbon potassium bismuth technetium helium sulfur germanium thulium Molybdenum neon yttrium
Llast 326 An Arkhos 3229	Posted - 2014.05.24 17:01:00 - [4] - Quote Ion Pistol and Flaylock I have nothing else to say KRRROOOOOOM
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13715	Posted - 2014.05.24 17:10:00 - [5] - Quote 8/0 I'm quaking in my boots. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Cross Atu for CPM1
Llast 326 An Arkhos 3232	Posted - 2014.05.24 17:14:00 - [6] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 8/0 I'm quaking in my boots. A proposal Arkena The Dust term should be Quote: I'm Dropping in my Suit What do you thinkGÇª should we use? KRRROOOOOOM
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13715	Posted - 2014.05.24 17:16:00 - [7] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 8/0 I'm quaking in my boots. A proposal Arkena The Dust term should be Quote: I'm Dropping in my Suit What do you thinkGÇª should we use? Not bad, not bad. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Cross Atu for CPM1
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Dark Taboo 606	Posted - 2014.05.24 17:19:00 - [8] - Quote The first day I tried a shotgun scout with cloak I used the free hks we got from news letter since I have zero skills in shotguns. I was using an adv cal scout and went several games in a row with low to high 30s kills and only a few deaths total. I easily averaged 10 more kills per game than my normal average with a ScR. And with a ScR I have a ton of sp invested in it and have to play smart and conservative because of overheat, with the shotgun I was playing like an idiot, super aggressive and still not dying with zero skills invested. After about six games with the shotguns I realized the shotgun/cloak combo is hands down the easiest, most op combo in the game and most importantly it was so easy it wasn't fun and I haven't pulled out a shotgun since because I actually enjoy a challenge. I played several games in a row against a range of players from scrubs to synced squads. Also this was before fan fest announcement so there were still lots of good players playing. Shotgunning now is probably so easy with the increase in noob players and reduction of quality players it would put me to sleep. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13716	Posted - 2014.05.24 17:20:00 - [9] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: The first day I tried a shotgun scout with cloak I used the free hks we got from news letter since I have zero skills in shotguns. I was using an adv cal scout and went several games in a row with low to high 30s kills and only a few deaths total. I easily averaged 10 more kills per game than my normal average with a ScR. And with a ScR I have a ton of sp invested in it and have to play smart and conservative because of overheat, with the shotgun I was playing like an idiot, super aggressive and still not dying with zero skills invested. After about six games with the shotguns I realized the shotgun/cloak combo is hands down the easiest, most op combo in the game and most importantly it was so easy it wasn't fun and I haven't pulled out a shotgun since because I actually enjoy a challenge. I played several games in a row against a range of players from scrubs to synced squads. Also this was before fan fest announcement so there were still lots of good players playing. Shotgunning now is probably so easy with the increase in noob players and reduction of quality players it would put me to sleep. This is a better way of putting it than the OP. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Cross Atu for CPM1
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 314	Posted - 2014.05.24 17:32:00 - [10] - Quote Since when is 8-0 a good score. You were playing bad players & had a decent match. making any judgement from that is ignorant. To then insult people based on a flawed judgement, is just plain stupid. Try Melee next time, cause real men use there fist.
Scheneighnay McBob T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 5082	Posted - 2014.05.24 17:47:00 - [11] - Quote The community seems to think AV is underpowered- Yesterday (first time playing in weeks), in my first battle I got over 2400 WP with 3 deaths- I was using a standard minmatar scout with an advanced swarm, and a standard minmatar sentinel with an advanced forge. 8 kills with a decent weapon against noobs is meaningless. BOOP!
