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Duke Noobiam
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:40:00 -
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Shotguns need to be nerfed, either the rate of fire or the damage.
Scouts should not be able to take heavies head-on (one on one) in CQC and win as much as they lose.
This is the only thing that still annoys me about the 1.8 patch.
How do you kill that which has no life?
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
13235
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:42:00 -
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*sighs*
Here we go again.
Okay.
How many shotguns did you see in use before 1.7? How many did you see in use after 1.8?
What major item was introduced in 1.8? Is there a way in which that can be used that drastically improves use of the shotgun?
Do you think that might have something to do with it?
There is no reason that a weapon with a 4m optimal should not be able to kill a heavy at point blank range.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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fatal fagsolution
8
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:43:00 -
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THE FACT YOURE ASKING FOR SOMETHING TO BE NERFED THIS FAR INTO THE DEATH OF DUST SHOWS...
1. U TAKE IT IN THE @SS
2. U SUCK IT WHEN IT COMES OUT YOUR @SS
3. U NEVER WASH UP AFTER TAKING IT IN THE @SS N SUCKING THE SH!T OFF... THEN U COME TO THE FORUMS TO TALK SH!T
WASH YOUR MOUTH
QUIT THE GAME , MORON
GO PLAY WITH A NERF DIDLO
SEE IF THAT WORKS BETTER FOR U
tRoLL kInG
got a problem
well, I have the solution
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Duke Noobiam
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
102
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:55:00 -
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fatal fagsolution wrote:THE FACT YOURE ASKING FOR SOMETHING TO BE NERFED THIS FAR INTO THE DEATH OF DUST SHOWS...
1. U TAKE IT IN THE @SS
2. U SUCK IT WHEN IT COMES OUT YOUR @SS
3. U NEVER WASH UP AFTER TAKING IT IN THE @SS N SUCKING THE SH!T OFF... THEN U COME TO THE FORUMS TO TALK SH!T
WASH YOUR MOUTH
QUIT THE GAME , MORON
GO PLAY WITH A NERF DIDLO
SEE IF THAT WORKS BETTER FOR U
Wow, someone needs to take their happy pills...
You truly are a disgusting, abusive human being who is raging about something as trivial as a game. Why don't you go back to abusing those closest to you (who eventually will leave and hate you) and leave the forums for the adults.
How do you kill that which has no life?
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Duke Noobiam
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
102
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:58:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*sighs*
Here we go again.
Okay.
How many shotguns did you see in use before 1.7? How many did you see in use after 1.8?
What major item was introduced in 1.8? Is there a way in which that can be used that drastically improves use of the shotgun?
Do you think that might have something to do with it?
There is no reason that a weapon with a 4m optimal should not be able to kill a heavy at point blank range.
I agree that the shotgun was fine before and that the real problem is cloak + shotgun. But the cloak is here to stay and right now there is an imbalance.
I won't stop playing or cry that it's unfair, just pointing out the imbalance and an easy, practical way to fix it.
How do you kill that which has no life?
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Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
350
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:04:00 -
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ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm no, shotguns are still unreliable sometimes with hit detection(still), and the shotgun is an alpha dmg point blank gun with 5m range, it was crap before, now its meh, every rifle outperfoms it greatly, the only benefit is the alpha dmg and the shock of the enemy when you shoot it, it still requires 2-3 shots to kill a common suit and 3-5 shots to kill a heavy depending on range
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
3242
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:31:00 -
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They nerfed the RoF.
Nerf the HMG and CR.
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
72
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:05:00 -
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if you're dying to shotgunners as a heavy with a hmg in direct, frontal combat... you're bad and have no right to complain about the shotgun being OP. This is coming from a guy who plays as a Minmatar Sentinal... |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
13240
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:10:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:
I agree that the shotgun was fine before and that the real problem is cloak + shotgun. But the cloak is here to stay and right now there is an imbalance.
I won't stop playing or cry that it's unfair, I'm just pointing out the imbalance and an easy, practical way to fix it.
What imbalance?
That a point blank range weapon is able to kill a heavy that it flanks? That's not an imbalance. If you mean that people are able to decloak and fire instantly, then yes, I'd agree.
But there is no problem with a shotgunner being able to kill a heavy. It's the shortest ranged weapon in the game, and it still doesn't outDPS the HMG.
If you lose to a scout in frontal 1v1 combat as a heavy it isn't the shotgun, it's you.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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noob cavman
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
1566
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:28:00 -
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Was easier to kill pre 1.8 with the shotgun. The cloak makes a meh weapon unbalanced. Please nerf the cloak not my already nerfed to the ground shotgun. Ta
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21yrOld Knight
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
909
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:28:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:Shotguns need to be nerfed, either the rate of fire or the damage.
