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Leeroy Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.05.23 00:49:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:Take the scan range bonus away from Caldari and Gallente scouts, give it to Amarr scout. Make Caldari scout the specialised scout hunter, the Gallente Scout the stealth expert and the Amarr Scout the spotter.
This way the Amarr Scout with its poor precision and max precision has the largest scan radius making it especially well suited to supporting the heavy infantry of a slow-moving Amarr battle line; prevent outflanking by heavier frames.
This would also reduce the effectiveness of the Caldari scout, especially against other scouts, and would potentially allow for a minor reduction in Gallente Scout's bonus; what I'm thinking is that the specialisation of the Caldari's precision tanking without range to go with it would mean the Caldari and Gallente scouts can be balanced further against each other.
Or something.
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Sir Dukey
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.23 02:49:00 -
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Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:Take the scan range bonus away from Caldari and Gallente scouts, give it to Amarr scout. Make Caldari scout the specialised scout hunter, the Gallente Scout the stealth expert and the Amarr Scout the spotter. This way the Amarr Scout with its poor precision and max precision has the largest scan radius making it especially well suited to supporting the heavy infantry of a slow-moving Amarr battle line; prevent outflanking by heavier frames. This would also reduce the effectiveness of the Caldari scout, especially against other scouts, and would potentially allow for a minor reduction in Gallente Scout's bonus; what I'm thinking is that the specialisation of the Caldari's precision tanking without range to go with it would mean the Caldari and Gallente scouts can be balanced further against each other. Or something.
amarr scout- 7% rof Bonus to SCP per level and +1 SCP round per clip. = balance. |
Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
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Posted - 2014.05.23 03:10:00 -
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I...actually quite like the idea. Amarr being able to spot mediums and heavies at a distance fits with their assault role, Calradi are able to scan scouts but have limited range.
Still have questions about what to do with the Gal to then balance it, but otherwise +1.
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.05.23 03:33:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:amarr scout- 7% rof Bonus to SCP per level and +1 SCP round per clip. = balance.
I don't like this idea; BKs require skill.
Spamming ScP? Not so much.
Brokerib wrote:I...actually quite like the idea. Amarr being able to spot mediums and heavies at a distance fits with their assault role, Calradi are able to scan scouts but have limited range.
Still have questions about what to do with the Gal to then balance it, but otherwise +1.
Well, I was thinking that plate modifications that CCP seems to be doing would be a good start, and I quite like the idea of cutting its dampening bonus to 4% per level instead of 5%, and then putting precision and dampening modules in line with one another. This still gives it an advantage before modules, and means that on a 1-1 basis the Gallente is still harder to spot.
I did make those calculations assuming that the cloak would keep it's dampening bonus, though...
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.05.23 03:42:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:Take the scan range bonus away from Caldari and Gallente scouts, give it to Amarr scout. Make Caldari scout the specialised scout hunter, the Gallente Scout the stealth expert and the Amarr Scout the spotter. This way the Amarr Scout with its poor precision and max precision has the largest scan radius making it especially well suited to supporting the heavy infantry of a slow-moving Amarr battle line; prevent outflanking by heavier frames. This would also reduce the effectiveness of the Caldari scout, especially against other scouts, and would potentially allow for a minor reduction in Gallente Scout's bonus; what I'm thinking is that the specialisation of the Caldari's precision tanking without range to go with it would mean the Caldari and Gallente scouts can be balanced further against each other. Or something. amarr scout- 7% rof Bonus to SCP per level and +1 SCP round per clip. = balance.
Thats not balance at all thats a **** bonus that doesnt fulfil any scouting role.
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DozersMouse XIII
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.05.23 04:26:00 -
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amarr scout is no ewar bro
don't harm the hamsters
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.05.23 04:28:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:amarr scout is no ewar bro
Why not?
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DozersMouse XIII
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.05.23 04:29:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:Take the scan range bonus away from Caldari and Gallente scouts, give it to Amarr scout. Make Caldari scout the specialised scout hunter, the Gallente Scout the stealth expert and the Amarr Scout the spotter. This way the Amarr Scout with its poor precision and max precision has the largest scan radius making it especially well suited to supporting the heavy infantry of a slow-moving Amarr battle line; prevent outflanking by heavier frames. This would also reduce the effectiveness of the Caldari scout, especially against other scouts, and would potentially allow for a minor reduction in Gallente Scout's bonus; what I'm thinking is that the specialisation of the Caldari's precision tanking without range to go with it would mean the Caldari and Gallente scouts can be balanced further against each other. Or something. amarr scout- 7% rof Bonus to SCP per level and +1 SCP round per clip. = balance.
I like this better
its fits more with the minmatar Vs amarr theme
but there is still no doubt that amarr scout needs the stamina bonus tweaked along with the scp bonus
don't harm the hamsters
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.05.23 04:32:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:Take the scan range bonus away from Caldari and Gallente scouts, give it to Amarr scout. Make Caldari scout the specialised scout hunter, the Gallente Scout the stealth expert and the Amarr Scout the spotter. This way the Amarr Scout with its poor precision and max precision has the largest scan radius making it especially well suited to supporting the heavy infantry of a slow-moving Amarr battle line; prevent outflanking by heavier frames. This would also reduce the effectiveness of the Caldari scout, especially against other scouts, and would potentially allow for a minor reduction in Gallente Scout's bonus; what I'm thinking is that the specialisation of the Caldari's precision tanking without range to go with it would mean the Caldari and Gallente scouts can be balanced further against each other. Or something. amarr scout- 7% rof Bonus to SCP per level and +1 SCP round per clip. = balance. I like this better its fits more with the minmatar Vs amarr theme but there is still no doubt that amarr scout needs the stamina bonus tweaked along with the scp bonus
How does that make it a scout? The stamina bonus is irrelevant. Stamina recharge is important. Max stamina is less so. Much less.
Why can the Amarr Scout not be an EWAR scout?
Is there such thing as a scout that doesn't focus around EWAR? Isn't that the entire 'thing' that scouts do? I would, for the record, consider hacking an EWAR effect.
And another thing: the Amarr scout is apparently getting a bonus to Biotics; would you complain if it turned out to be faster than the Minmatar?
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DozersMouse XIII
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.05.23 05:10:00 -
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Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:DozersMouse XIII wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:Take the scan range bonus away from Caldari and Gallente scouts, give it to Amarr scout. Make Caldari scout the specialised scout hunter, the Gallente Scout the stealth expert and the Amarr Scout the spotter. This way the Amarr Scout with its poor precision and max precision has the largest scan radius making it especially well suited to supporting the heavy infantry of a slow-moving Amarr battle line; prevent outflanking by heavier frames. This would also reduce the effectiveness of the Caldari scout, especially against other scouts, and would potentially allow for a minor reduction in Gallente Scout's bonus; what I'm thinking is that the specialisation of the Caldari's precision tanking without range to go with it would mean the Caldari and Gallente scouts can be balanced further against each other. Or something. amarr scout- 7% rof Bonus to SCP per level and +1 SCP round per clip. = balance. I like this better its fits more with the minmatar Vs amarr theme but there is still no doubt that amarr scout needs the stamina bonus tweaked along with the scp bonus How does that make it a scout? The stamina bonus is irrelevant. Stamina recharge is important. Max stamina is less so. Much less. Why can the Amarr Scout not be an EWAR scout? Is there such thing as a scout that doesn't focus around EWAR? Isn't that the entire 'thing' that scouts do? I would, for the record, consider hacking an EWAR effect. And another thing: the Amarr scout is apparently getting a bonus to Biotics; would you complain if it turned out to be faster than the Minmatar?
if you look I said the stamina bonus needs tweaks
hacking is ewar and you got me there
I don't believe the amarr scout should ever outshine the minmatar in speed
same goes for stamina on the amarr Vs stamina on the minmatar (thats where CCP failed)
if anything swipe the range from the gallente and give it to the amarr
it actually makes more sense because amarr and caldari are more range oriented
don't harm the hamsters
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THUNDERGROOVE
The Last of DusT.
General Tso's Alliance
803
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Posted - 2014.05.23 06:19:00 -
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Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:amarr scout- 7% rof Bonus to SCP per level and +1 SCP round per clip. = balance. I don't like this idea; BKs require skill. Spamming ScP? Not so much.
Why not? Knives are easy if you have the proper module fit and scrambler pistols already got a massive nerf in 1.8
TDBS
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Chimichanga66605
Myrmidon Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.05.23 07:28:00 -
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Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:Take the scan range bonus away from Caldari and Gallente scouts, give it to Amarr scout. Make Caldari scout the specialised scout hunter, the Gallente Scout the stealth expert and the Amarr Scout the spotter. This way the Amarr Scout with its poor precision and max precision has the largest scan radius making it especially well suited to supporting the heavy infantry of a slow-moving Amarr battle line; prevent outflanking by heavier frames. This would also reduce the effectiveness of the Caldari scout, especially against other scouts, and would potentially allow for a minor reduction in Gallente Scout's bonus; what I'm thinking is that the specialisation of the Caldari's precision tanking without range to go with it would mean the Caldari and Gallente scouts can be balanced further against each other. Or something.
Dammit. Despite being against any Amarr buff +1.
This is a good idea.
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Faquira Bleuetta
The Last of DusT.
General Tso's Alliance
396
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Posted - 2014.05.23 09:21:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:Take the scan range bonus away from Caldari and Gallente scouts, give it to Amarr scout. Make Caldari scout the specialised scout hunter, the Gallente Scout the stealth expert and the Amarr Scout the spotter. This way the Amarr Scout with its poor precision and max precision has the largest scan radius making it especially well suited to supporting the heavy infantry of a slow-moving Amarr battle line; prevent outflanking by heavier frames. This would also reduce the effectiveness of the Caldari scout, especially against other scouts, and would potentially allow for a minor reduction in Gallente Scout's bonus; what I'm thinking is that the specialisation of the Caldari's precision tanking without range to go with it would mean the Caldari and Gallente scouts can be balanced further against each other. Or something. amarr scout- 7% rof Bonus to SCP per level and +1 SCP round per clip. = balance.
amarr scout+8% rof Bonus to SCP per level + 5 % bonus to biotic per lvl = balance
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