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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
681
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Posted - 2014.05.14 12:55:00 -
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Before asking War Elephants for Legion, we must exclude the possibility of the use of cheats seen previously in DUST.
These simple cheats, available 4 every crook should not be able to destroy the reputation of the game.
It's not hard, just post them here. I will add them to the first post.
P.S. I never use cheats.
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List of restrictions that can be ignored by simple methods:
1. Recoil - may be canceled by mouse macros.
Simple solution: replace Recoil by random dispersion.
Advanced solution: make the start recoil randomly +\- 1.5 seconds
2. Frequent shooting Boundless combat rifle - is possible by a simple macro button (repeat when button pressed).
Solution: set mandatory delay between shots.
...sorry for bad English =)
>>> Legion rdy!
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
13234
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Posted - 2014.05.14 13:11:00 -
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I have a feeling rapid firing macros are going to be a thing.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
CCP Blowout for best dev
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
81
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:33:00 -
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John Psi wrote:Before asking War Elephants for Legion, we must exclude the possibility of the use of cheats seen previously in DUST.
These simple cheats, available 4 every crook should not be able to destroy the reputation of the game.
It's not hard, just post them here. I will add them to the first post.
P.S. I never use cheats.
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List of restrictions that can be ignored by simple methods:
1. Recoil - may be canceled by mouse macros.
Simple solution: replace Recoil by random dispersion.
Advanced solution: make the start recoil randomly +\- 1.5 seconds
2. Frequent shooting Boundless combat rifle - is possible by a simple macro button (repeat when button pressed).
Solution: set mandatory delay between shots.
Boundless ain't got nothing on Viziam for sheer abuse-ability.
MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK
It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart...
CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
533
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:07:00 -
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Yea, that viziam is like a shotgun
-Sincerely
--The Dual Swarm Commando
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
685
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:14:00 -
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I thought, Viziam strike good only in overheated.
Macrorapid usable too?
Explain please your observations.
...sorry for bad English =)
>>> Legion rdy!
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
13235
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:18:00 -
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Viziam may not be as obvious an abuse candidate as if you do that you'll overheat ridiculously quickly but using a rapid fire macro on an SCR would allow ludicrous levels of DPS.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
CCP Blowout for best dev
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
685
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:32:00 -
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Thanxx, i understoot.
I know about the process of fast heating by rapid fire.
Added in the first post.
...sorry for bad English =)
>>> Legion rdy!
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dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
691
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:42:00 -
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WallHack - i am not so sure how they doing that, i am not programmer or hacker, but i can guess its modification of game textures data.
Resolving this problem - resident program in RAM for watch over entire client datafrom any changing,
But cheaters can dont change game data on HDD, they can change it in RAM. Many ways.
But in most games this kind of anti-cheats - does not work well. Because its still possible to hack this resident programm or something in same way.
Cheaters on PC have full control over operation system where game client is running, full control over RAM and HDD. Its almost impossible to do real fine working anticheat system. Its need a lot endless efforts entire anti-cheat team - because cheaters will on one step forward from them. I doubt CCP have so much free people.
So you can resolve macroses problem, but other problems is impossible to resolve.
If game will classic client-server architecture - there will a lot of lags for people who had larger distance to this server.
If devs will use way like Dice in battlefield - where part of server functions delegated to client - its resolved most of lags, but cheaters will become real nasty, because there will have more thing to do and control. |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
692
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:06:00 -
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As example, in bf3 on PC a lot of cheaters, most of them are kids and use cheap cheats, its easy to detect, and their cheating is obvious for every one. People reported about them, and they got banned.
But bf3 have special anti-cheat system, entire team of programmers support it, and make new cheat detectable for this system. Same situation as with viruses and antvirus programs on PC.
But, even with that anti-cheat program - even stupid kid can use cheats, but not so long as they want.
But there exist other kind of cheaters, they paid enough money for personal cheat-programs. This kind of cheat programs is undetectable for years sometimes. And people who use this cheats is much more smarter than dumb kids cheaters.
They just set up their cheat-programs fine, and its impossible to recognize them. They seems like other top players. And their cheat is undetectable for auto-anti-cheat system. So even report about them wont help to ban them, because devs have no way to check this players.
I know guy who spent years to make his server defended from cheaters, even devs used his experience to improve their anti-cheat modules.
He even bought private cheats for testing how it work. And all his defence was useless against it. So he just kicked guys with good skill to make balance at least for average players like him.
