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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:22:00 -
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Though I am not in rage or grief about what took place at Fanfest, I guess I can imagine how many of us must feel. Some feel: ...All this time we were being lab-researched on the cheap, to build the core of a game in an expendable platform environement, so that that core can be taken to the profitable platform when the devs have got it stable and ready to turn a real profit...
Others might feel: ...The attitude of the new French team members at the Fanfest displayed a kind of walk-into-the-room attitude that, GÇÿconsole was always a froo-froo all-wrong idea...we should have known we couldnGÇÖt teach chimpanzees to read books and go to college... let the console primates go back into the tree limbs where they belong, and we will achieve our true goals in the cerebral, graphics-driven PC platform, where we EVE devs always belongedGÇÖ...
Hopefully, BOTH conclusions are prejudicially wrong.
But I think something else is wrong too: Too many of us who claimed to love Dust 514 (a CONSOLE creation with a definite console personality), are only crying to retain their goodies and SP as they willingly transfer to a PC GÇ£LegionGÇ¥ game.
If we grumble loudly, but still follow the shepherd with his stick over to where he wants us to go, then we are SHEEP.
If you actually like Dust 514 (as I do), then you ought to be strongly requesting that its life and development MUST be continued, including some stronger more stable links with EVE Online, regardless of what new PC off-shoot game they may have GÇ£prototypedGÇ¥.
IGÇÖve seen this forum PETITITION some of the most under-valued aspects of Dust 514, and have surprising success. ShouldnGÇÖt we be petitioning to keep Dust 514 from being shelved like a blow-up sex doll?
If CCP GÇ£valuesGÇ¥ player feedback, and GÇ£thanks us for making their success possibleGÇ¥, and the Dust forum insists on completion of the current development instead of re-doing it with 3d trees and mushroom clouds in a froo-froo drama-artistGÇÖs PC painting,... the test will be on CCPGÇÖs GÇ£valueGÇ¥ of their players.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:25:00 -
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Quote:IGÇÖve seen this forum PETITITION some of the most under-valued aspects of Dust 514, and have surprising success. ShouldnGÇÖt we be petitioning to keep Dust 514 from being shelved like a blow-up sex doll? When?
CCP Rouge (Crowd Control Productions - 'Neo' EVE: Legion) DUST 514
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:25:00 -
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CCP has stated numerous times now that they want to move Legion to consoles as well, just that the PC is where they have to focus for now while they develop it.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2833
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:34:00 -
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Which will never happen. Creating a cross platform FPS PC/Console is not doable. That's it. Console players are forced to play fair (which is good), PC players are not. A ps4 port is just useless.
So, all for console (not talking about ps4 only) or only PC. The "will probably port it to ps4" is just a damage control attemp.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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DTOracle
BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
307
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:35:00 -
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I would love to agree with you. But CCP have proven that 'they' are unable to bring their vision of Dust514 to the PS3. Whether or not they can on PC remains to be seen. But they can't blame the platform this time around if they fail again. |
Disturbingly Bored
Forum Warfare
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:43:00 -
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CELESTA AUNGM wrote:If you actually like Dust 514 (as I do), then you ought to be strongly requesting that its life and development MUST be continued, including some stronger more stable links with EVE Online, regardless of what new PC off-shoot game they may have GÇ£prototypedGÇ¥.
The writing is on the wall, mate. That isn't really going to happen.
If CCP has any sense of follow-through, we'll be good for one last content patch before DUST goes into a long state of development torpor.
However, if CCP follows its usual track record, all resources except for some bug hunting have been devoted to the new project, and DUST is going to sit mostly ignored... except for weekly AUR specials and a token monthly event.
My crystal ball says DUST will be dust before year end. Yeah, the lights will still be on. But one one's gonna be home.
I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord CCP Logibro]
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
1371
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:48:00 -
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CELESTA AUNGM wrote:Though I am not in rage or grief about what took place at Fanfest, I guess I can imagine how many of us must feel. Some feel: ...All this time we were being lab-researched on the cheap, to build the core of a game in an expendable platform environement, so that that core can be taken to the profitable platform when the devs have got it stable and ready to turn a real profit...
yes... so what's your point?
There's an old saying, "dont look a gift horse in the mouth". Translated for newbies, that means, "quit griping if you're getting something for free".
If you actually put money into it.. you're a sucker. only suckers put money into "free to play" games, and then complain about the results.
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:54:00 -
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CELESTIA.. may I call you CELEST? The game will no longer garner any new player no matter what CCP does. And much of what can be done with the ps3 is limited. Tho not so limited as to what the eve slap jokeys have you believe.
Aye. In a awesome world we would be able to have a direct affect to eve online. other then a passive one. And be able to keep all our stuff from dust. But you see for CCP its FAIL plus FAIL. By opting to transfer SP and other things they have just admitted that they don't think legion will hold on it's own merit. Which I think many here secretly think so.
Legion/dust is not moving to PC cause of limitations. That's maybe one of the reasons. But cause they failed on the fps front. A sobering thought that many should let sink in. Legion will be taken care of by eve players and that is why it's going there.
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
763
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:38:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Quote:IGÇÖve seen this forum PETITITION some of the most under-valued aspects of Dust 514, and have surprising success. ShouldnGÇÖt we be petitioning to keep Dust 514 from being shelved like a blow-up sex doll? When?
My respec petition got them to ban respec threads. I know that much.
Sign if you refuse to give up on the PS3 Dust
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:43:00 -
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Not gonna happen because "PS3 is hard" and instead of nutting up and actually focusing on the PS3 after making something broken like Platinum did with Vanquish after the PS3 Bayonetta was all ****** up they ran off to the PC which lets you take more shortcuts and be a little sloppier |
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VonSpliff
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
153
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:52:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Which will never happen. Creating a cross platform FPS PC/Console is not doable. That's it. Console players are forced to play fair (which is good), PC players are not. A ps4 port is just useless.
So, all for console (not talking about ps4 only) or only PC. The "will probably port it to ps4" is just a damage control attemp.
Final Fantasy: Relem Reborn crosses 3 platforms, and it's 2014. So that statement is wrong. Please find a new way to be a hater please. As for the cheating there will be ways to know who and what means was used, resulting in account banning. Just like every pay to play MMO out there. Stop acting like this is the first ever game created. If you hate CCP and want to quit, take these steps; 1. Donate all your isk to VonSpliff, include your account name and password 2. Stop logging into the forums 3. Buy a ps4 and the newest copy of CoD 4. Prestige said game 50 times 5. Rreliese that lobby shooters suck 6. Install legion, ask for account back
"It never got weird enough for me." Dr. T
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Lucrezia LeGrand
Sentinels of New Eden
588
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:53:00 -
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This puts a player in a precarious situation. Do they buy Aurum and psn packs to support the game, and hopefully extend the longevity of Dust?
Or do they save their money, because they don't see a reason to continue in Dust outside of having a bunch of fun games in a f2p game. What would you do? Can you rationalize spending cash when you know all of the promised features are going to Legion and all you're getting is balance?
It's something I've been asking myself lately, because it's like a giant feedback loop. CCP cares about Legion more than Dust- so the players say Dust is dead- players stop spending money- Dust profits continue to shrink- CCP cares about Legion even more than Dust etc. etc.
Thale groupie (not the gun, but the man).
My other car is Utena.
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DTOracle
BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
310
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:42:00 -
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Lucrezia LeGrand wrote:This puts a player in a precarious situation. Do they buy Aurum and psn packs to support the game, and hopefully extend the longevity of Dust?
Or do they save their money, because they don't see a reason to continue in Dust outside of having a bunch of fun games in a f2p game. What would you do? Can you rationalize spending cash when you know all of the promised features are going to Legion and all you're getting is balance?
It's something I've been asking myself lately, because it's like a giant feedback loop. CCP cares about Legion more than Dust- so the players say Dust is dead- players stop spending money- Dust profits continue to shrink- CCP cares about Legion even more than Dust etc. etc. CCP have been collecting $$$ from Dust players for months at this point, to fund Legions development. I will support Legion when/if it's released. Until then, play Dust for free & let Eve players pay their salaries. There is nothing that can convince me to spend another penny on Dust.
If CCP supports the game, I'll support CCP. If CCP wants to make another game, then i'll just wait for them to finish. I took their word for it with Dust, & I am disappointed. Legion will have to prove it's worth it, before CCP gets another cent out of me.
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deezy dabest
Warpoint Sharx
510
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Posted - 2014.05.08 20:04:00 -
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I really do not want to see Dust leave console as I have never gamed on PC and do not like the idea of it. I play on console be cause I want to kick back in my recliner and play. Even with my distaste for the idea of PC gaming I am willing to try out Legion.
The console players like myself that are willing to accept its move were mostly still in Dust not because of the game it is, but the game it is suppose to be and if jumping platforms with it is what it takes to see the vision realized then so be it.
My only qualms are with CCP as a company, or I should say the impression they have given themselves through this ordeal. A transfer would be the first step in making sure we are not totally screwed by the moves that have been made. Wanting a transfer has nothing to do with welcoming the game to leave but being able to follow the ultimate vision of the game without being totally screwed over in the process.
Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
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Ender Storm
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
79
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Posted - 2014.05.08 20:13:00 -
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They already said that, IF Legion is released, WHEN its ready, players will most likely have the option to transfer to a equivalent position on the new system.
The thing is, its so soon to talk about it and Dust still has a good 2-3 years in it before we even see a solid beta out of the garage. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2843
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:10:00 -
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VonSpliff wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Which will never happen. Creating a cross platform FPS PC/Console is not doable. That's it. Console players are forced to play fair (which is good), PC players are not. A ps4 port is just useless.
So, all for console (not talking about ps4 only) or only PC. The "will probably port it to ps4" is just a damage control attemp. Final Fantasy: Relem Reborn crosses 3 platforms, and it's 2014. So that statement is wrong. Please find a new way to be a hater please. As for the cheating there will be ways to know who and what means was used, resulting in account banning. Just like every pay to play MMO out there. Stop acting like this is the first ever game created. If you hate CCP and want to quit, take these steps; 1. Donate all your isk to VonSpliff, include your account name and password 2. Stop logging into the forums 3. Buy a ps4 and the newest copy of CoD 4. Prestige said game 50 times 5. Rreliese that lobby shooters suck 6. Install legion, ask for account back
Have you seen any online multiplayer FPS being cross platform? Neither do I. There must be a reason, right?
http://www.gamesradar.com/pc-gamers-destroyed-console-gamers-in-tests-says-voodoo-pc-founder/
I played a lot on FFXIV ARR, it's cross platform, PC/PS3/PS4(soon) still, game design is made so that you're able to do (almost) anything a keyboard does.
VonSpliff wrote:As for the cheating there will be ways to know who and what means was used
Seriously? Can you honestly tell the difference between an Aimbot and a Lucky shot? or Aimbot vs skill?
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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