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Sir Dukey
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.24 15:18:00 -
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Since cloaks are getting nerfed and my only two scouts (caldari and minmitar) wont be able to hid form scans because cloak nerf, should I put 466k sp is and get complex damps (have level 4 right now) or just brick tank them.
Leaning toward brick tanking. CCP, Any thoughts? |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.05.24 15:37:00 -
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Dual complex damps mean you'll only be scanned by another Calscout.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Sir Dukey
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
925
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Posted - 2014.05.24 15:52:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Dual complex damps mean you'll only be scanned by another Calscout.
or proto gal logi. |
Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
469
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Posted - 2014.05.24 17:56:00 -
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Get the dampeners. One of these will hide you from most suits at 23dB on your profile. It will take the average scout three precision enhancers just to scan you, with Caldari's taking two, and you'll easily avoid any and all vehicle scanners. Two will get you below proto scanning range, with three making you unscanable to all but proto gallente logis and proto caldari scouts running three enhancers.
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.05.24 18:12:00 -
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Depends. In a medium level competitive environment i.e. look at your opponents the damps can be a definite advantage. However, against a properly set up vet squad rocking proto then your dampeners won't help you once alpha hits.
I will say this I run around on occasion in a STD Cal Suit, with no dampener modules, and even when I am uncloaked most people don't seem to see me on their radar. However, I assume once alpha hits people will start to use the scanner more often.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.05.24 19:01:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Dual complex damps mean you'll only be scanned by another Calscout. or proto gal logi.
If you get hit by a proto Gallogi with a focused scan it's probably your own fault for flanking so poorly.
Those things have such a tiny angle and are barely up much of the time at all.
If you actually see one. They're not all that common.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Hynox Xitio
0uter.Heaven
1198
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Posted - 2014.05.24 19:03:00 -
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I have a question too: Why are you churning out dozens of near-meaningless threads a week?
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Luna McDuffing
COALICION LATINA
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Posted - 2014.05.24 19:36:00 -
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Well, even if you don't use the complex profile dampener you still get an additional 2% improvement on the one you currently use. As is you are already invisible to most people except maybe a caldari scout with precision enhancements and these kills plus the suit have to be leveled up in order to be effective. I should know because I do have a level 4 cladari scout and yes it is awesome at the price of not having a whole lot of protection. In short, if you want to get the most out of profile dampening then you need to have at least one complex module. However, I myself use an advance one even though I could use a complex one and that is plenty of protection. Then again, I can see people with my caldari suit so it makes up for not being completely undetectable.
If you have a gallente scout then you are golden as far as dampening goes. A level 5 gallente is invisible to everybody except for a caldari with a complex profile enhancer. Once you put on a complex dampener the caldari will need to be proto level + 2 complex enhancer. You can see the numbers here
(https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o-p4lFx53fIEu7eoeOZ5BRGxWkN0UOjCCSCs3XK8is4/edit#gid=0)
I think you should at some point level up that to level 5 but, the real question is when? You might be better off leveling off something else. You really have to analyze what will make the most impact to your play style. For example leveling up your suit 1 level for a scout gains you 3 skills. That is lower cloak resource usage (15%), plus +5% to two suit specific skills. For example the gallente gets 5% bonus to the dampener and 5 to the distance he can scan. I in that sense by leveling up he gets 3 things instead of just 1.
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Sir Dukey
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
930
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Posted - 2014.05.24 19:52:00 -
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Hynox Xitio wrote:I have a question too: Why are you churning out dozens of near-meaningless threads a week?
It's a question, you don't have to answer. |
Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
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Posted - 2014.05.24 22:39:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Since cloaks are getting nerfed and my only two scouts (caldari and minmitar) wont be able to hid form scans because cloak nerf, should I put 466k sp is and get complex damps (have level 4 right now) or just brick tank them.
Leaning toward brick tanking. CCP, Any thoughts?
Dampening. Then setup a number of fits with decreasing profile, ranging from fully brick to fully dampened. When you play use as bricked as you can get away with, and swap through dampened suits depending on if you're getting noticed. Done.
I normally play with at least a single dampener fitted, just to be on the safe side.
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CrotchGrab 360
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
1513
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Posted - 2014.05.24 22:44:00 -
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I'm seeing "scan attempt prevented" quite a lot recently, that's on a militia minmatar light frame, almost got profile dampening 5 (passive) i don't use dampening modules.
i don't know my profile or what kind of scanners i'm up against but it sure is better than "you have been scanned"!
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J0LLY R0G3R
Legion Alpha Tester
835
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Posted - 2014.05.24 23:04:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Since cloaks are getting nerfed and my only two scouts (caldari and minmitar) wont be able to hid form scans because cloak nerf, should I put 466k sp is and get complex damps (have level 4 right now) or just brick tank them.
Leaning toward brick tanking. CCP, Any thoughts?
Answer is yes, a scout should have damps maxed.
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
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Posted - 2014.05.25 02:19:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:I'm seeing "scan attempt prevented" quite a lot recently, that's on a militia minmatar light frame, almost got profile dampening 5 (passive) i don't use dampening modules.
i don't know my profile or what kind of scanners i'm up against but it sure is better than "you have been scanned"!
Light frame (profile of 35) will get under the Advanced active scanner (scan of 36) without any augmentation. That's what you'll see most of the time in pub matches, unless you run across a proto squad. Even with maxed profile dampening, you'll need at least a standard dampener to get under a normal Proto scanner (scan of 28). More if you want to avoid the focused scanner or a Gal logi.
Knowledge is power
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Sir Dukey
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
932
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Posted - 2014.05.25 02:39:00 -
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Brokerib wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:I'm seeing "scan attempt prevented" quite a lot recently, that's on a militia minmatar light frame, almost got profile dampening 5 (passive) i don't use dampening modules.
i don't know my profile or what kind of scanners i'm up against but it sure is better than "you have been scanned"! Light frame (profile of 35) will get under the Advanced active scanner (scan of 36) without any augmentation. That's what you'll see most of the time in pub matches, unless you run across a proto squad. Even with maxed profile dampening, you'll need at least a standard dampener to get under a normal Proto scanner (scan of 28). More if you want to avoid the focused scanner or a Gal logi.
how many to get under 22 DB of a cal scout with one precision? |
Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.05.25 04:46:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Brokerib wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:I'm seeing "scan attempt prevented" quite a lot recently, that's on a militia minmatar light frame, almost got profile dampening 5 (passive) i don't use dampening modules.
i don't know my profile or what kind of scanners i'm up against but it sure is better than "you have been scanned"! Light frame (profile of 35) will get under the Advanced active scanner (scan of 36) without any augmentation. That's what you'll see most of the time in pub matches, unless you run across a proto squad. Even with maxed profile dampening, you'll need at least a standard dampener to get under a normal Proto scanner (scan of 28). More if you want to avoid the focused scanner or a Gal logi. how many to get under 22 DB of a cal scout with one precision?
Three, I believe, unless you're running a Gal scout or a cloak. Depends on the suit though, but I believe two is around 23dB on scouts with maxed dampening.
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medomai grey
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
787
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Posted - 2014.05.25 04:53:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Since cloaks are getting nerfed and my only two scouts (caldari and minmitar) wont be able to hid form scans because cloak nerf, should I put 466k sp is and get complex damps (have level 4 right now) or just brick tank them.
Leaning toward brick tanking. CCP, Any thoughts? Why are you complaining about not being able to hide from detection when you did not fully invest in dampeners to begin with? 
Medium frame EHP is not medium
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