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Scheherazade VII
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
490
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Posted - 2014.05.12 21:46:00 -
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this game is a trainwreck, every game I play in is so laggy it feels like I'm walking in quicksand, you
have to play the game in slow motion because the frame rate is so bad.
and every single game is spammed FULL of heavies and scouts, as we all know.
if you're not fighting 5 heavies at once you've got half the enemy team running around cloaked shooting you in the back.
and what's so smart about smart deploy? every time I play Ambush almost all of my deaths are right after I spawned
because apparently "smart" means spawn you right in the middle of all the enemies.
this game is the pits, bury this turd.
I'm glad CCP finally pulled their heads out their asses and realised this game sucks, I'm glad they're starting again.
But here's the thing, different platform but same engine and same developers, will the game ever be good?
If Legion isn't perfectly balanced from day one I am NOT interested.
Permanent Beta Tester || MAG Vet, SVER Scrub For Life
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Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
790
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Posted - 2014.05.12 21:54:00 -
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Scheherazade VII wrote:
If Legion isn't perfectly balanced from day one I am NOT interested.
What game has been PERFECTLY balanced on day one? I can't think of any. And as a side note: is perfection even possible?
Anyway, looks like you won't be playing legion, thanks to unreasonably high standards.
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Scheherazade VII
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
490
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Posted - 2014.05.12 21:57:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Scheherazade VII wrote:
If Legion isn't perfectly balanced from day one I am NOT interested.
What game has been PERFECTLY balanced on day one? I can't think of any. And as a side note: is perfection even possible? Anyway, looks like you won't be playing legion, thanks to unreasonably high standards.
Legion is a product of another game which has been in development for a long time.
Legion won't come out for a while, they have more than enough time, how many years does it take
to bring out weapons and suits which aren't OP?
If they can't fix the stuff from DUST in Legion then there is no hope, do you want to beta test another product?
Or do you a game which works and doesn't completely suck.
Seriously when will the full release of Legion be? 2 years time?
So how long is that including DUST's development, 5 years?
Probably five years, so yeh I DO expect Legion's weapon and suit balance to be PEFECT.
If 2 years down the line we're still dealing with the same spammy ****..............
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Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
790
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:07:00 -
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There are games with 8-9 figure budgets, with years of development from top-notch industry professionals, and STILL are not PERFECTLY balanced.
Perfection is unattainable from inherently flawed and imperfect beings.
Why you expect perfection from a group of flawed people in a company with a less than stellar track record is beyond me.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
13166
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:09:00 -
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You will never believe balance to be perfect regardless of how good it actually is.
That's basic human psychology.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Scheherazade VII
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
491
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:10:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:There are games with 8-9 figure budgets, with years of development from top-notch industry professionals, and STILL are not PERFECTLY balanced.
Perfection is unattainable from inherently flawed and imperfect beings.
Why you expect perfection from a group of flawed people in a company with a less than stellar track record is beyond me.
don't get me wrong i do NOT expect it from them, this is me saying "i know you can't do this, i won't support you"
maybe they can prove me wrong.
you're acting as if weapon and suit balance is impossible, I'm not querying the definition of perfect
and challenging the saying "nobody's perfect" i'm saying that after so many years of developing TWO products (three if you count dust on the carbon engine) there is no excuse for imbalance and OPness.
Permanent Beta Tester || MAG Vet, SVER Scrub For Life
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Hakyou Brutor
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
588
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:12:00 -
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Scheherazade VII wrote:this game is a trainwreck, every game I play in is so laggy it feels like I'm walking in quicksand, you
have to play the game in slow motion because the frame rate is so bad.
and every single game is spammed FULL of heavies and scouts, as we all know.
if you're not fighting 5 heavies at once you've got half the enemy team running around cloaked shooting you in the back.
and what's so smart about smart deploy? every time I play Ambush almost all of my deaths are right after I spawned
because apparently "smart" means spawn you right in the middle of all the enemies.
this game is the pits, bury this turd.
I'm glad CCP finally pulled their heads out their asses and realised this game sucks, I'm glad they're starting again.
But here's the thing, different platform but same engine and same developers, will the game ever be good?
If Legion isn't perfectly balanced from day one I am NOT interested.
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Frame Halgorbor
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
12
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:21:00 -
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Omg get a job or a girlfriend, there is more to life, Dust was/is EPIC, I have played almost 2 years everyday and love it, proto stomped duna bashed or not, something to learn and refit, always a solution, stop complaining especially about a game the is noteven real yet, looking forward to Legion even after the heartache |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
790
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:21:00 -
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Scheherazade VII wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:There are games with 8-9 figure budgets, with years of development from top-notch industry professionals, and STILL are not PERFECTLY balanced.