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 406	Posted - 2014.05.24 17:48:00 - [12] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: The first day I tried a shotgun scout with cloak I used the free hks we got from news letter since I have zero skills in shotguns. I was using an adv cal scout and went several games in a row with low to high 30s kills and only a few deaths total. I easily averaged 10 more kills per game than my normal average with a ScR. And with a ScR I have a ton of sp invested in it and have to play smart and conservative because of overheat, with the shotgun I was playing like an idiot, super aggressive and still not dying with zero skills invested. After about six games with the shotguns I realized the shotgun/cloak combo is hands down the easiest, most op combo in the game and most importantly it was so easy it wasn't fun and I haven't pulled out a shotgun since because I actually enjoy a challenge. I played several games in a row against a range of players from scrubs to synced squads. Also this was before fan fest announcement so there were still lots of good players playing. Shotgunning now is probably so easy with the increase in noob players and reduction of quality players it would put me to sleep. Like Arkena said, this puts it a bit better than the OP. Nooberries are ****, and any decent weapon will tear them up. It doesn't help that the shotgun will OHK most low SP players before they can react. Add a cloak, and you will, at the very least, be a thorn in the side of decent squads. Of course the cloak/shotgun combo is a problem, hopefully Hotfix Alpha will remedy that problem. The other problem is that the skills do almost nothing for the shotgun. Whenever someone justifies their "shotgun is OP" claim with "I used the HK4M and have no skills in shotguns," it means absolutely nothing to me. A Prof 5 CRG-3 has barely any advantage over a zero investment HK4M. This led to the base stats of lower tier shotguns (STD/ADV) being too powerful, while PRO shotguns are slightly underwhelming. This has always been a problem with shotguns, and it has never been addressed, adjusting the differences between STD/ADV/PRO would greatly remedy the problem.
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Dark Taboo 607	Posted - 2014.05.24 18:11:00 - [13] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: The first day I tried a shotgun scout with cloak I used the free hks we got from news letter since I have zero skills in shotguns. I was using an adv cal scout and went several games in a row with low to high 30s kills and only a few deaths total. I easily averaged 10 more kills per game than my normal average with a ScR. And with a ScR I have a ton of sp invested in it and have to play smart and conservative because of overheat, with the shotgun I was playing like an idiot, super aggressive and still not dying with zero skills invested. After about six games with the shotguns I realized the shotgun/cloak combo is hands down the easiest, most op combo in the game and most importantly it was so easy it wasn't fun and I haven't pulled out a shotgun since because I actually enjoy a challenge. I played several games in a row against a range of players from scrubs to synced squads. Also this was before fan fest announcement so there were still lots of good players playing. Shotgunning now is probably so easy with the increase in noob players and reduction of quality players it would put me to sleep. Like Arkena said, this puts it a bit better than the OP. Nooberries are ****, and any decent weapon will tear them up. It doesn't help that the shotgun will OHK most low SP players before they can react. Add a cloak and you will, at the very least, be a thorn in the side of decent squads. Of course the cloak/shotgun combo is a problem, hopefully Hotfix Alpha will remedy that problem. The other problem is that the skills do almost nothing for the shotgun. Whenever someone justifies their "shotgun is OP" claim with "I used the HK4M and have no skills in shotguns," it means absolutely nothing to me. A Prof 5 CRG-3 has barely any advantage over a zero investment HK4M. This led to the base stats of lower tier shotguns (STD/ADV) being too powerful, while PRO shotguns are slightly underwhelming. This has always been a problem with shotguns, and it has never been addressed, adjusting the differences between STD/ADV/PRO would greatly remedy the problem. Then why have I been ohkilled with proto shotguns at 10 meters? In fact the furthest said 11m. The longest a militia shotgun has ohkilled me is 5 meters. When I was using the hk I had to get right up someones ass to kill them. Proto level skills can double the effective range of shotguns which is extreme. In most cqc scenarios you can't get out of a proto shotguns range before they kill you. No other weapon has a skill that doubles its effective range. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Green Pyramid ph-clones 1	Posted - 2014.05.24 18:51:00 - [14] - Quote op got pooped on so bad in his own thread, he wont even return to it to respond
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2014.05.24 19:01:00 - [15] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Shutter Fly wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: The first day I tried a shotgun scout with cloak I used the free hks we got from news letter since I have zero skills in shotguns. I was using an adv cal scout and went several games in a row with low to high 30s kills and only a few deaths total. I easily averaged 10 more kills per game than my normal average with a ScR. And with a ScR I have a ton of sp invested in it and have to play smart and conservative because of overheat, with the shotgun I was playing like an idiot, super aggressive and still not dying with zero skills invested. After about six games with the shotguns I realized the shotgun/cloak combo is hands down the easiest, most op combo in the game and most importantly it was so easy it wasn't fun and I haven't pulled out a shotgun since because I actually enjoy a challenge. I played several games in a row against a range of players from scrubs to synced squads. Also this was before fan fest announcement so there were still lots of good players playing. Shotgunning now is probably so easy with the increase in noob players and reduction of quality players it would put me to sleep. Like Arkena said, this puts it a bit better than the OP. Nooberries are ****, and any decent weapon will tear them up. It doesn't help that the shotgun will OHK most low SP players before they can react. Add a cloak and you will, at the very least, be a thorn in the side of decent squads. Of course the cloak/shotgun combo is a problem, hopefully Hotfix Alpha will remedy that problem. The other problem is that the skills do almost nothing for the shotgun. Whenever someone justifies their "shotgun is OP" claim with "I used the HK4M and have no skills in shotguns," it means absolutely nothing to me. A Prof 5 CRG-3 has barely any advantage over a zero investment HK4M. This led to the base stats of lower tier shotguns (STD/ADV) being too powerful, while PRO shotguns are slightly underwhelming. This has always been a problem with shotguns, and it has never been addressed, adjusting the differences between STD/ADV/PRO would greatly remedy the problem. Then why have I been ohkilled with proto shotguns at 10 meters? In fact the furthest said 11m. The longest a militia shotgun has ohkilled me is 5 meters. When I was using the hk I had to get right up someones ass to kill them. Proto level skills can double the effective range of shotguns which is extreme. In most cqc scenarios you can't get out of a proto shotguns range before they kill you. No other weapon has a skill that doubles its effective range. Probably because someone using a Proto shotgun is likely to have much more experience than someone using STD/MLT/HK4M. Someone with a lot of experience with the shotgun knows how to maximize damage at longer ranges, there's more to it than point and shoot. The skills don't do a whole lot for the range of the shotgun, the spread doesn't affect it much, and the Prof damage is negligible, it's the damage dropoff that limits the range. There is no way that any of those factors could double the effective range. At 10M, the shotgun does less than 50% damage, and it's impossible to hit anything smaller than a tank with the entire spread. Where is this mythical tank with ~150 eHP against light weapons? Also, I didn't say that the PRO shotgun isn't better than the others, I said it isn't good enough to warrant the ADV -> PRO jump. It's only off enough to warrant a small adjustment, but it is noticeable to those who use it often.
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Dark Taboo 608	Posted - 2014.05.24 20:33:00 - [16] - Quote My 387hp adv cal scout and 450hp proto cal scout has been ohk by different shotguns at 10m many many times so the dispersion skill is more effective than you claim. And the jump and shot trick used by shotty scouts makes head shoots easy sauce thus increasing the ohk ability of shotguns. I'm curious to know his much easier shotgunning is now and will probably try it again next time in on. I'm sure it will still be lots of kills, few deaths and minimal effort. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Eko Sol Strange Playings 376	Posted - 2014.05.24 20:48:00 - [17] - Quote Clone D wrote: I have been playing Dust for a while and today I decided to try out the shot gun for the first time. EASY MODE I used an out of the box character without cloak and went 8-0 on a standard (non-academy) open battlefield. To all of you shot gunners out there: WEAK! Learn how to use a scrambler pistol like a real man. To all of you cloaked shot gunners: You have no skill to speak of. No wonder cloaked shottys are so prevalent. Alright, you had a good run b/c you are experienced at the game. It's much more difficult to run shotgun...period...against skilled squads that Q Synced. Yes, for fun I run a MLT Gal Light suit with KinKats and plates and a MLT Shotgun and do well. Other times I get smashed to the ground. Get over yourself. Wait until you have serious hit detection issues when it really matters in a close match against skilled people. Or when you run past a heavy who is not even close to shooting at you and you just die. Or how about the fkn bricked commandos who also run shot and when you hit them they switch and hit you twice and now you are down. I think, with the cloak not having a delay, it takes terrible players and makes them decent. It isn't a win button though. If the alpha hotfix actually has the 1s delay like CCP Ratatta said then it won't be a problem anymore. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 102	Posted - 2014.05.24 21:03:00 - [18] - Quote No man. If you run into a competent group of players or a squad, it's hard to get the element of surprise, and if you do you'll just kill then be killed right after. But yeah don't get me wrong. I've been trying it out lately too, and I killed the logi AND his heavy. GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 802	Posted - 2014.05.24 21:07:00 - [19] - Quote mly shotgun scout in mlt gal frame+tiny bunker=greatest distraction of all time. no seriously. even proto scrubs were afraid to go in. i even had a tank focused on trying to kill me..fortunately the all died and failed..till i left to go hax the objective.. dust 514 shall be eternal. pve for dust 514. oh look. FF somehow made dust better!.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 389	Posted - 2014.05.24 21:15:00 - [20] - Quote 450% Headshot damage. Scrambler Pistol has its scrubiness too. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny = Biomass Console Master Race
Ghost Kaisar The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 4881	Posted - 2014.05.25 01:03:00 - [21] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: 450% Headshot damage. Scrambler Pistol has its scrubiness too. Charged NK's have 1200+ Damage Totally scrubby right? Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP PSN: EVL_Elgost105 RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
Tectonic Fusion 1672	Posted - 2014.05.25 01:12:00 - [22] - Quote For good players who don't stand still all the time, getting the head-shot with the shotgun is really hard. Oh, and dat strafe doe.
knight of 6 Heaven's Lost Property 1971	Posted - 2014.05.25 04:02:00 - [23] - Quote try it without the cloak Mr. easy mode my gif is gone, DINKLEBURG!! Ko6, scout
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 1931	Posted - 2014.05.25 04:13:00 - [24] - Quote Clone D wrote: I have been playing Dust for a while and today I decided to try out the shot gun for the first time. EASY MODE I used an out of the box character without cloak and went 8-0 on a standard (non-academy) open battlefield. To all of you shot gunners out there: WEAK! Learn how to use a scrambler pistol like a real man. To all of you cloaked shot gunners: You have no skill to speak of. No wonder cloaked shottys are so prevalent. The Hit Area for Shotguns on DS3 is massive with Aim assist(Even with it deactivated). Plug in a Mouse and try i bet you'll be lucky to kill one person and it will require their back to you full time. That is how shotgun and Gun's in DUST where intended to work.. The way hit detection works in dust is your Crosshairs go "Red" Then CCP servers and your PS3 says "OK you bullets will now register. Then Aim assist will keep those crosshairs "Red" Longer with Aim magnetism and then CCP expanded the field in which DS3 users get the crosshairs going "Red" When they did Hit detection tweaks. So it made it even easier to Aim without having to aim. This is DUST Since September 2013. Every gun runs at 80-90% Bullet accuracy If you can look in the general Direction of the enemy... Aiming and the competitive nature Of Aiming in a first Person SHooter Doesn't exist in DUST 514. You can't really be like "My Aim is better then yours" In DUST 514 that concept doesn't exist here anymore sadly.
Espartoi Orkz Clan 198	Posted - 2014.05.25 04:21:00 - [25] - Quote I wonder what will happen with all of those who depend on cloaked shotguns when the free shot goes off. 'Ere We Go: Orkz in Dust.
Michael Arck 4518	Posted - 2014.05.25 04:40:00 - [26] - Quote Espartoi wrote: I wonder what will happen with all of those who depend on cloaked shotguns when the free shot goes off. Since when a free shot goes off when cloaked? That never has happened in my time of use. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 281	Posted - 2014.05.25 05:08:00 - [27] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Espartoi wrote: I wonder what will happen with all of those who depend on cloaked shotguns when the free shot goes off. Since when a free shot goes off when cloaked? That never has happened in my time of use. That is likely more because you're not trying to do it, than actual evidence of it happening or not. I weights the anecdotal evidence of the masses rather higher than yours alone. MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1

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