DUST Search - Instead of a Player Market...

Pokey Dravon wrote:

RYN0CER0S wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

We talked about this with Hans from CPM0 on last week's episode of Biomassed.

The issue is in the coding and that items in Dust are actually hard coded into the EVE market in that they have location data and use the EVE market (albeit NPC operated) to sell the items to you. Simply transferring the item would seem like a simple UI update on the surface, but would require massive recoding behind the scenes, and CCP just isn't going to spend the money to do that for Dust.

This differs from ISK transfers because ISK does not have a specific location in the universe, it can be quickly transfered regardless of difference because it's not an actual item.

Crazy how they nail some excessively complicated ****, but changing a simple numerical value on an item is like solving a 12-sided Rubik's cube.

Well in this case it was designed to work with a full market system which at the time was the long term goal for Dust, obviously this is no longer the case so the preparations they made were actually kind of a bad thing for Dust. What they did was correct given the information at the time but now it kinda prevents any chance of item trading for Dust without doing more work than they're willing to. What?

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Cpl Foster USMC The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 852	Posted - 2014.05.17 15:50:00 - [1] - Quote how about a "Give Item" tab ? we have a "Give Money" choice, why not add another. Then we can trade items for isk on our own. Trade items between friends/corp mates. Get burned by strangers when you send the money first....stuff like that... would that be hard to do ? CCP...? and what could go wrong ? I know what I would do , but it would solve a problem and give us a carrot on a stick for a little while... (and I embarrassed myself in a PC match last night...0-14....sad display...just putting that out there...) I find 2 corps I like just when the game is dying....figures....
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries 492	Posted - 2014.05.17 15:55:00 - [2] - Quote Would be nice, but I think this would count as a UI change. CCP already said UI changes can't be done with a hotfix.
noobsniper the 2nd Kestrel Mercenary Group Zero-Day 556	Posted - 2014.05.17 16:02:00 - [3] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: how about a "Give Item" tab ? we have a "Give Money" choice, why not add another. Then we can trade items for isk on our own. Trade items between friends/corp mates. Get burned by strangers when you send the money first....stuff like that... would that be hard to do ? CCP...? and what could go wrong ? I know what I would do , but it would solve a problem and give us a carrot on a stick for a little while... (and I embarrassed myself in a PC match last night...0-14....sad display...just putting that out there...) I would say git gud but were in the same alliance so I can't GG tho but completely agree this sounds good CEO of Kestrel Mercenary Group Recruitment status: open No scrubs allowed that means you random blueberry
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1513	Posted - 2014.05.17 16:11:00 - [4] - Quote Bump Closed beta vet.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 323	Posted - 2014.05.17 16:28:00 - [5] - Quote They first 8.3 months of 'Give Item' would result in your entire inventory transferring to the second party. Can't Code Properly PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny = Biomass Console Master Race
Hynox Xitio 0uter.Heaven 1091	Posted - 2014.05.17 16:40:00 - [6] - Quote MAke sure to test it when its released by giving me all your Gastun HMG's. Unleash the Fogwoggler, follow your dreams. ( -íº -£-û -íº) /)
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 144	Posted - 2014.05.17 18:24:00 - [7] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: how about a "Give Item" tab ? we have a "Give Money" choice, why not add another. Then we can trade items for isk on our own. Trade items between friends/corp mates. Get burned by strangers when you send the money first....stuff like that... would that be hard to do ? CCP...? and what could go wrong ? I know what I would do , but it would solve a problem and give us a carrot on a stick for a little while... (and I embarrassed myself in a PC match last night...0-14....sad display...just putting that out there...) I like the idea. It would motivate growth, and lead to new industries, as you would see "middleman" corps forming. Corps whos job is to be a trusted 3rd party for trades and who collect fees for their services. Within time you would see full blown merchant corps forming as inventory and market demand builds up. My only wonder would be...how would suit/vehicle sending work? Would you have to remove to modules? Or would it send with a module loaded onto it, and consequently you lose 1x vehicle and 1x module from your inventory? Cause that would also be an interesting dimension, allowing players to build and sell customized suits/vehicles. Its alot of life that could be breathed into the game with just a few small changes.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Zero-Day 157	Posted - 2014.05.17 18:50:00 - [8] - Quote I like it too, and it sounds simple, BUT... there are some thing that would have to be looked at: - You could create endless characters to earn the 1-day booster from the tutorial and then send it to your main. - You could redeem your e-mail subscription gifts with different accounts and send them all to your main. - You would be able to send endless militia gear that comes with every new character. Stuff like that that should be modified or limited (only some items can be transferred). Personally i'd love to buy some BPOs.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Zero-Day 157	Posted - 2014.05.17 18:54:00 - [9] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: I like the idea. It would motivate growth, and lead to new industries, as you would see "middleman" corps forming. Corps whos job is to be a trusted 3rd party for trades and who collect fees for their services. Within time you would see full blown merchant corps forming as inventory and market demand builds up. My only wonder would be...how would suit/vehicle sending work? Would you have to remove to modules? Or would it send with a module loaded onto it, and consequently you lose 1x vehicle and 1x module from your inventory? Cause that would also be an interesting dimension, allowing players to build and sell customized suits/vehicles. Its alot of life that could be breathed into the game with just a few small changes. You would send vehicles the same way they are in your "Assets". If the module is included by default (yellow borders) then it's just part of the vehicle and it would go with it. You won't be sending entire fittings, only individual items selected from your assets.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3328	Posted - 2014.05.17 20:18:00 - [10] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: how about a "Give Item" tab ? we have a "Give Money" choice, why not add another. Then we can trade items for isk on our own. Trade items between friends/corp mates. Get burned by strangers when you send the money first....stuff like that... would that be hard to do ? CCP...? That sounds oddly familiar, as though someone else had suggested it a couple days ago to Rattati.... Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski

Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 153	Posted - 2014.05.17 20:50:00 - [11] - Quote Lol, good sugestion, but really might just be easier to add a simple trade window. Its a little thing thats in EVE (not player market, just simple trade between 2 character). Actually, I never realized this wasnt present in game lol. Its a so simple a thing.
Xx-VxF-xX Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2014.05.17 21:14:00 - [12] - Quote I would be happy with just a delete button. Like I need all the Gastun HMG's as a scout.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1671	Posted - 2014.05.17 21:35:00 - [13] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Lol, good sugestion, but really might just be easier to add a simple trade window. Its a little thing thats in EVE (not player market, just simple trade between 2 character). Actually, I never realized this wasnt present in game lol. Its a so simple a thing. There are a number of things that you would think would be in this game but aren't because CCP sucks Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 329	Posted - 2014.05.17 21:38:00 - [14] - Quote Xx-VxF-xX wrote: I would be happy with just a delete button. Like I need all the Gastun HMG's as a scout. ****... I'd give you 2 of almost any other OW for those. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny = Biomass Console Master Race
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 624	Posted - 2014.05.17 21:40:00 - [15] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: how about a "Give Item" tab ? we have a "Give Money" choice, why not add another. Then we can trade items for isk on our own. Trade items between friends/corp mates. Get burned by strangers when you send the money first....stuff like that... would that be hard to do ? CCP...? and what could go wrong ? I know what I would do , but it would solve a problem and give us a carrot on a stick for a little while... (and I embarrassed myself in a PC match last night...0-14....sad display...just putting that out there...) Probably easier said than done. Though I also wish they would add in some kind of asset transfer. I have so many things I'll never use. You didn't embarrass yourself at all in that PC match. We're all rusty at PC due to the large blue doughnut that sat in MH for the past 3 months. I'm sure with some more practice you guys will come knocking on our door!
Cpl Foster USMC The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 863	Posted - 2014.05.17 21:43:00 - [16] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Cpl Foster USMC wrote: how about a "Give Item" tab ? we have a "Give Money" choice, why not add another. Then we can trade items for isk on our own. Trade items between friends/corp mates. Get burned by strangers when you send the money first....stuff like that... would that be hard to do ? CCP...? That sounds oddly familiar, as though someone else had suggested it a couple days ago to Rattati.... did not know that...thought of it in the shower... I find 2 corps I like just when the game is dying....figures....
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2035	Posted - 2014.05.17 21:46:00 - [17] - Quote We talked about this with Hans from CPM0 on last week's episode of Biomassed. The issue is in the coding and that items in Dust are actually hard coded into the EVE market in that they have location data and use the EVE market (albeit NPC operated) to sell the items to you. Simply transferring the item would seem like a simple UI update on the surface, but would require massive recoding behind the scenes, and CCP just isn't going to spend the money to do that for Dust. This differs from ISK transfers because ISK does not have a specific location in the universe, it can be quickly transfered regardless of difference because it's not an actual item. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 330	Posted - 2014.05.17 21:56:00 - [18] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: We talked about this with Hans from CPM0 on last week's episode of Biomassed. The issue is in the coding and that items in Dust are actually hard coded into the EVE market in that they have location data and use the EVE market (albeit NPC operated) to sell the items to you. Simply transferring the item would seem like a simple UI update on the surface, but would require massive recoding behind the scenes, and CCP just isn't going to spend the money to do that for Dust. This differs from ISK transfers because ISK does not have a specific location in the universe, it can be quickly transfered regardless of difference because it's not an actual item. Crazy how they nail some excessively complicated ****, but changing a simple numerical value on an item is like solving a 12-sided Rubik's cube. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny = Biomass Console Master Race