Perfection is unattainable from inherently flawed and imperfect beings.
Why you expect perfection from a group of flawed people in a company with a less than stellar track record is beyond me.
don't get me wrong i do NOT expect it from them, this is me saying "i know you can't do this, i won't support you" maybe they can prove me wrong. you're acting as if weapon and suit balance is impossible, I'm not querying the definition of perfect and challenging the saying "nobody's perfect" i'm saying that after so many years of developing TWO products (three if you count dust on the carbon engine) there is no excuse for imbalance and OPness.
I am pretty sure incompetence is an excuse. This is CCP, after all. On a less cynical line of thought:
Murphy's Law.
We are dealing with flawed people and a rather complex bit of software with a multitude of constituent parts that all must work together.
There will be issues. There are always issues. The best I can hope for is decent balance devoid of blatant OP/UP entities. That, I believe, is all CCP could do, balance-wise. |
JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
146
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:23:00 -
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Lag, what lag ? The game runs perfect. I rather play this game than Broken Fail 4 and Camp Or Die aka cod.
If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2341
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:48:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Scheherazade VII wrote:
If Legion isn't perfectly balanced from day one I am NOT interested.
What game has been PERFECTLY balanced on day one? I can't think of any. And as a side note: is perfection even possible? Anyway, looks like you won't be playing legion, thanks to unreasonably high standards.
Those aren't high standards. That's called a strawman.
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Hairy Butter
Fairy Fleet
122
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:55:00 -
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Dust is awesome, except for a few problems, The main ones being framerate and matchmaking... And that they kinda stopped developing it 6 months ago.
Its still a pretty good lobby shooter but will never be more then a lobby shooter on ps3. |
Scheneighnay McBob
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
5058
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Posted - 2014.05.12 23:03:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Scheherazade VII wrote:
If Legion isn't perfectly balanced from day one I am NOT interested.
What game has been PERFECTLY balanced on day one? I can't think of any. And as a side note: is perfection even possible? Anyway, looks like you won't be playing legion, thanks to unreasonably high standards.
What game has ever been perfectly balanced?
However, if any game can, it's Legion. The logic behind this being that it's just a copy-paste of Dust's balance for the most part, and Dust's balance is pretty good. Will be even better with the final tweaks before legion.
Observe the amount of f*cks given
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Cai Mo
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
37
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Posted - 2014.05.12 23:18:00 -
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There should never be a perfect balance, an ever-changing slight unbalance keeps things more interesting imho.
forum explorer, dust prospector and eve illuminati
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2341
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Posted - 2014.05.12 23:19:00 -
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Cai Mo wrote:There should never be a perfect balance, an ever-changing slight unbalance keeps things more interesting imho.
Perfect balance is an impossibility anyway because balance is subjective. The goal should be to get close, and that is all.
Alternatively a good, but more demanding approach might be to forego balance altogether and just keep adding iterative designs like a Bolt Pistol V1, V2, V3 etc. This would be similar to how Magic The Gathering "balances" the diverse playfield of their cards. |
Scheneighnay McBob
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
5058
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Posted - 2014.05.12 23:21:00 -
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Cai Mo wrote:There should never be a perfect balance, an ever-changing slight unbalance keeps things more interesting imho.
We've learned from Dust that an ever-changing slight unbalance just causes a bunch of people to nag for a respec every time there's a change.
Observe the amount of f*cks given
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Cai Mo
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
37
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Posted - 2014.05.12 23:28:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Cai Mo wrote:There should never be a perfect balance, an ever-changing slight unbalance keeps things more interesting imho. We've learned from Dust that an ever-changing slight unbalance just causes a bunch of people to nag for a respec every time there's a change.
In general people just don't like change and will always whine.
The respec-nagging has ccp caused themselves imho by allowing it once a first time sadly.
forum explorer, dust prospector and eve illuminati
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.05.12 23:40:00 -
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the only thing that's dying are the brain cells of the people who are quitting dust
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2341
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Posted - 2014.05.12 23:44:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Cai Mo wrote:There should never be a perfect balance, an ever-changing slight unbalance keeps things more interesting imho. We've learned from Dust that an ever-changing slight unbalance just causes a bunch of people to nag for a respec every time there's a change.
