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Ansiiis The Trustworthy Legio DXIV 1226	Posted - 2014.05.11 21:02:00 - [1] - Quote Rethink your charge mechanics. Check corp tag.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13154	Posted - 2014.05.11 21:10:00 - [2] - Quote I don't see the problem with the magsec. As for the bolt pistol, it really doesn't need charge between each shot -and- fire delay added on. A mechanic I'd prefer to see is having the charge front-loaded with no fire delay. Essentially, the weapon passively charges itself up whether the trigger is held down or not. When the gauge reaches maximum, it can be fired once, then the gauge will zero out and it will fill up again for another 0.4 seconds, then it can be fired again. So whilst running around your bolt pistol is at full charge, then when you have an engagement... fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time, etc. As a precision weapon, I don't think the bolt pistol needs the handicap that the charge time gives it. I know the key to Logibro's heart Devposting in legion discussion is 10/10
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Legio DXIV 1226	Posted - 2014.05.11 22:45:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I don't see the problem with the magsec. As for the bolt pistol, it really doesn't need charge between each shot -and- fire delay added on. A mechanic I'd prefer to see is having the charge front-loaded with no fire delay. Essentially, the weapon passively charges itself up whether the trigger is held down or not. When the gauge reaches maximum, it can be fired once, then the gauge will zero out and it will fill up again for another 0.4 seconds, then it can be fired again. So whilst running around your bolt pistol is at full charge, then when you have an engagement... fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time, etc. As a precision weapon, I don't think the bolt pistol needs the handicap that the charge time gives it. I proposes this mechanism before the bold was even released and no one payed me any mind. As to magsec - it is just uncontrollable and is used as a pay n pray gun nowdays. Check corp tag.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 623	Posted - 2014.05.11 23:00:00 - [4] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I don't see the problem with the magsec. As for the bolt pistol, it really doesn't need charge between each shot -and- fire delay added on. A mechanic I'd prefer to see is having the charge front-loaded with no fire delay. Essentially, the weapon passively charges itself up whether the trigger is held down or not. When the gauge reaches maximum, it can be fired once, then the gauge will zero out and it will fill up again for another 0.4 seconds, then it can be fired again. So whilst running around your bolt pistol is at full charge, then when you have an engagement... fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time, etc. As a precision weapon, I don't think the bolt pistol needs the handicap that the charge time gives it. I proposes this mechanism before the bold was even released and no one payed me any mind. As to magsec - it is just uncontrollable and is used as a pay n pray gun nowdays. A pay and prey? Is that like evangelism in America then? "Pay unto the bucket child so that thy gods hear thee!"
Joseph Tasun Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 10	Posted - 2014.05.12 06:09:00 - [5] - Quote The Bolt Pistol needs it's charge to differentiate it from other pistols. Otherwise it either becomes OP or just a different colour of the pistol. You use it, you live with it. If you can't live with it, live with something else. It only becomes a problem if nobody else uses it. Which people do actually use it.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 3374	Posted - 2014.05.12 08:19:00 - [6] - Quote They need to fix the range problem first. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Jebus McKing Legio DXIV 448	Posted - 2014.05.12 08:31:00 - [7] - Quote I like the magsec. @JebusMcKing
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Legio DXIV 1229	Posted - 2014.05.12 12:02:00 - [8] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I don't see the problem with the magsec. As for the bolt pistol, it really doesn't need charge between each shot -and- fire delay added on. A mechanic I'd prefer to see is having the charge front-loaded with no fire delay. Essentially, the weapon passively charges itself up whether the trigger is held down or not. When the gauge reaches maximum, it can be fired once, then the gauge will zero out and it will fill up again for another 0.4 seconds, then it can be fired again. So whilst running around your bolt pistol is at full charge, then when you have an engagement... fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time, etc. As a precision weapon, I don't think the bolt pistol needs the handicap that the charge time gives it. I proposes this mechanism before the bold was even released and no one payed me any mind. As to magsec - it is just uncontrollable and is used as a pay n pray gun nowdays. A pay and prey? Is that like evangelism in America then? "Pay unto the bucket child so that thy gods hear thee!" Writing on a tablet. Check corp tag.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 424	Posted - 2014.05.12 13:21:00 - [9] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Rethink your charge mechanics. Triger makes the gun shoot not prepare to shoot. Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I don't see the problem with the magsec. As for the bolt pistol, it really doesn't need charge between each shot -and- fire delay added on. A mechanic I'd prefer to see is having the charge front-loaded with no fire delay. Essentially, the weapon passively charges itself up whether the trigger is held down or not. When the gauge reaches maximum, it can be fired once, then the gauge will zero out and it will fill up again for another 0.4 seconds, then it can be fired again. So whilst running around your bolt pistol is at full charge, then when you have an engagement... fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time, etc. As a precision weapon, I don't think the bolt pistol needs the handicap that the charge time gives it. Regarding the bolt pistol, it all depends on whether or not the gun is capable of holding the pre-fire charge indefinitely. Seems to me that the design of the bolt pistol dictates that it cannot hold the charge. The assault forge gun has a similar mechanic so it's not unheard of. I don't think you can say that there is a standard mechanic of all guns that means the projectiles fire immediately. There are physical mechanics involved. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1435	Posted - 2014.05.12 13:27:00 - [10] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Rethink your charge mechanics. Triger makes the gun shoot not prepare to shoot. Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I don't see the problem with the magsec. As for the bolt pistol, it really doesn't need charge between each shot -and- fire delay added on. A mechanic I'd prefer to see is having the charge front-loaded with no fire delay. Essentially, the weapon passively charges itself up whether the trigger is held down or not. When the gauge reaches maximum, it can be fired once, then the gauge will zero out and it will fill up again for another 0.4 seconds, then it can be fired again. So whilst running around your bolt pistol is at full charge, then when you have an engagement... fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time, etc. As a precision weapon, I don't think the bolt pistol needs the handicap that the charge time gives it. Regarding the bolt pistol, it all depends on whether or not the gun is capable of holding the pre-fire charge indefinitely. Seems to me that the design of the bolt pistol dictates that it cannot hold the charge. The assault forge gun has a similar mechanic so it's not unheard of. I don't think you can say that there is a standard mechanic of all guns that means the projectiles fire immediately. There are physical mechanics involved. You know it's bad when people start comparing AV weapons with high-precision pistols. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.

Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 996	Posted - 2014.05.12 14:39:00 - [11] - Quote Let me run this idea by you reference charging mechanics... I will preface this by letting you know that I use RR exclusively when not doing AV work and then I have my trusted SMG for self-defense. Ref. the MagSec in particular...I skilled into the MagSec and honestly...doesn't work for me. The SMG is my goto side arm due to ease of use, no charge time, nice ADS option, and deeper skill tree. When you are working inside SMG ranges you usually need the bullets RIGHT NOW!! and having the charge function has stung me on more than one occasion. That said, for a heavy it is a great sidearm option due to the range and striking power and perhaps as importantly - you have the eHP to overcome the charge time handicap at closer ranges. Ok... onto some mechanics feedback. I wonder if taking a "capacitor" approach to the RR and MagSec might be the way to go. Basically you pull the trigger and it fires instantly but you lose charge in the capacitor (very similar to EVE) and when the capacitor drains you have to wait a few seconds to recharge. Each level in the base weapon could lower your capacitor charge time or give you more capacitor reserves. Adding a skill that reduces recoil to the tree or cutting down some of the base weapon recoil would pair well with this. thoughts? "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 529	Posted - 2014.05.12 16:34:00 - [12] - Quote I happen to like both the magsec and the bolt. They are both quite great, and are quite good as sidearms. The magsec makes a great sidearm on an AV suit, and the bolt pistol is a great 1shot finisher. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 630	Posted - 2014.05.12 17:22:00 - [13] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I don't see the problem with the magsec. As for the bolt pistol, it really doesn't need charge between each shot -and- fire delay added on. A mechanic I'd prefer to see is having the charge front-loaded with no fire delay. Essentially, the weapon passively charges itself up whether the trigger is held down or not. When the gauge reaches maximum, it can be fired once, then the gauge will zero out and it will fill up again for another 0.4 seconds, then it can be fired again. So whilst running around your bolt pistol is at full charge, then when you have an engagement... fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time, etc. As a precision weapon, I don't think the bolt pistol needs the handicap that the charge time gives it. I proposes this mechanism before the bold was even released and no one payed me any mind. As to magsec - it is just uncontrollable and is used as a pay n pray gun nowdays. A pay and prey? Is that like evangelism in America then? "Pay unto the bucket child so that thy gods hear thee!" Writing on a tablet. I figured it was a mistype, I just found the notion of pay and prey quite comical. :)
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 425	Posted - 2014.05.12 19:17:00 - [14] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Rethink your charge mechanics. Triger makes the gun shoot not prepare to shoot. Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I don't see the problem with the magsec. As for the bolt pistol, it really doesn't need charge between each shot -and- fire delay added on. A mechanic I'd prefer to see is having the charge front-loaded with no fire delay. Essentially, the weapon passively charges itself up whether the trigger is held down or not. When the gauge reaches maximum, it can be fired once, then the gauge will zero out and it will fill up again for another 0.4 seconds, then it can be fired again. So whilst running around your bolt pistol is at full charge, then when you have an engagement... fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time --> fire --> 0.4 second charge time, etc. As a precision weapon, I don't think the bolt pistol needs the handicap that the charge time gives it. Regarding the bolt pistol, it all depends on whether or not the gun is capable of holding the pre-fire charge indefinitely. Seems to me that the design of the bolt pistol dictates that it cannot hold the charge. The assault forge gun has a similar mechanic so it's not unheard of. I don't think you can say that there is a standard mechanic of all guns that means the projectiles fire immediately. There are physical mechanics involved. You know it's bad when people start comparing AV weapons with high-precision pistols. They're both guns dude, they both have firing mechanics, which is what I was comparing. I don't see how what I'm aiming at or what the gun's primary design is has to do with it. Instead of a one-line rebuttal, perhaps you could enlighten me (and possibly others)? Maybe I would learn something ;-) You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz


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