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Flambario Steelhammer
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.05.07 00:21:00 -
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I'm doing this for the CCP CCO and his upper management so they can think about it. So don't wonder if I ask them questions.
For the financial part I direct you to http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.br/2014/03/derecognized.html He did a great job.
First let me ask you a question.
You got an PR Department and they are really working? Do they just look at your released products or do they advice you what you could work on and on what not? Do they look at your presentations and say that will work and that will hurt? If you say yes to all then you should make some room there, they were not doing there job.
Now we look at the financial of CCP and Dust. Dust was making a revenue but not as much as needed. So to be clear CCP lost money on Dust. The development and upkeep cost more than the player of Dust was paying. Because CCP has only one income EVE the needed money was pulled from there.
Now Legion is not released an so will not generate revenue at all at this time.
After the rouge wedding at fanfest. I have to say something. You could done worse. But it would be hart to do. You didn't left much place to do it worse.
A good customer tell that 2 to 3 people. A bad customer tells it 10 people more if he is really upset and post it in a online community. The rouge wedding was so bad that nearly fps player in the PSN knows about it. And they all know friends that are playing on the pc. So Legion face a difficult time.
Nearly all Console only Players at Dust will stop making payments and even the Players with a PC will be very careful to put more money in the lost game of Dust.
And CCP is not doing it only now but for a long time if they continue the road.
Legion now operates in a much larger field then before. On PC there are nearly all the PS3 rivals (CoD, BF, ...) because they are on multi platforms and all the PC (Titanfall, LoL, Counterstrike, ...) games, that we all know from the e-sport.
So while Legion can draw more people it also has to be better much more better and that will be hard, because other companies have so much more money and developer time to put in there games.
I don't see how Legion can maintain there playerbase over there. Even without the rouge wedding. And on top of it comes CCP Z and his progression plan. He like to remove all what Eve stand for. The Sandbox and goes back to the classic role of sniper, medic and assault. But that is way every game goes and the die left and right when a new game is born. So the revenue will go down and it will cost CCP money as long as Legion lives. Since Sony isn't paying for the exclusive Dust anymore CCP is making the classic poker fault. The throw good money at the bad money and thing it will pay out.
So the only hope here is to stop Legion and continue Dust on the PS4 or if that is to hard or to late after the rouge wedding to stop the work on the ground at all.
Now to the other baby. Valkyrie it looks good an feels good but bringing it to the PS4? You are really invest time and money to bring the game to this poison place? After the rouge wedding a PS4 will just not buy it because it is from CCP. You just lost your reputation to work on an project till it is good and don't leave a player behind if he is just willing to wait that long.
On my personal note I think you are lost. You just created a new WiS and you did it even better you don't only tell us dusters that we lost 6 month up to now but also 2-3 years in time to come. The Community of New Eden know what you did last summer and they won't forget that. And so I know Eve only players that just closed there account because they don't trust you anymore. So do I and I was a happy paying customer since 2006.
Thanks for your ear.
DUST 514!!!
This char is dead at the 5/14 14 and no you can't have my stuff. I take that with me.
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Pete B
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
146
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:10:00 -
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I didn't read the entirety of what you posted, but I read the link and read most of your post.
I am on the fence with this. I full heartedly agree with the advancing of Dust and letting it thrive into what it was promise on PS4, but I can also see why they wanted a Dust on PC; no overheads, and no research.
The issue with Dust is that CCP has no background knowledge of developing for consoles, and they have no knowledge of FPS games, and they thrown into an especially competitive market on a mainstream gaming device. The idiom 'thrown into the deep end' works too well in this case. The fact that CCP has no idea what they are doing, and has no technology to even help them is bad, but the fact that Sony is then milking them for every penny for having a game on the market along with shaving cash from every transaction, they are not going to be making money fast.
All of this does make sense to culminate into Legion; going back to what they know and understand (in terms of technicality), being able to make money, and having to no real boundaries.