People nag for a respec regardless.
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Leanna Boghin
B.O.D.A.S
145
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Posted - 2014.05.12 23:48:00 -
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Scheherazade VII wrote:this game is a trainwreck, every game I play in is so laggy it feels like I'm walking in quicksand, you
have to play the game in slow motion because the frame rate is so bad.
and every single game is spammed FULL of heavies and scouts, as we all know.
if you're not fighting 5 heavies at once you've got half the enemy team running around cloaked shooting you in the back.
and what's so smart about smart deploy? every time I play Ambush almost all of my deaths are right after I spawned
because apparently "smart" means spawn you right in the middle of all the enemies.
this game is the pits, bury this turd.
I'm glad CCP finally pulled their heads out their asses and realised this game sucks, I'm glad they're starting again.
You are over exaggerating for starters and maybe you should stop running your ps3 on wireless internet then you wont have so much lag. Btw if your expecting perfection then you are S*** out of luck.
I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
2412
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Posted - 2014.05.12 23:52:00 -
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Y so Srrs?
"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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Wu-master
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
67
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Posted - 2014.05.13 00:23:00 -
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Scheherazade VII wrote:this game is a trainwreck, every game I play in is so laggy it feels like I'm walking in quicksand, you
have to play the game in slow motion because the frame rate is so bad.
and every single game is spammed FULL of heavies and scouts, as we all know.
if you're not fighting 5 heavies at once you've got half the enemy team running around cloaked shooting you in the back.
and what's so smart about smart deploy? every time I play Ambush almost all of my deaths are right after I spawned
because apparently "smart" means spawn you right in the middle of all the enemies.
this game is the pits, bury this turd.
I'm glad CCP finally pulled their heads out their asses and realised this game sucks, I'm glad they're starting again.
But here's the thing, different platform but same engine and same developers, will the game ever be good?
If Legion isn't perfectly balanced from day one I am NOT interested.
dust514 is balanced and you know that but i don't expect you to understand that they make alot of change in this game .The lagging is a problem but don't compare dust514 with the others shooting game in the market because you wouldn't find nothing like dust514 . The squad system is perfect , the communication is so clear that you really feel the ground tactic inside the battlefield.You just complaining because you suck in the game .don't hate the game , hate the players is not CCP who send troop on the ground .I hope they stay with sony for the ps4 . The smart deployment only bring you near your team , maybe you did understand how this deployment work .Good players wait after they die . Stop being emotional , its ambush don't you get it .
thx you CCP and all the employees for the work they done in this game and keep doing you part to keep dust514 in the playstation 4.
What is a Stardust officers click on here?
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
153
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Posted - 2014.05.13 01:21:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Scheherazade VII wrote:
If Legion isn't perfectly balanced from day one I am NOT interested.
What game has been PERFECTLY balanced on day one? I can't think of any. And as a side note: is perfection even possible? Anyway, looks like you won't be playing legion, thanks to unreasonably high standards.
If Legion isn't perfectly balanced day one then why the hell did they change over to it? You won't sell me on anything less.
THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
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Onesimus Tarsus
703rd
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2004
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Posted - 2014.05.13 01:33:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Scheherazade VII wrote:
If Legion isn't perfectly balanced from day one I am NOT interested.
What game has been PERFECTLY balanced on day one? I can't think of any. And as a side note: is perfection even possible?
Yep. Battlefield 1943.
Battlefield 1943. Running since 2009. I'm diskinetic, BTW.
Birth, growth, decline, death.
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
962
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Posted - 2014.05.13 01:36:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Scheherazade VII wrote:
If Legion isn't perfectly balanced from day one I am NOT interested.
What game has been PERFECTLY balanced on day one? I can't think of any. And as a side note: is perfection even possible? Anyway, looks like you won't be playing legion, thanks to unreasonably high standards.
CHESS!
I win. |
Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
962
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Posted - 2014.05.13 01:42:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:Lag, what lag ? The game runs perfect. I rather play this game than Broken Fail 4 and Camp Or Die aka cod.
Hmm I get it.
We don't "camp" on objectives, we "defend" them.
There was never such horrible lag in PC and in pubs when they borked the voice comms to be considered breaking a game, it was just strategically mishandled coding.
Now I understand how Dust is sooo different from these AAA titles. Wording is everything! |
Patrick57
7490
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Posted - 2014.05.13 01:44:00 -
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Scheherazade VII wrote:personally im glad dust is dying
No, you aren't.
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