Scouts should not be able to take heavies head-on (one on one) in CQC and win as much as they lose.
This is the only thing that still annoys me about the 1.8 patch.
#No
Shotguns are not the problem. Being able to get a shot off while still cloaked is op.
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Blerf Naster
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
28
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:29:00 -
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Heavies and Scouts are both different kinds of counters to Assaults and Logis. Against each other, one-on-one, it makes sense for them to come out even.
If a Scout is harassing you as a Heavy, all you need is one person of any other class to back you up to ensure the Scout loses. There's very little chance a Scout is going to have backup too. |
DEZKA DIABLO
THE FOOTCLAN
701
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:29:00 -
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My scout is 160/160 if you can't kill that head on then I'm sorry bro, but it's you, shotguns got changed from rof proficiency to shield damage, so a proto pro five sg does aprox 610 shield damage first shot and bout 550 armor, plus headshot bonus. Plus it now shoots slower than it used to, so if you got 1200 plus HP and I have 320 and your dying headon fights then you really should never get caught alone!
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noob cavman
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
1566
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:32:00 -
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Blerf Naster wrote:Heavies and Scouts are both different kinds of counters to Assaults and Logis. Against each other, one-on-one, it makes sense for them to come out even.
If a Scout is harassing you as a Heavy, all you need is one person of any other class to back you up to ensure the Scout loses. There's very little chance a Scout is going to have backup too.
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Blerf Naster
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
28
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:39:00 -
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That is all assuming you're playing Heavy right, of course. If you're waddling around alone instead of holding a base, your big dumb scan profile is gonna get shot. |
Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
891
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:40:00 -
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I haven't played in 1.8
But in 1.4-1.7 shotguns were underpowered.
Not by much but by enough to be noticeable.
So no
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1575
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:26:00 -
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#buffTHEshotgun
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
765
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:43:00 -
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So let me get this right.
You think that a weapon that takes 3-4 at ADV shots shouldn't be able to kill something that is very likely using a weapon that can kill me in 1/4th of a second?
All I can say it:
Situational awareness. Get some.
TDBS
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Guiltless D667
36
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:51:00 -
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Head on you say?
Just stop talking please
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:33:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:Shotguns need to be nerfed, either the rate of fire or the damage.
Scouts should not be able to take heavies head-on (one on one) in CQC and win as much as they lose.
This is the only thing that still annoys me about the 1.8 patch.
facepalm sht right here
IT IS THE CLOAKS FAULT
NOT THE SHOTGUN
THE CLOAK IS STUPID
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
1488
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:49:00 -
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Love that clip.
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:42:00 -
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Bullshit. It's balanced as it is. I should know, I'm a full proto heavy.
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JP Acuna
Pendejitos
Zero-Day
154
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Posted - 2014.05.15 02:27:00 -
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First nerf the CR then. The assault version is a HMG that anyone, scouts included, can wear.
The shotgun range is incredibly limited. As a heavy, i only die to it when they attack me from the back, which is fine. From the front i can see them even cloaked so it's not a problem. They can only kill you when you let them get close, which seems like a fair trade to me.
As i said once in other post, it's the only Gallente weapon that's actually good. Nerf it and you ruin us completely. It should be a beast in CQC, and despite of what you think, it's not as easy as spray and pray. |
Jace Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
56
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Posted - 2014.05.15 02:43:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*sighs*
Here we go again.
Okay.
How many shotguns did you see in use before 1.7? How many did you see in use after 1.8?
What major item was introduced in 1.8? Is there a way in which that can be used that drastically improves use of the shotgun?
Do you think that might have something to do with it?
There is no reason that a weapon with a 4m optimal should not be able to kill a heavy at point blank range. I agree that the shotgun was fine before and that the real problem is cloak + shotgun. But the cloak is here to stay and right now there is an imbalance. I won't stop playing or cry that it's unfair, I'm just pointing out the imbalance and an easy, practical way to fix it.
Easy and Practical isn't always the best.
You want the real solution to Shotgun Cloaks?
Make Decloak last for three seconds and be unable to switch weapons until it finishes. No "switching out" of cloak. Once cloak is active, you cannot switch anything until you turn it off. Which you must wait for 3 seconds.
You will see a lot less people Running up to you and decloaking point blank, I guarentee it.
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
3059
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Posted - 2014.05.15 03:04:00 -
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Stop it with this nonesense. The shotgun performs just like it did before and had no changes to it apart from the proficency which no longer gives rate of fire bonus. Good tanked heavys allready can take somewhere between 3~5 shots. That gun has the lowest range and if some 1 manages to get close then they should get the kill. |
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