DUST Search - PLC numbers still too low ( math inside including spreadsheet )

XxGhazbaranxX wrote:

TL;DR

Damage increase of the Plasma Cannon is too low. Skill vs Reward too low compared to swarms

Even after the damage buff the proto plasma cannon will have 32 less DPS than Basic unskilled swarms. ( PROTO PLC 377 VS syd swarms 409) HERE ARE THE NUMBERS

Reconsider numbers to accommodate for how difficult it is to use the plasma cannon. Reward skilled players for using a difficult weapon vs an easy one.

HERE IS CURRENT PLC DATA

Min: STD

PLC damage = 1050

volley: 1050

PLC reload speed = 3.5 seconds

PLC animation lock = 1 second

charge time .6

seconds till next shot: 5.1

Max: PROTO rapid reload 5

PLC damage = 1155

volley = 1155

PLC reload speed = 3 seconds

animation lock = 1 second

minimum charge time = .45

seconds till next shot = 4.45

That's a total of 5.1 seconds unskilled and 4.45 seconds all level 5 in between shots... That's a maximum of 314 DPS average if and only if you do not miss any shots which is nearly impossible to do and can only be done on still targets.

CHANGED NUMBERS

Max: Proto PLC Rapid reload 5

PLC damage = 1386

volley = 1386

PLC reload speed 3 seconds

PLC animation lock = 1 second

minimum charge time = .45

Maximum DPS of 377 to vehicles... Still too little because this is AN EXTREMELY SKILLED WEAPON

COMPARISON WITH SWARMS (EASY MODE AV)

STD Swarms DPS

missile damage: = 220

missiles: 4

volley = 880

lock on time = 1.4 seconds

clip size = 3

reload 4.5 seconds = 8.7

DPS = 409

As we can see the std swarms, which require no amount of player skill input to use an by this I mean getting good wit it, already PASSES the DPS of the maximum paper DPS of the proto Plasma Cannon... reminder that the Plasma cannon has a lot more probability to miss a moving target than swarms.

But What about proto swarms?

Proto Swarms: Rapid reload 5

missile damage = 220

missile = 6

missile interval = 1 second

volley = 1320

clip size = 3

reload = 3.8 seconds

DPS = 538 damage per second

SKILL VS REWARD

The plasma Cannon is a weapon that has too little Skill vs reward. When compared to the Swarm launchers, no one is going to want to go through the hassle of learning to use a weapon that will still be completely underpowered.

Although the plasma cannon is difficult to use, many more people would use it if the time and skill needed to use it gave a noticeable advantage over an easier and powerful weapon.

CONCLUSION

The Plasma Cannon, even with the new numbers gets nowhere near acceptable AV levels. Couple this with it's Extremely HARD to use nature and you have a sub-par weapon that doesn't get used even if the match depended on it. I implore CCP to take a second look at the Plasma Cannon damage.The Plasma Cannon should have more DPS than the swarms simply based on the premis that it takes more skill to use a plasma cannon than to lock on and let go.


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Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 23	Posted - 2014.06.03 12:55:00 - [1] - Quote interesting but i think the difference is swarms can be destroyed by backing away behind some cover while plasma is a 1 hit alpha. swarm, meny hits of which sometimes not all will hit. plasma. dumb fire works vs infantry and vehicals and is a 1 hit alpha strike . i can see the use on commandos being use plasma as opener then switch to swarm to finish em off. and GG trollface to the loser who wasted millions of isk and SP on tanks :P Nanite Injectors! Nanite Injectors Everywhere! Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone?
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 23	Posted - 2014.06.03 13:00:00 - [2] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: TL;DR Damage increase of the Plasma Cannon is too low. Skill vs Reward too low compared to swarms Even after the damage buff the proto plasma cannon will have 32 less DPS than Basic unskilled swarms. ( PROTO PLC 377 VS syd swarms 409) HERE ARE THE NUMBERS Reconsider numbers to accommodate for how difficult it is to use the plasma cannon. Reward skilled players for using a difficult weapon vs an easy one. HERE IS CURRENT PLC DATA Min: STD PLC damage = 1050 volley: 1050 PLC reload speed = 3.5 seconds PLC animation lock = 1 second charge time .6 seconds till next shot: 5.1 Max: PROTO rapid reload 5 PLC damage = 1155 volley = 1155 PLC reload speed = 3 seconds animation lock = 1 second minimum charge time = .45 seconds till next shot = 4.45 That's a total of 5.1 seconds unskilled and 4.45 seconds all level 5 in between shots... That's a maximum of 314 DPS average if and only if you do not miss any shots which is nearly impossible to do and can only be done on still targets. CHANGED NUMBERS Max: Proto PLC Rapid reload 5 PLC damage = 1386 volley = 1386 PLC reload speed 3 seconds PLC animation lock = 1 second minimum charge time = .45 Maximum DPS of 377 to vehicles... Still too little because this is AN EXTREMELY SKILLED WEAPON COMPARISON WITH SWARMS (EASY MODE AV) STD Swarms DPS missile damage: = 220 missiles: 4 volley = 880 lock on time = 1.4 seconds clip size = 3 reload 4.5 seconds = 8.7 DPS = 409 As we can see the std swarms, which require no amount of player skill input to use an by this I mean getting good wit it, already PASSES the DPS of the maximum paper DPS of the proto Plasma Cannon... reminder that the Plasma cannon has a lot more probability to miss a moving target than swarms. But What about proto swarms? Proto Swarms: Rapid reload 5 missile damage = 220 missile = 6 missile interval = 1 second volley = 1320 clip size = 3 reload = 3.8 seconds DPS = 538 damage per second SKILL VS REWARD The plasma Cannon is a weapon that has too little Skill vs reward. When compared to the Swarm launchers, no one is going to want to go through the hassle of learning to use a weapon that will still be completely underpowered. Although the plasma cannon is difficult to use, many more people would use it if the time and skill needed to use it gave a noticeable advantage over an easier and powerful weapon. CONCLUSION The Plasma Cannon, even with the new numbers gets nowhere near acceptable AV levels. Couple this with it's Extremely HARD to use nature and you have a sub-par weapon that doesn't get used even if the match depended on it. I implore CCP to take a second look at the Plasma Cannon damage.The Plasma Cannon should have more DPS than the swarms simply based on the premis that it takes more skill to use a plasma cannon than to lock on and let go. i think the problem is.. some people who possibly haven't played EVE don't know the important difference between DPS and alpha. the alpha on plasma is good tho i think needs to be buffed up some to be comparable to Forge guns. also plasma cannon can be used vs infantry as well where as swarms cannot. swarms are lock on, while plasma is dumb fire. throw Flux nade (or 2 depending on cal or gal tank) pop a plasma and gg. Nanite Injectors! Nanite Injectors Everywhere! Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone?