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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.05.19 00:18:00 -
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Maybe, with all of these changes that the suits have gone through, CCP was right on their original suit bonus plan. Right now assault suits are curled up twitching on the bottom of the heap. CCP's original bonus for assault suits was to give them a bonus to their races weapon ROF. The Minmatar would obviously benefit the most from this if it were a percentage bump, but they are supposed to be a fast low-health/high-DPS class anyway. With some slight tweaking to bring the AR up to speed and reign in the CR, this bonus would have kept the assault suit off the scrap heap.
You think maybe we should have gone with the original bonuses or do you think we were right to ask for the fitting cost bonus? I'm conflicted...
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.05.19 00:31:00 -
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New plan is to give the commando role over to the assaults completely (while possibly retaining similar assault slots save the equipment and weapon allocations) so I am curious how would that would work.
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Lynn Beck
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.19 00:48:00 -
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Not to mention that Laser Rifles' damage rampup was based on per shot consecutive, while the heat was per second.
In other words, having the RoF boost would've extremely buffed the Laser Rifle with the heat sink as well, only thing that would NOT have had a 'super buff' via amarr assaults' RoF was semi-auto SCR, but it was already a pocket HMG.
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Posted - 2014.05.19 03:12:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:New plan is to give the commando role over to the assaults completely (while possibly retaining similar assault slots save the equipment and weapon allocations) so I am curious how would that would work.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.05.19 17:57:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:New plan is to give the commando role over to the assaults completely (while possibly retaining similar assault slots save the equipment and weapon allocations) so I am curious how would that would work.
That is encouraging news, thanks for the update IWS. o7 Any word on what ideas are being passed around for the commando or is that still completely up in the air?
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.05.19 18:13:00 -
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I absolutely adore the 2 light weapons assault concept.
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Phoenix 85
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.19 18:16:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:New plan is to give the commando role over to the assaults completely (while possibly retaining similar assault slots save the equipment and weapon allocations) so I am curious how would that would work.
So minmatar finally gets a decent suit and they take it away?
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Maximus Stryker
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Posted - 2014.05.19 18:21:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I absolutely adore the 2 light weapons assault concept.
Only if they keep the exact same starts and just sub the light weapons for the sidearm slot. The commando as we know it is entirely too slow. I'd like to see current assault speed and with two light weapons.
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2014.05.19 18:29:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I absolutely adore the 2 light weapons assault concept.
^This.
I think it would give a good grounding for the Assault suits without another round of nerf calls for other suits (of whatever frame size). Assaults should just be "the best" when it comes to in the mix combat, but they do need a valuable tactical nice/role on the field and transposing some of the Commando aspects over the Assault frame could be move we need.
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.19 18:52:00 -
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I still wish the entire class was just 4 racial version of the black eagle suit. before the stats were released I was looking forward to playing the commando. The Amarr Commando fell short of expectations. Now It's the Minmatar Commando for DPS/AV and the Caldari Commando as the last bastion for snipers. *sighs*
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.21 03:10:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:New plan is to give the commando role over to the assaults completely (while possibly retaining similar assault slots save the equipment and weapon allocations) so I am curious how would that would work.
So are we talking simply adding the second light weapon to the medium assault suit or an overhaul that removes grenade or equipment?
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.05.21 13:22:00 -
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Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:New plan is to give the commando role over to the assaults completely (while possibly retaining similar assault slots save the equipment and weapon allocations) so I am curious how would that would work. So are we talking simply adding the second light weapon to the medium assault suit or an overhaul that removes grenade or equipment?
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Spectral Clone
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Posted - 2014.05.21 13:28:00 -
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IWS: Could assaults with dual light weapons be added into Dust? Or is it only applicable for Legion?
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Leeroy Gannarsein
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Posted - 2014.05.21 14:31:00 -
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Phoenix 85 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:New plan is to give the commando role over to the assaults completely (while possibly retaining similar assault slots save the equipment and weapon allocations) so I am curious how would that would work. So minmatar finally gets a decent suit and they take it away?
Yes. Because you guys are filthy slaves and/or tribal scum.
But seriously, only one suit? All the Min Heavies I know swear by the thing, and I know a couple of guys that are very happy with the current incarnation of the MinAssault (although only when there's a CalScout in the squad).
And the MinLogi is still very popular for actual logistics play. Actually, it's probably the most common logi, with Amarr being (surprisingly) the least common...
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.05.21 21:59:00 -
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Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:Phoenix 85 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:New plan is to give the commando role over to the assaults completely (while possibly retaining similar assault slots save the equipment and weapon allocations) so I am curious how would that would work. So minmatar finally gets a decent suit and they take it away? Yes. Because you guys are filthy slaves and/or tribal scum. But seriously, only one suit? All the Min Heavies I know swear by the thing, and I know a couple of guys that are very happy with the current incarnation of the MinAssault (although only when there's a CalScout in the squad). And the MinLogi is still very popular for actual logistics play. Actually, it's probably the most common logi, with Amarr being (surprisingly) the least common...
If you are going to give assaults 2 light slots, you should give all logi's a sidearm. Just my feels on it.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.05.21 22:10:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:
If you are going to give assaults 2 light slots, you should give all logi's a sidearm. Just my feels on it.
Why?
There's no need.
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.05.21 22:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:New plan is to give the commando role over to the assaults completely (while possibly retaining similar assault slots save the equipment and weapon allocations) so I am curious how would that would work.
I have said it before. Commando's and Assaults should really be the same suit. Assaults should have 2 LW.
In addition, Assaults are NOT in the bottom of the heap. People keep saying this. The GAL Assault turns the GAR AR into the sickest 60m to 80m weapon in the history of this game. Try it. Min and Cal Assaults shield tank a reasonable amount of HP and still afford room for a Light damage mod OR even two. Gal Assault get's built in reps and tanks almost like a heavy.
Assaults are fine. They destroy scouts often and protect the 6 of logis who are working with heavies.
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Baal Omniscient
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Posted - 2014.05.21 22:50:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:
If you are going to give assaults 2 light slots, you should give all logi's a sidearm. Just my feels on it.
Why? There's no need.
No there isn't. However it feels as though giving this bump is going to lead to Logi suits needing love next. As you ramp up the abilities of the attackers, the support suffers more and more.
It's an itch in the back of my mind that's just not going away, something will need to happen for Logi suits soon too.
...........Or it could just be a tumor, who knows.
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.05.21 22:57:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:
If you are going to give assaults 2 light slots, you should give all logi's a sidearm. Just my feels on it.
Why? There's no need. No there isn't. However it feels as though giving this bump is going to lead to Logi suits needing love next. As you ramp up the abilities of the attackers, the support suffers more and more. It's an itch in the back of my mind that's just not going away, something will need to happen for Logi suits soon too. ...........Or it could just be a tumor, who knows.
Logi suits are fine as is. I don't like the Cal and Amarr bonus leaving when changing suits or dying but at the same time it's valid that they did that. I wish they did something a bit better but it still has it's uses. Logi's are fine. I think assaults are fine. Commandos are a joke IMO and should generally be fused with Assaults. Scouts are OP and that is obvious for a number of reasons.
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