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Baan Mee Ho wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Baan Mee Ho wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Now when I get killed in a tank by a remote jeep , they get the kill and the vehicle kill points as well but when I slam a tank into a jeep it says that the occupants were killed by suicide .

I don't understand this and it just seems unbalanced when they can kill a tanker but when a tanker kills a regular LAV , it doesn't register as a kill but as a suicide for them which robs the tanker of the kill and the vehicle points .

Now while playing FW and a friendly jeep slams into a friendly tank , the tanker is penalized for the incident and this just seem like a double standard and just not right , so I'm asking you CCP to look into this unbalance and fix it .

If a tank slams into a enemy LAV , they should get credit for the kill and the vehicle kill as well .

I don't understand why I have to bring this up and why I've never seen a post about this as well and if there was then , why hasn't this been addressed already ..??.. regardless of the state of the game , unbalanced mechanics are exactly that and shouldn't have a place in game .

Thank you for your time .

You are in a Tank... So i don't think they'll be interested..

I know but that shouldn't matter , I understand where your coming from because it's true .. if I was just a scout or just a drop ship pilot then it would be different .

What should matter is an imbalance in the games mechanics and anyone would mention the same for whatever role that they play .

Right is right and wrong is wrong and this is wrong , where you reward one for the same that you penalize the other for .

HAV users that do not get the kill or the vehicle kill ... are being robbed .

That's a fact not speculation .

Don't HAV pilots get more WP than Logis for randomly hitting each other ?! imaging if infantry would get WP for just hitting another Infantry... .

Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .


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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 05:33:00 - [1] - Quote Now when I get killed in a tank by a remote jeep , they get the kill and the vehicle kill points as well but when I slam a tank into a jeep it says that the occupants were killed by suicide . I don't understand this and it just seems unbalanced when they can kill a tanker but when a tanker kills a regular LAV , it doesn't register as a kill but as a suicide for them which robs the tanker of the kill and the vehicle points . Now while playing FW and a friendly jeep slams into a friendly tank , the tanker is penalized for the incident and this just seem like a double standard and just not right , so I'm asking you CCP to look into this unbalance and fix it . If a tank slams into a enemy LAV , they should get credit for the kill and the vehicle kill as well . I don't understand why I have to bring this up and why I've never seen a post about this as well and if there was then , why hasn't this been addressed already ..??.. regardless of the state of the game , unbalanced mechanics are exactly that and shouldn't have a place in game . Thank you for your time . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 05:46:00 - [2] - Quote I guess this isn't worthy of an admittance of imbalance by CCP so there will be no blue tag stating that they knew this was and is an issue and the fact that they will do something about it . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 05:46:00 - [3] - Quote Bump . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 13:00:00 - [4] - Quote Played in a game where I was in my own redline calling for a HAV and there was a enemy LAV driving around , so once my tank was dropped the LAV drove up to my HAV and I don't know if it had remotes on it or what because I died by a LAV type but I didn't see an explosion or anything but the blue that comes up when the HAV's were being sucked into the abyss around the storage depot . I was wondering what had happened and also , how was it that this LAV didn't blow up from time restrictions seeing as how it was just driving around my teams redline all the while my HAV was being delivered and still had the time to do what ever it did to cause me to die by the blue lagoon effect . The same person tried to hit me twice while my tank was being deployed so I just know that they didn't drive out and come back because they drove around the area about three times before my tank deployed . Sometimes I fly into the redline and after leaving the area , the clock still shows and it's moving . I believe that this should also get some attention as well because it's inconsistent , I'm aware of the time limitations but sometimes it doesn't seem to take effect like when seeing this same LAV driving around my redline area with no effect while not moving out and coming back in and others it seems to follow outside of the redline area . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 13:02:00 - [5] - Quote Bump because this should get some attention CCP . Bug fixes and imbalance issues should take front stage in-game and not anymore new content . A real infantry refund would also be nice as well , seeing as how we didn't get one for 1.8 . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 13:05:00 - [6] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: Came in here expecting goatse.... I am disappoint. I apologize for being boring and disappointing . No trees and no excitement for me , I'll go shopping in a min . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 13:09:00 - [7] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Now when I get killed in a tank by a remote jeep , they get the kill and the vehicle kill points as well but when I slam a tank into a jeep it says that the occupants were killed by suicide . I don't understand this and it just seems unbalanced when they can kill a tanker but when a tanker kills a regular LAV , it doesn't register as a kill but as a suicide for them which robs the tanker of the kill and the vehicle points . Now while playing FW and a friendly jeep slams into a friendly tank , the tanker is penalized for the incident and this just seem like a double standard and just not right , so I'm asking you CCP to look into this unbalance and fix it . If a tank slams into a enemy LAV , they should get credit for the kill and the vehicle kill as well . I don't understand why I have to bring this up and why I've never seen a post about this as well and if there was then , why hasn't this been addressed already ..??.. regardless of the state of the game , unbalanced mechanics are exactly that and shouldn't have a place in game . Thank you for your time . The only imbalance is that you don't get penalized for ramming friendly LAVs in pubs. You should get kicked from those as well minus one tank. Yeah right ... but what I'm saying is if they can count and take tract of that happening then why during a match , a tanker can not get the vehicle points and kill for slamming into a enemy LAV ??? It should be easy to code and it makes sense for balancing reasons . I get what your saying because it's part of the reason that I don't play FW but I have been playing Amarr lately and loosing every match ... but killing hacked tanks and getting booted for FF among other things . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 13:10:00 - [8] - Quote calisk galern wrote: you do get the kill if you blow up their vehicles but more times then not you hit their explosives strapped to the front of their vehicles which then explode killing the driver. if they run into you without explosives nothing happens it's not really the explosives causing the suicide though it's just them running into something causing them to die. in either case it doesn't seem to be broken imo. I mean a regular LAV with nothing strapped to it and I ram my HAV into it and I get no kill and no vehicle kill as well , that was my issue . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 13:14:00 - [9] - Quote I ram HAV's into unstrapped LAV's and kill the occupants and the kill feed says that they die by suicide and I don't get the kill or the vehicle kill as well , it has nothing to do with remote jeeps besides me using them as an example of how this mechanic is broken because they get their kills when I do the same ( besides dying by explosives ) and don't . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 13:19:00 - [10] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Now when I get killed in a tank by a remote jeep , they get the kill and the vehicle kill points as well but when I slam a tank into a jeep it says that the occupants were killed by suicide . I don't understand this and it just seems unbalanced when they can kill a tanker but when a tanker kills a regular LAV , it doesn't register as a kill but as a suicide for them which robs the tanker of the kill and the vehicle points . Now while playing FW and a friendly jeep slams into a friendly tank , the tanker is penalized for the incident and this just seem like a double standard and just not right , so I'm asking you CCP to look into this unbalance and fix it . If a tank slams into a enemy LAV , they should get credit for the kill and the vehicle kill as well . I don't understand why I have to bring this up and why I've never seen a post about this as well and if there was then , why hasn't this been addressed already ..??.. regardless of the state of the game , unbalanced mechanics are exactly that and shouldn't have a place in game . Thank you for your time . The only imbalance is that you don't get penalized for ramming friendly LAVs in pubs. You should get kicked from those as well minus one tank. I gave you a like until I actually looked at what was written and I have had this happen to me so I guess this is something else that's broken , I've been kicked for matters as such while you say it doesn't happen so that shows inconsistency with that as well . I have been penalized because spies or whatever they try to be .. who try to team kill ram their LAV's into my HAV's as well . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 13:24:00 - [11] - Quote Please don't bring any of that HAV bashing crap into this thread . This is a real issue of a mechanic that is imbalanced . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 14:56:00 - [12] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Stop bumping your own thread. No one's responding because you should have been able to figure out what happens by now. They are getting a suicide because They are jumping out of the LAV before it blows up, and getting killed by the LAV explosion. Its habit by many people to jump out of a dying vehicle, regardless of they have no chance at surviving afterwards. Now move along. You must be a surgeon or something because your schooling is showing and how you are a genius , if I jump out of a HAV ... like you mentioned , they will get the kill as well because I have done this . This thread just shows the bias nature of this community towards HAV users and the ignorance that comes out of some of these same people's mouths . Go ahead CCP and give this no attention , I mean why should you ... you don't balance your game and you favor some roles over others anyway so stick to your guns ... hell I mean , look at the hit detection problems while sniping . They didn't get out or else I would have said that because if you have eyes and this was you , YOU would have seen that just like I myself have and they were in the LAV when it exploded . Smart @$$ . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 14:59:00 - [13] - Quote Baan Mee Ho wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Now when I get killed in a tank by a remote jeep , they get the kill and the vehicle kill points as well but when I slam a tank into a jeep it says that the occupants were killed by suicide . I don't understand this and it just seems unbalanced when they can kill a tanker but when a tanker kills a regular LAV , it doesn't register as a kill but as a suicide for them which robs the tanker of the kill and the vehicle points . Now while playing FW and a friendly jeep slams into a friendly tank , the tanker is penalized for the incident and this just seem like a double standard and just not right , so I'm asking you CCP to look into this unbalance and fix it . If a tank slams into a enemy LAV , they should get credit for the kill and the vehicle kill as well . I don't understand why I have to bring this up and why I've never seen a post about this as well and if there was then , why hasn't this been addressed already ..??.. regardless of the state of the game , unbalanced mechanics are exactly that and shouldn't have a place in game . Thank you for your time . You are in a Tank... So i don't think they'll be interested.. I know but that shouldn't matter , I understand where your coming from because it's true .. if I was just a scout or just a drop ship pilot then it would be different . What should matter is an imbalance in the games mechanics and anyone would mention the same for whatever role that they play . Right is right and wrong is wrong and this is wrong , where you reward one for the same that you penalize the other for . HAV users that do not get the kill or the vehicle kill ... are being robbed . That's a fact not speculation . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 15:08:00 - [14] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Stop bumping your own thread. No one's responding because you should have been able to figure out what happens by now. They are getting a suicide because They are jumping out of the LAV before it blows up, and getting killed by the LAV explosion. Its habit by many people to jump out of a dying vehicle, regardless of they have no chance at surviving afterwards. Now move along. Bump . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 15:18:00 - [15] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: This thread personifies why this game sucks on so many levels. Why ..??.. because it's true and someone speaks out about it ??? Tankers just don't speak up about themselves like scouts or drop ship pilots do and that's a problem . This is a problem and should be corrected and not go undone because of community bias , I just seen a shotgun nerf thread and scouts jumped on that fast because they defend themselves . CCP answers those who do nothing but complain , I don't ... I point out problems and imbalance issues and that's all . If I noticed it for any other role I would do the same , if I'm flying or playing scout or heavy ... if I noticed something I would speak out about it and it's just not right that CCP kills roles because of the blatant bias of most in the community . They have been doing this for sometime and that's wrong , instead of being the mediator they just kill the role that's spoken about and the next hot fix is suppose to have a vehicle balance to it but I'm sure that they will over do it and make them somewhat useless when what they have done with the rail-gun range and the swarms have been a walk in the right direction . Tankers should get the kill for slamming their vehicle into a LAV just like the remote jeep users get the kill and vehicle points for killing a HAV even if the driver jumps out and they are in the blast radius , they still get the kill ... which shows imbalance . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 15:20:00 - [16] - Quote Baan Mee Ho wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Baan Mee Ho wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Now when I get killed in a tank by a remote jeep , they get the kill and the vehicle kill points as well but when I slam a tank into a jeep it says that the occupants were killed by suicide . I don't understand this and it just seems unbalanced when they can kill a tanker but when a tanker kills a regular LAV , it doesn't register as a kill but as a suicide for them which robs the tanker of the kill and the vehicle points . Now while playing FW and a friendly jeep slams into a friendly tank , the tanker is penalized for the incident and this just seem like a double standard and just not right , so I'm asking you CCP to look into this unbalance and fix it . If a tank slams into a enemy LAV , they should get credit for the kill and the vehicle kill as well . I don't understand why I have to bring this up and why I've never seen a post about this as well and if there was then , why hasn't this been addressed already ..??.. regardless of the state of the game , unbalanced mechanics are exactly that and shouldn't have a place in game . Thank you for your time . You are in a Tank... So i don't think they'll be interested.. I know but that shouldn't matter , I understand where your coming from because it's true .. if I was just a scout or just a drop ship pilot then it would be different . What should matter is an imbalance in the games mechanics and anyone would mention the same for whatever role that they play . Right is right and wrong is wrong and this is wrong , where you reward one for the same that you penalize the other for . HAV users that do not get the kill or the vehicle kill ... are being robbed . That's a fact not speculation . Don't HAV pilots get more WP than Logis for randomly hitting each other ?! imaging if infantry would get WP for just hitting another Infantry... . How do you people reason ??? How is this the same ??? I'm not responding to anyone's response that sounds like your or that idiot duran lex . It's a waste of time and I hope that CCP just looks into this because it's wrong . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 16:42:00 - [17] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Dying in your own vehicle or getting blown up by it counts as a suicide. When a tank rams into a non-Jihad jeep, or a jeep rams into a tank, the vehicle is destroyed by physics, not a weapon. When a Jihad rams into your tank, as the explosives are placed on the front the jeep and make contact with the tank, it counts as a kill with a weapon. Death is inevitable for both drivers. It's that simple... But I'm not dying by the LAV when it's ramming into the tank ... it can't be a suicide for those driving the LAV if I'm purposely ramming the LAV , why is it if I ram a drop ship into another I get credit for the kill if the pilot dies then and vise versa ??? That has happened as well and I have gotten credit for the pilots death and the vehicles destruction . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 16:56:00 - [18] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Also, again, this could just be shoddy coding and recognition, such as getting a kill with an assault rifle, yet the kill feed determines that it was a tank, sniper rifle, or etc. The endless possibilities of what could be going on... And this is understood as I have mentioned earlier in the thread but this is still imbalance where one mechanic is rewarded and the other is penalized or not even taken into account because of a technical issue . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 17:21:00 - [19] - Quote Seigfried Warheit wrote: They get they kill and vehicle damage cause technically it was their REs that did the damage not the lav itself..while when you do it it was not a WEAPON but collision damage..same thing as hitting a wall and blowing up the wall doesn't get WP. For the dropship part you mentioned down the line...I haven't ever gotten full wp for destroying a derpship or its pilot by ramming it. I would get a kill assist if I shot it first using a ADS or if my gunner shot the ship and I rammed it and it exploded. It isn't cause I rammed it I got the wp, I got the wp cause a WEAPON on my ship hurt the ship before it went down so it counted as me assisting in its destruction. Same in a tank you get assist when you shoot at it then ram. This isn't really such a big deal...don't know why you are flipping table over this... Wasn't aware that I was flipping tables . What is a road kill then if it's not the vehicle being used as a weapon . I have been road killed by a remote jeep before and the jeep didn't explode , just myself dying and the single remote exploding ... now can you explain that ..???.. why didn't the whole jeep explode and why didn't all the remotes go off and not just the one ??? I didn't know that was possible until it happened to me but it is and it did and shows imbalance and that's all I'm trying to point out but because it's about HAV's and not scouts or heavies or drop ships ( which are all roles that I am skilled into Caldari ) it isn't a problem and doesn't warrant attention and that's bias . That's bias and wrong . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 17:29:00 - [20] - Quote All I'm saying is balance is balance , a head shot is a head shot .. be it from a scrambler rifle , a sniper rifle or whatever weapon ... I can land my drop ship on some one ( which I love doing might I add ) and it's a road kill , just like using a LAV or running over someone with a HAV but to smash my HAV into a LAV and see suicide on the kill feed when they were trying to avoid me and not get the credit for the kill or the vehicle destruction ... is a problem because it's basically the same mechanic and that's all I'm saying . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 17:30:00 - [21] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: yeh this really really annoys me, to not get any points from destroying an LAV with 3 people in it. And that's what I'm saying . it's annoying and shouldn't happen because it's a road kill . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 17:33:00 - [22] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Also, again, this could just be shoddy coding and recognition, such as getting a kill with an assault rifle, yet the kill feed determines that it was a tank, sniper rifle, or etc. The endless possibilities of what could be going on... And this is understood as I have mentioned earlier in the thread but this is still imbalance where one mechanic is rewarded and the other is penalized or not even taken into account because of a technical issue . Until the technical issue is resolved, there is nothing anyone can do about. Thank you but I was just trying to bring this to light in CCP's eyes and that's all . I wasn't trying to favor HAV's or trash anyone but just trying to show that it should be a road kill because it's kills and points that go ungiven but other instances ... it's credited . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 21:42:00 - [23] - Quote Seigfried Warheit wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: 1) What is a road kill then if it's not the vehicle being used as a weapon . 2) I have been road killed by a remote jeep before and the jeep didn't explode , just myself dying and the single remote exploding ... now can you explain that ..???.. why didn't the whole jeep explode and why didn't all the remotes go off and not just the one ??? 1. Roadkill is when a vehicle hits infantry not when a vehicle hits another vehicle and makes the enemy vehicle kill its own passengers. The only reason jihad jeepers get points is cause the enemy lav didn't make your tank kill you..the REs explosion exploded your tank which killed you. That is how the game is programmed. 2.It takes 2-3 REs to destroy a lav..and why the driver didn't die is because the REs explode in whatever direction it is facing. The other REs didn't explode because whether intentional or not REs do not explode REs of different tiers even if the same person dropped them (Basic cant explode ADV,ADV cant explode Proto) or if there was two sets of REs one could have come from another player....friendly REs don't explode other friendly REs ...which is maybe the reason different tiered REs don't explode each other. Just my thoughts but I doubt CCP will do anything about this cause it would be tricky to have the game register that the player died cause of the lavs explosion caused by collusion caused by a enemy vehicle and reward wp in the process as well as making sure friendly vehicles don't get wp for destroying other vehicle by collusion also not breaking anything else in the game in the process. Since this doesn't appear to be a game breaking issue and the community isn't up in arms with torches and pitchforks they will most likely turn a blind eye to it. All great points and well understood . Thank you Seigfried . Your right . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 746	Posted - 2014.05.14 21:46:00 - [24] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: HAV users can get it all if they shoot the RE; so 3-6+ RE destruction; Vehicle damage x2, Vehicle Destruction, and Pilot+occupant kills. Oh I understood that but my issue was with purposefully ramming into LAV's and seeing suicide on the kill feed and not getting credit for the kill and the vehicle damage as well because it seemed like another instance of road kill . I just didn't understand why this occur but since Seigfried explained it along with others such as Temias it seems that I was wrong so I can live with that but it just seemed like road kill to me . Thank you for all of your positive input . It is and was well appreciated . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .