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843 Epidemic
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.09 13:17:00 -
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AE, or DNS? Which to side with...
If AE wins, they will be once again back in their seat of power, of which they have sat in for far too long. Nyain San will then jump ship to AE and what we had before DNS will be once more.
If DNS wins, we will have EoN 2.0. An alliance that seemingly 'cares' for the community, and allows players to fight but only under the conditions DNS allows...
Fight against them both? A bad idea, likely they will just unite against the third party as a common enemy.
This is a hard one.
So who is teaming up with AE, anyhow?
When Dust is ashes, then you will have my permission to Dance.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3848
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Posted - 2014.05.09 13:58:00 -
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Just an FYI, Molon has already been warned that we will be blackballed out of the community if we stand with AE. Just like we always do, we side with the lesser of two evils. We've never jumped on a bandwagon and we never will. We've suffered by taking this stance.
To me AE has always been kind of like OH. They just want to fight and sometimes decisions to do so have hurt them diplomatically. But with Kane there is always some ulterior motive. In my opinion AE won't be around in the same fashion regardless of the outcome. So by opposing DNS and Kane you are going to be blackballed by him.
Molon doesn't get much respect from the PC crowd, but we've always been on the side of the oppressed and we are still here kicking. Still one of the most active corps in the game. Just wanted to mention that, you don't have to suck on the teet of DNS to keep afloat in Dust.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
1791
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:37:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Just an FYI, Molon has already been warned that we will be blackballed out of the community if we stand with AE. Just like we always do, we side with the lesser of two evils. We've never jumped on a bandwagon and we never will. We've suffered by taking this stance.
To me AE has always been kind of like OH. They just want to fight and sometimes decisions to do so have hurt them diplomatically. But with Kane there is always some ulterior motive. In my opinion AE won't be around in the same fashion regardless of the outcome. So by opposing DNS and Kane you are going to be blackballed by him.
Molon doesn't get much respect from the PC crowd, but we've always been on the side of the oppressed and we are still here kicking. Still one of the most active corps in the game. Just wanted to mention that, you don't have to suck on the teet of DNS to keep afloat in Dust.
This is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. ML not bandwagoning? I call BS on that.
I guess bandwagoning doesn't imply you joined up with PD when Eon was in power and PD was paying them off (may have joined during the fall of Eon, somewhere between those areas). Then you buddied up with RA while still in PD, paying them off not to attack, and I know PD did this. I would say joining with FA during the Tsos war is bandwagoning, but you really had no other choice.
Most of what you said is crap, but I can at least agree with you on the Kain part.
Why do we dusties refuse to die?!! Seriously, I want to know!!
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:39:00 -
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Damnit, the war we've been waiting for happens and I'm going out of town for the weekend per Mother's Day.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3848
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:40:00 -
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At what point was PD on top? I missed that part. At the time it was the only alliance outside of RA participating in PC.
Making moves to better our position is not bandwagoning. There's a huge difference. We have ALWAYS been on the side against the super power.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3848
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:42:00 -
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And we joined PD within a week of AE turning their backs on PD.
In fact AE attacked our districts within a few days of joining PD
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
1791
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:44:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:At what point was PD on top? I missed that part. At the time it was the only alliance outside of RA participating in PC.
Just because you weren't in Eon or Ra doesn't mean that paying them off wasn't bandwagoning. And participating in PC? participating would imply you fought or did something, which blueing up with the big boys is hardly doing something. Granted, during the Prof. V wars, you were doing something, but afterwards, it was payment of the big dog as usual.
Why do we dusties refuse to die?!! Seriously, I want to know!!
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3848
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:46:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:At what point was PD on top? I missed that part. At the time it was the only alliance outside of RA participating in PC. Just because you weren't in Eon or Ra doesn't mean that paying them off wasn't bandwagoning. And participating in PC? participating would imply you fought or did something, which blueing up with the big boys is hardly doing something. Granted, during the Prof. V wars, you were doing something, but afterwards, it was payment of the big dog as usual.
We have NEVER paid anyone off to not attack us.
NEVER
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
1791
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:56:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:At what point was PD on top? I missed that part. At the time it was the only alliance outside of RA participating in PC. Just because you weren't in Eon or Ra doesn't mean that paying them off wasn't bandwagoning. And participating in PC? participating would imply you fought or did something, which blueing up with the big boys is hardly doing something. Granted, during the Prof. V wars, you were doing something, but afterwards, it was payment of the big dog as usual. We have NEVER paid anyone off to not attack us. NEVER
right.............
Why do we dusties refuse to die?!! Seriously, I want to know!!
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
2724
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:56:00 -
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to my knowledge ML never paid off anyone not to attack them, far easier to lock Derrith.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3848
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:59:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:to my knowledge ML never paid off anyone not to attack them, far easier to lock Derrith.
That's true, and that's the stance we took. But what is the difference really? From our view the corps that paid people off ended up paying far more in the end when those arrangements fell through. And I think that's why we have fewer allies, because people didn't get ISK from us.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
1791
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:00:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:to my knowledge ML never paid off anyone not to attack them, far easier to lock Derrith.
So it was just STB? And ML stood in there and reaped the benefits of what STB was paying for? Someone help me see the difference, please, cause I sure as heck don't.
Why do we dusties refuse to die?!! Seriously, I want to know!!
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3848
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:02:00 -
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We locked and we've never hidden that fact, but there are a lot of bad info out there in regards to us. We fought to the bitter end multiple times. Lots of the guys that talk all the smack about us were still in scrubby little 10 man corps trying to figure out why shotgun heavy wasn't working out for them when we were fighting it out in MH.
Level 3 Forum Warrior
PSN: wbrom42
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3848
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:03:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:to my knowledge ML never paid off anyone not to attack them, far easier to lock Derrith. So it was just STB? And ML stood in there and reaped the benefits of what STB was paying for? Someone help me see the difference, please, cause I sure as heck don't.
We weren't allied with STB back then. Search the forums. I talked MAD **** to STB about TP and AE being in all of STB's fights.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:09:00 -
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cmon men, don't act like bitches.
Derrith you were in PX1 at the time supporting the biggest ***** of all time that wouldn't play his best 16 unless it was scrubs until people stopped accepting his isk.
And ML is no pretty girl anymore cause she locked up all her districts unless she felt safe from the big boys and yet cursed AE for being so strong and went off the deep end in anger when the big boys stopped fighting against each other and they turned on stb/ml for funsies in between real war.
Both of you are my friends so realize no one is perfect.
But tags are family so both of you should have natural reactions to wanna **** on rivals.
The important thing thought is be cognizant that until you sit down with mike or hawkin or i or kujo you know nothing.
i made some humble pie, let's all take a bite together alright?
<3
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superjoe360x
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
289
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:21:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:cmon men, don't act like bitches.
Derrith you were in PX1 at the time supporting the biggest ***** of all time that wouldn't play his best 16 unless it was scrubs until people stopped accepting his isk.
And ML is no pretty girl anymore cause she locked up all her districts unless she felt safe from the big boys and yet cursed AE for being so strong and went off the deep end in anger when the big boys stopped fighting against each other and they turned on stb/ml for funsies in between real war.
Both of you are my friends so realize no one is perfect.
But tags are family so both of you should have natural reactions to wanna **** on rivals.
The important thing thought is be cognizant that until you sit down with mike or hawkin or i or kujo you know nothing.
i made some humble pie, let's all take a bite together alright?
<3
That is some damn good pie. You can come to my house and cook anytime.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3848
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:22:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:cmon men, don't act like bitches.
Derrith you were in PX1 at the time supporting the biggest ***** of all time that wouldn't play his best 16 unless it was scrubs until people stopped accepting his isk.
And ML is no pretty girl anymore cause she locked up all her districts unless she felt safe from the big boys and yet cursed AE for being so strong and went off the deep end in anger when the big boys stopped fighting against each other and they turned on stb/ml for funsies in between real war.
Both of you are my friends so realize no one is perfect.
But tags are family so both of you should have natural reactions to wanna **** on rivals.
The important thing thought is be cognizant that until you sit down with mike or hawkin or i or kujo you know nothing.
i made some humble pie, let's all take a bite together alright?
<3
Well said, but we are already well versed at eating humble pie. My point in this thread is that we have always been on this side, knowing full well that it doesn't help us out with the big boys. If someone tells me that I'll be blackballed unless I cave in to a big brother situation then I'll choose going down with the ship everytime.
Molon's name gets **** on quite a bit. It wasn't about our districts being safe. It was that we didn't have any allies and the only people still participating in PC weren't fans of Molon and we would have been evicted quickly. It was always our hope that the mechanics would change and it would generate more participation from the community. When we joined PD and later GTA the locking was tactical and we were asked to continue due to the overwhelming district advantage of RA. The problem we faced with the length of time we locked is that we lost any edge that we once had and it's been difficult to get back in the swing of things.
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bunnywink
716
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:24:00 -
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It really depends on what you want in the long-term for you and your corp.
Siding with DNS, you will have to abide to Kane's rule forever and ever.
Siding with AE, you can do whatever the **** you want.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3848
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:27:00 -
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bunnywink wrote:It really depends on what you want in the long-term for you and your corp.
Siding with DNS, you will have to abide to Daddy Kane's rule forever and ever.
Siding with AE, you can do whatever the **** you want.
Full well knowing that at any point AE could turn on you. But I'm okay with that. I'd personally rather deal with a bad guy that I'm not sure what they are going to do than one that wants to control my every move.
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bunnywink
716
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:45:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:bunnywink wrote:It really depends on what you want in the long-term for you and your corp.
Siding with DNS, you will have to abide to Daddy Kane's rule forever and ever.
Siding with AE, you can do whatever the **** you want. Full well knowing that at any point AE could turn on you. But I'm okay with that. I'd personally rather deal with a bad guy that I'm not sure what they are going to do than one that wants to control my every move.
AE is pretty transparent with their intentions. I don't know when AE has ever turned on alliance mates or left them behind (correct me if I'm wrong - as I only joined shortly before the O.H war). We've always taken care of each other, even when we were asked to move to the DNS alliance, NOBODY was left behind.
I haven't really been in the loop, but I hope the corps that have stuck with AE in the past will continue to do so.
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Killar-12
OLDSPICE.
Top Men.
2760
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:48:00 -
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843 Epidemic wrote:AE, or DNS? Which to side with...
If AE wins, they will be once again back in their seat of power, of which they have sat in for far too long. Nyain San will then jump ship to AE and what we had before DNS will be once more.
If DNS wins, we will have EoN 2.0. An alliance that seemingly 'cares' for the community, and allows players to fight but only under the conditions DNS allows...
Fight against them both? A bad idea, likely they will just unite against the third party as a common enemy.
This is a hard one.
So who is teaming up with AE, anyhow?
EoN>The Idiots wanting 100% So How can I help DNS?
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
1792
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:49:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:cmon men, don't act like bitches.
Derrith you were in PX1 at the time supporting the biggest ***** of all time that wouldn't play his best 16 unless it was scrubs until people stopped accepting his isk.
And ML is no pretty girl anymore cause she locked up all her districts unless she felt safe from the big boys and yet cursed AE for being so strong and went off the deep end in anger when the big boys stopped fighting against each other and they turned on stb/ml for funsies in between real war.
Both of you are my friends so realize no one is perfect.
But tags are family so both of you should have natural reactions to wanna **** on rivals.
The important thing thought is be cognizant that until you sit down with mike or hawkin or i or kujo you know nothing.
i made some humble pie, let's all take a bite together alright?
<3
I prefer to think of it as "successfully ticked off nearly every major power since Eon" But yeah, pass me a slice. I also brought chili cheese fries and nachos.
Why do we dusties refuse to die?!! Seriously, I want to know!!
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3848
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:50:00 -
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bunnywink wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:bunnywink wrote:It really depends on what you want in the long-term for you and your corp.
Siding with DNS, you will have to abide to Daddy Kane's rule forever and ever.
Siding with AE, you can do whatever the **** you want. Full well knowing that at any point AE could turn on you. But I'm okay with that. I'd personally rather deal with a bad guy that I'm not sure what they are going to do than one that wants to control my every move. AE is pretty transparent with their intentions. I don't know when AE has ever turned on alliance mates or left them behind (correct me if I'm wrong - as I only joined shortly before the O.H war). We've always taken care of each other, even when we were asked to move to the DNS alliance, NOBODY was left behind. I haven't really been in the loop, but I hope the corps that have stuck with AE in the past will continue to do so.
Well I don't know about within the alliance, but they have turned on people they were in business with or blue with in the past. I think it's a similar situation that Kane found when dealing with AE. It seems like there are just a lot of guys who don't get into the meta and just want to fight.
I don't have any inside knowledge of AE, it's just my personal perception.
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles.
889
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:41:00 -
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If anyone really believes that AE and company want 100% of Molden Heath you are sadly mistaken. Kane wanted us to be the bad guys when PFC broke down, so we accepted the job since most everyone hated us already. Pretty sure one of the leaders may have some backroom chat in regards to that. What you read on the forums at the time was just meta. With that being said, we have been wanting to give away district to corps that could actually hold them for weeks now, even before Fanfest. We knew we didn't have the guys on to hold it all and to be honest, most had already quit. We have a bigger player base in League of Legends(I still don't know what this game is) than we do in Dust. As far as Kane kicking us from DNS we have tried to leave all week. I have been spamming Kujo on my cell with, "how can we leave DNS"..."c'mon bro, we need the **** out" all week long. He FINALLY answers the call from Doc I think yesterday afternoon.
We were basically just going to back away, close down AE, remaining members would stay together, play in PC for people that paid us or join other corps. That was and STILL is the plan. But, we are not going to hand over our districts to Kane and DNS without fighting for them. Kane/DNS want all of Dust to fall under one umbrella (ERA/DNS) so they can stroke themselves while licking each others nipples on a giant bed of ISK. Believe what you want, Kane does not work for the community (see FanFest fiasco) and he uses his titles as CPM to gain an advantage over the other players(the proof will be provided too CCP soon).
You don't have to fight with us, you can join the fight with Kane and listen to him drivel on about how everyone is going to be rich and you'll have PFC to train your little hearts out. Just beware.
Anyone want Mexican today? I'm hungry!
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles.
889
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:42:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:843 Epidemic wrote:AE, or DNS? Which to side with...
If AE wins, they will be once again back in their seat of power, of which they have sat in for far too long. Nyain San will then jump ship to AE and what we had before DNS will be once more.
If DNS wins, we will have EoN 2.0. An alliance that seemingly 'cares' for the community, and allows players to fight but only under the conditions DNS allows...
Fight against them both? A bad idea, likely they will just unite against the third party as a common enemy.
This is a hard one.
So who is teaming up with AE, anyhow? EoN>The Idiots wanting 100% So How can I help DNS?
You would do anything you could to be accepted by Kane and his cronies. Good luck over there. See you on one of the early timers.
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles.
696
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Posted - 2014.05.09 19:14:00 -
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843 dude
AE is giving out their districts and retiring, we can't "take control" if we are retiring fyi lol |
PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
306
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Posted - 2014.05.09 19:16:00 -
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:843 dude
AE is giving out their districts and retiring, we can't "take control" if we are retiring fyi lol
Does that mean you're also giving up your land?
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles.
895
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Posted - 2014.05.09 19:17:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:843 dude
AE is giving out their districts and retiring, we can't "take control" if we are retiring fyi lol Does that mean you're also giving up your land?
After the lands have been defended, yes. Corps that want in, can get them.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
2728
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Posted - 2014.05.09 19:29:00 -
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i'm fapping to these nerds raging.
CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles.
898
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:11:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:i'm fapping to these nerds raging.
cam by chance/.
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