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2035	Posted - 2014.05.17 22:10:00 - [19] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: We talked about this with Hans from CPM0 on last week's episode of Biomassed. The issue is in the coding and that items in Dust are actually hard coded into the EVE market in that they have location data and use the EVE market (albeit NPC operated) to sell the items to you. Simply transferring the item would seem like a simple UI update on the surface, but would require massive recoding behind the scenes, and CCP just isn't going to spend the money to do that for Dust. This differs from ISK transfers because ISK does not have a specific location in the universe, it can be quickly transfered regardless of difference because it's not an actual item. Crazy how they nail some excessively complicated ****, but changing a simple numerical value on an item is like solving a 12-sided Rubik's cube. Well in this case it was designed to work with a full market system which at the time was the long term goal for Dust, obviously this is no longer the case so the preparations they made were actually kind of a bad thing for Dust. What they did was correct given the information at the time but now it kinda prevents any chance of item trading for Dust without doing more work than they're willing to. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 624	Posted - 2014.05.18 04:45:00 - [20] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: We talked about this with Hans from CPM0 on last week's episode of Biomassed. The issue is in the coding and that items in Dust are actually hard coded into the EVE market in that they have location data and use the EVE market (albeit NPC operated) to sell the items to you. Simply transferring the item would seem like a simple UI update on the surface, but would require massive recoding behind the scenes, and CCP just isn't going to spend the money to do that for Dust. This differs from ISK transfers because ISK does not have a specific location in the universe, it can be quickly transfered regardless of difference because it's not an actual item. Crazy how they nail some excessively complicated ****, but changing a simple numerical value on an item is like solving a 12-sided Rubik's cube. Well in this case it was designed to work with a full market system which at the time was the long term goal for Dust, obviously this is no longer the case so the preparations they made were actually kind of a bad thing for Dust. What they did was correct given the information at the time but now it kinda prevents any chance of item trading for Dust without doing more work than they're willing to. Seems like the whole "more work than they're willing to do" concept has been the fault from the get go.

skippy678 The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 2474	Posted - 2014.05.18 04:48:00 - [21] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: how about a "Give Item" tab ? we have a "Give Money" choice, why not add another. Then we can trade items for isk on our own. Trade items between friends/corp mates. Get burned by strangers when you send the money first....stuff like that... would that be hard to do ? CCP...? and what could go wrong ? I know what I would do , but it would solve a problem and give us a carrot on a stick for a little while... (and I embarrassed myself in a PC match last night...0-14....sad display...just putting that out there...) Doubt we will see a player market :( giving would be good but .. My Youtube Lvl. 2 Forum Warrior Follow:@skippy6gaming #BetaVet
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 222	Posted - 2014.05.18 06:37:00 - [22] - Quote What about a simple "SELL" option, to sell the stuff back to the same NPC for half market price? That would not involve any complicated "transferring" of goods. Edit: still a client change, but probably quite a small one (relatively).


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