In total he left PC as platform, because understood - his efforts is total useless on PC. So i met him on ps3, and he told me this story from his own experience. |
John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
687
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:00:00 -
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Nice post, ty.
In EVE, as far as I know, the developers faced with scammers who used tools to access the RAM, called "injectors".
The problem has been successfully resolved - scammers are banned.
According to the rules, if I'm not mistaken, are banned forever.
Unlike other games, where the loss of the game character does not mean anything, in this game, it is fatal.
I think we need not worry - behaving suspiciously inspected and punishment, that will reduce their efforts to zero.
Sorry for bad English =)
>>> Legion rdy! <<<
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2366
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Posted - 2014.05.14 20:55:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I have a feeling rapid firing macros are going to be a thing.
Simply have the weapon Jam if you try to fire it too fast for too long, or maybe if you just try to fire it too fast.
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dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
693
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:04:00 -
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John Psi wrote:
Unlike other games, where the loss of the game character does not mean anything, in this game, it is fatal.
In case with undetectable (by devs) cheats, and size of CCP team who work on shooter's part - here a big chance for years of succesfully cheating.
It not EVE, it is shooter. And free2play.
what will you do, when against your district will come band of aim bot users?
There will be only new characters with default gear, but you will do nothig against them, coz aim bot will kill you at sight.
Ok, they will get ban, probably, but you will lost much time, even if CCP will return this district to you.
And i think here is many ways, when new characters can made problems, because they are invincible because use cheats.
Even one character with aimbot can break corp battle. CCP will spent all the time to resolve all this problems by their hands, because auto anti-cheats system wont work effectively enough. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2367
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:06:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:John Psi wrote:
Unlike other games, where the loss of the game character does not mean anything, in this game, it is fatal.
In case with undetectable (by devs) cheats, and size of CCP team who work on shooter's part - here a big chance for years of succesfully cheating. It not EVE, it is shooter. And free2play. what will you do, when against your district will come band of aim bot users? There will be only new characters with default gear, but you will do nothig against them, coz aim bot will kill you at sight. Ok, they will get ban, probably, but you will lost much time, even if CCP will return this district to you. And i think here is many ways, when new characters can made problems, because they are invincible because use cheats. Even one character with aimbot can break corp battle. CCP will spent all the time to resolve all this problems by their hands, because auto anti-cheats system wont work effectively enough.
Server side authority. It will solve a lot of these issues.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
13258
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:17:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:
Server side authority. It will solve a lot of these issues.
It won't fix aimbots, though. Or wallhacks. There are a number of things that can be done client side.
EDIT: Mandatory delays between shots impose on those people playing legitimately with semi-automatic weapons, unfortunately.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2367
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:19:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Server side authority. It will solve a lot of these issues.
It won't fix aimbots, though. Or wallhacks. There are a number of things that can be done client side. EDIT: Mandatory delays between shots impose on those people playing legitimately with semi-automatic weapons, unfortunately.
And they will be. |
Leeroy Gannarsein
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:22:00 -
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John Psi wrote:I thought, Viziam strike good only in overheated.
Macrorapid usable too?
Explain please your observations.
Well, I can get about 475-500 RPM out of it with my finger. On the Amarr Assault suit that comes to about 22 shots, from memory. (One or both of these figures may be wrong).
It has a ceiling of 705 RPM.
MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK
It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart...
CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
701
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Posted - 2014.05.16 10:18:00 -
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Excuse me, do you mean 500 clicks per minute? This, if I'm not mistaken, more than 8 clicks per second?
Sorry for bad English =)
>>> Legion rdy! <<<
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Legio DXIV
1238
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Posted - 2014.05.16 11:44:00 -
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I tried the Viziam with a macro. the overheat means nothing when there are no enemies left alive...
Check corp tag.
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
701
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Posted - 2014.05.16 11:53:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:I tried the Viziam with a macro. the overheat means nothing when there are no enemies left alive...
You mean to say that all died before overheating started? 0-+
Sorry for bad English =)
>>> Legion rdy! <<<
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2014.05.16 12:36:00 -
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John Psi wrote:Thanxx, i understoot.
I know about the process of fast heating by rapid fire.
Added in the first post.
As Arkena said it's not as blatant, but I think cutting RoF to about 550 would sort it out totally; it wouldn't cut legitimate users (I mean really, no-one's finger is that fast) and would prevent the worst of the abuses.
MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK
It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart...
CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
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