I still fully believe that eventually breaking down Dust on PS3 would be a good idea though. When they 'release' legion they should start beta testing on PS4 though. With the similarity of PC and PS4 technically (supposedly), the R&D side wouldn't be an issue and the Sony milking wouldn't be an issue unless they are on a negative, otherwise, there isn't a problem. |
Pete B
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
146
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:23:00 -
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The breaking down of Dust in my opinion should probably go like this;
>PvE released (just so they have working dynamic AI)
>Microtransactions removed (optional)
>Dust514 listing removed
>Add fully AI matches. So dropsuits are AI controlled, not player
>Warn players of an imminent removal of service
>Add unlisted singleplayer dust 514 that only uses AI
>Write code that sends players in game who spent/had aurum PSN codes to unlisted Dust
>This dust can make server requests to look up old Dust characters to use for single player dust. This service would expire within a year or so
>Completely shut down server access to multiplayer dust
Fundementally; turn the current Dust into a single player only dust that uses AI (which would be needed for legion anyway but could be tweaked to run on playstation).
Bonus points if they don't make an unlisted single player and make it listed. Extra points if they create physical copies instead. |
Flambario Steelhammer
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
26
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:24:00 -
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The problem with Legion on PC is that there are too many other games.
Eve Players will join Legion but the will not make an income on both games and so the money that CCP earn is still not enough to pay for Legion
DUST 514!!!
This char is dead at the 5/14 14 and no you can't have my stuff. I take that with me.
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:43:00 -
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Flambario Steelhammer wrote:The problem with Legion on PC is that there are too many other games.
Eve Players will join Legion but the will not make an income on both games and so the money that CCP earn is still not enough to pay for Legion
First of all, your argument only holds hold water if consoles didn't have a fuckton of other games too.
Secondly, I'd like some actual numbers (as Jester's post does not say anything about DUST) on that because it sounds to me you are just shooting hot air out of your arse with a nonsensical statement as that one.
Lastly, aren't you supposed to be dead? The dead don't talk. |
Flambario Steelhammer
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
26
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:33:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:Flambario Steelhammer wrote:The problem with Legion on PC is that there are too many other games.
Eve Players will join Legion but the will not make an income on both games and so the money that CCP earn is still not enough to pay for Legion First of all, your argument only holds hold water if consoles didn't have a fuckton of other games too. Secondly, I'd like some actual numbers (as Jester's post does not say anything about DUST) on that because it sounds to me you are just shooting hot air out of your arse with a nonsensical statement as that one. Lastly, aren't you supposed to be dead? The dead don't talk.
Looks like you can't read my signature. It isn't the 14 of may.
But I will tell you about your problems. Consoles have many games that is right but look at the type we are speaking. Nearly every game is also for the PC. So you have to rival them and all the PC games.
Second if you can't read the numbers then I'm sorry but the money just tell CCP to stop Legion now. Don't waste your money.
Dust wasn't making money. Legion never will be. And even a port to PS4 right now to calm the crowd I think it wouldn't pay out.
DUST 514!!!
This char is dead at the 5/14 14 and no you can't have my stuff. I take that with me.
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:46:00 -
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Flambario Steelhammer wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Flambario Steelhammer wrote:The problem with Legion on PC is that there are too many other games.
Eve Players will join Legion but the will not make an income on both games and so the money that CCP earn is still not enough to pay for Legion First of all, your argument only holds hold water if consoles didn't have a fuckton of other games too. Secondly, I'd like some actual numbers (as Jester's post does not say anything about DUST) on that because it sounds to me you are just shooting hot air out of your arse with a nonsensical statement as that one. Lastly, aren't you supposed to be dead? The dead don't talk. Looks like you can't read my signature. It isn't the 14 of may. But I will tell you about your problems. Consoles have many games that is right but look at the type we are speaking. Nearly every game is also for the PC. So you have to rival them and all the PC games. Second if you can't read the numbers then I'm sorry but the money just tell CCP to stop Legion now. Don't waste your money. Dust wasn't making money. Legion never will be. And even a port to PS4 right now to calm the crowd I think it wouldn't pay out.
Wait.. Legion is not even out yet and you are making the assumption that Legion won't be a revenue for CCP. That is like saying that the next Call of Duty is not going to make any money at all, when we know for a fact that it will. |
Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
285
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:24:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:Flambario Steelhammer wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Flambario Steelhammer wrote:The problem with Legion on PC is that there are too many other games.
Eve Players will join Legion but the will not make an income on both games and so the money that CCP earn is still not enough to pay for Legion First of all, your argument only holds hold water if consoles didn't have a fuckton of other games too. Secondly, I'd like some actual numbers (as Jester's post does not say anything about DUST) on that because it sounds to me you are just shooting hot air out of your arse with a nonsensical statement as that one. Lastly, aren't you supposed to be dead? The dead don't talk. Looks like you can't read my signature. It isn't the 14 of may. But I will tell you about your problems. Consoles have many games that is right but look at the type we are speaking. Nearly every game is also for the PC. So you have to rival them and all the PC games. Second if you can't read the numbers then I'm sorry but the money just tell CCP to stop Legion now. Don't waste your money. Dust wasn't making money. Legion never will be. And even a port to PS4 right now to calm the crowd I think it wouldn't pay out. Wait.. Legion is not even out yet and you are making the assumption that Legion won't be a revenue for CCP. That is like saying that the next Call of Duty is not going to make any money at all, when we know for a fact that it will.
Whoa hold on a second there buddy.
COD is a yearly installment in on of the most popular video games of all time.
Legion is coming from a developer who has developed a less than popular FPS with horrid balancing and content and has shown it can and will abandon a playerbase.
They couldn't be more opposite.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:39:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Flambario Steelhammer wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Flambario Steelhammer wrote:The problem with Legion on PC is that there are too many other games.
Eve Players will join Legion but the will not make an income on both games and so the money that CCP earn is still not enough to pay for Legion First of all, your argument only holds hold water if consoles didn't have a fuckton of other games too. Secondly, I'd like some actual numbers (as Jester's post does not say anything about DUST) on that because it sounds to me you are just shooting hot air out of your arse with a nonsensical statement as that one. Lastly, aren't you supposed to be dead? The dead don't talk. Looks like you can't read my signature. It isn't the 14 of may. But I will tell you about your problems. Consoles have many games that is right but look at the type we are speaking. Nearly every game is also for the PC. So you have to rival them and all the PC games. Second if you can't read the numbers then I'm sorry but the money just tell CCP to stop Legion now. Don't waste your money. Dust wasn't making money. Legion never will be. And even a port to PS4 right now to calm the crowd I think it wouldn't pay out. Wait.. Legion is not even out yet and you are making the assumption that Legion won't be a revenue for CCP. That is like saying that the next Call of Duty is not going to make any money at all, when we know for a fact that it will. Whoa hold on a second there buddy. COD is a yearly installment in on of the most popular video games of all time. Legion is coming from a developer who has developed a less than popular FPS with horrid balancing and content and has shown it can and will abandon a playerbase. They couldn't be more opposite.
Perhaps you should read and think about what I am saying instead of having a knee-jerk? |
Atikali Havendoorr
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:41:00 -
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Pete B wrote:I didn't read the entirety of what you posted, but I read the link and read most of your post.
I am on the fence with this. I full heartedly agree with the advancing of Dust and letting it thrive into what it was promise on PS4, but I can also see why they wanted a Dust on PC; no overheads, and no research.
The issue with Dust is that CCP has no background knowledge of developing for consoles, and they have no knowledge of FPS games, and they thrown into an especially competitive market on a mainstream gaming device. The idiom 'thrown into the deep end' works too well in this case. The fact that CCP has no idea what they are doing, and has no technology to even help them is bad, but the fact that Sony is then milking them for every penny for having a game on the market along with shaving cash from every transaction, they are not going to be making money fast.
All of this does make sense to culminate into Legion; going back to what they know and understand (in terms of technicality), being able to make money, and having to no real boundaries.
I still fully believe that eventually breaking down Dust on PS3 would be a good idea though. When they 'release' legion they should start beta testing on PS4 though. With the similarity of PC and PS4 technically (supposedly), the R&D side wouldn't be an issue and the Sony milking wouldn't be an issue unless they are on a negative, otherwise, there isn't a problem.
Allow me to repeat myself and fill in a bit.
If biomassing or quitting, add yourself to the registry https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=159832
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