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KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2393	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:33:00 - [1] - Quote KingBabar wrote: If its on PC then I'm not in. If it comes to PS4 I'll have to consider it then, I don't exactly fansy playing vs a large community with M/KB.... I totally AGREE. My reason is the same but for a COMPETATIVE reason, allow me to explain, in LAN Parties/EVENTS where teams are set against other teams/clans/corps etc on a direct contact level where both duke it out to prove who is the best, THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME HARDWARE! They all have the same PC, Monitor, Mouse and Keyboard thus the game boils down to SKILL, it's a hard thing to consider for most but look at the world around us, CoD, HALO, FIFA and so many other well marketed games have these Tournaments done in LAN. This is to make sure that the game play is as balanced as possible on an input output level. On PC you start off online thinking U can play on a competative level BUT no, U need to constantly INVEST TIME and CASH on it just to make your gaming rig the best possible thing on the market so that u have all the possible advantages = a reduction in personal skill. U might win a firefight due to the fact that u have only 25fps more than your target due to the GPU, CPU, RAM and input/output devices in general which also includes monitor which can reduce INPUT LAG so not only talking about ingame lag. Whereas on Console EVERYONE should have the same hardwareTwisted I started first on PC when I was 8yo, had consoles/PCs and have played online for over 14 years since 1999 and tbh consoles are the most competative due to the fact that all are on the same hardware level. Sure in online gameplay LAG is obviously another issue but it's the same issue PC gamers have PLUS the Hardware. Even for DEVs it's easier to OPTIMISE the same hardware rather than try and optimise various forms of hardware together. Look @ Planetside 2 for example on PC, it took SOE OVER a YEAR to optimise it on PC. This is why the PS4 port is easier to do and will obtain the best possible hardware optimisations that the PS4 has to offer, even if they make a mess of it for the first few months, i'm sure it will only get better. Personally King i'd suggest consider taking this Team of players and focus on the PS4 with Planetside 2 when it comes out. If Sony show signs of mercy towards CCP then Legion will probably come to the PS4 BUT CCP should make sure all can be transferable on PC and PS4 from DUST if not really...I CBA to suport their ways of doing business. We were told of a 10 year plan for DUST not LEGION, We were told that many things would be added to DUST but will now ONLY goto Legion, We believe that our characters in DUST would be part of the EVE online universe as an MMO and that which happens in DUST Effects EVE online which only happens in FW and on a minimal level, we were told that they wouldn't remove BPOs and slowly CCP started to remove them from the ingame market, psn store and EVEN ingame. Not to mention everything else which CCP lied to us about. I have no faith in these people, the amount of cash we invested to support them and then to find they "take the money and run", People like that wouldn't last 5mins in the area i grew up in 4REAL.Twisted ^ That was all written by NomaDz 2K - He says it better than I ever could. Those that are interrested in hearing about why I will step down can go here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161199&find=unread FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Youknowutimsayin Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 359	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:39:00 - [2] - Quote NomaDz speaks nothing but the truth. I will give Legion a go IF and only IF my SP transfers from Dust in a reasonable way. CCP will not get another cent from me until then, suspended EVE account as well. I am not a Dust merc. I am a multi-vet MAG player searching for a new home. CCP, stop emailing me about rants. IDGAF.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1267	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:40:00 - [3] - Quote Tl;dr Let's go Planetside 2 in PS4. I'm in. Ps. LAN DOOOOOOOMMMM, *******! Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
843 Epidemic BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1027	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:41:00 - [4] - Quote Never thought about it that way. Damn When Dust is ashes, then you will have my permission to Dance.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2064	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:42:00 - [5] - Quote Nobody cares what you have to say, you've been PRO stomping noobs since beta. Why don't you go do more of that? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2750	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:43:00 - [6] - Quote Let me ask you this... if they announced Legion for PS4 would you/nomad be saying any of this?
843 Epidemic BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 1027	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:44:00 - [7] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Nobody cares what you have to say, you've been PRO stomping noobs since beta. Why don't you go do more of that? The only people who don't protostomp noobs are noobs themselves. Unless you're a complete carebear moron. Or poor. When Dust is ashes, then you will have my permission to Dance.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2402	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:52:00 - [8] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Let me ask you this... if they announced Legion for PS4 would you/nomad be saying any of this? I would be extatic and told them that I'd gladly play Dust even in its current ****** state for another 2 years, I'd even promote a semi stat reset (Like 20 M SP - 20 M Isk max being carried over) to keep the gap between Dust vets and newbies at not too a great level. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
The Noob Destroyer Pradox One Proficiency V. 793	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:54:00 - [9] - Quote You make an extremely good point that I have not considered. +1 CCP fanfest 2014
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2402	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:55:00 - [10] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Nobody cares what you have to say, you've been PRO stomping noobs since beta. Why don't you go do more of that? Nah from now on I'm gonna play Dust the correct way, passively in a tank giving flux all about my team losing or winning. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.

Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 433	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:55:00 - [11] - Quote Except not everyone has the same hardware even on the ps3 . There have been many version and variations of the PS3 and not all of them react the same to the game as we seen in the past . That why there are usually constant patches of games after release . It's why Dust was so hampered by a lack of a test server. No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2402	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:56:00 - [12] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Tl;dr Let's go Planetside 2 in PS4. I'm in. Ps. LAN DOOOOOOOMMMM, *******! Getting my PS4 next week.... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
NomaDz 2K The Rainbow Effect 164	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:58:00 - [13] - Quote Damn King I forgot to Add: THE ONLY THING COMPETATIVE ABOUT PC GAMING IS THE HARDWARE But not the SKILL or Hardware Balance/Equality as found on Console DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2750	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:58:00 - [14] - Quote KingBabar wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Let me ask you this... if they announced Legion for PS4 would you/nomad be saying any of this? I would be extatic and told them that I'd gladly play Dust even in its current **** state for another 2 years, I'd even promote a semi stat reset (Like 20 SP - 20 Isk max being carried over) to keep the gap between Dust vets and newbies at not too a great level. In the end it all just falls back to PC vs Consoles... honestly the root of about 90% of the drama on the forums I feel. I would say 5-10 years ago your arguments would be hands down correct but in today's market PC progression has slowed down considerably. Just like SC2 or LoL you are gonna turn your graphics down to a point where you can maintain an acceptable level of FPS, is it 60? 100? 120? You'll set your graphics until you get your desired frame rate. I can guarantee that even on medium graphics Legion will look 1000x better than Dust. So I'm not sure this argument has merit in today's PC market. In regards to KingBabar wrote:** We were told of a 10 year plan for DUST not LEGION, We were told that many things would be added to DUST but will now ONLY goto Legion, We believe that our characters in DUST would be part of the EVE online universe as an MMO and that which happens in DUST Effects EVE online which only happens in FW and on a minimal level, we were told that they wouldn't remove BPOs and slowly CCP started to remove them from the ingame market, psn store and EVEN ingame. Not to mention everything else which CCP lied to us about. I ask you the same thing... would either of you be saying this if it was on PS4? It just comes back to PC vs Console again. You choose not to play on PC. You are not excluded from Dust's future, you choose not to be a part of it.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1867	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:58:00 - [15] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Let me ask you this... if they announced Legion for PS4 would you/nomad be saying any of this? If they had announced legion for PS4 I would not be wishing horrendous deaths upon CCP. Merely incurable diseases and ghastly disfigurements. Who wants some?
NomaDz 2K The Rainbow Effect 165	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:11:00 - [16] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Let me ask you this... if they announced Legion for PS4 would you/nomad be saying any of this? I will tell U what I want or shall we say EXPECT. CCP Continues to Develop DUST on the PS3 , Legion gets RENAMED to DUST 514: Legion which would be considered the up to date version of DUST for the PS4 and PC. As will be done with Planetside on the PS4 which will be as Up To Date as the PC version on Release. Allow to Multiplatform Cross Gaming between PS4 and PS3 Players in at least 32 Player matches since we know the PS3 can handle it. Then since DUST: Legion would be considered an EXPANSION AND NOT A NEW GAME, allow those on PS4 and PC to have a Bigger game mode like Domination taken from MAG where there could be 64v64 or 128v128 IF NOT MORE. ALL PS3 Accounts with SP, ISK and Items transferable on PC and PS4. That they At least Extend the DUST Development, ADD THE PLAYER MARKET, Allow More EVE Integration with DUST which will continue on the DUST:LEGION EXPANSION. CCP should also DELIVER the PVE cause the PS3 CAN HANDLE IT. Most probably everything which they stated for the past 2 years in DUST. If they do this then ok cause at least the PS3 version will continue to have a 10 Year plan because PSN for PS3 is the same used for the PS4 and therefore will not be taken down for at least 6-8 years if not more or until the PS4 exists. NB the ONLY reason I feel that CCP called out LEGION was to break any LEGAL Ties with SONY A well planned Fraud in my book. They should consider themselves lucky if Sony allows them to port Legion on the PS4. DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2406	Posted - 2014.05.06 16:13:00 - [17] - Quote @ ZDUB Well, you are probably right, shall we call it Playstation fanboyism? Console player here, I will not get a gaming rig for this one game, there are plenty of desireable games coming to the PS4. If Legion eventually goes there and I can transfer my toon I will give it a go. Playing Dust with close to no updates for the next 1-3 years aren't actually a desireable opiton. I'd like to see a minimum of development for this to keep being interresting. More than 16 vs 16, progressive game mode and a more steady FPS rate is at the top of my list. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 40	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:35:00 - [18] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: you are gonna turn your graphics down. All right but you know what Happen NOW on dust when you lower your effect setting to reduce lag and maintain a decente FPS? Cloack shimmer start to disapper. At ALL speed. you can't see it clearly like when you use Effect setting on high. So due to my third world italian line i need to choose: or FPS or Cloack. Problem is NOT pc VS Console ZDUB. I'm not a Consoller as you are not PCer. WE ARE GAMERS. I want Legion to be on PS4 'cause dust is on PS3, and i'm not spending a 999Gé¼ on a Gaming pc JUST for Legion ( yeah in Italy gaming PCs cost this much, get over it.) I have my Macbook that i use for my work. i don't need a duplicate. I want Legion on PC too, but i want to be 90% sure that people are not cheating.But hey CCP can't even prevent GJR to farm like on a FORUM... OR prevent BOOSTING during event... Another problem with PC is the disparity. When i was playing Q3A people with the thousands DPI mouse were doing thing that were simply impossibile for other players. Hell, i even tried a program for creating a kind of macro, and i was doing a perfect rocket-jump with ONE button. But look at ALL FPS, look at how many AIMbot-TrigBOT- Wallhackz (not needed, we have passive scanning). And before people start telling me about BAN. Yeah imagine a New toon with 500 SP in it with a FAST DPS HITSCAN WEAPON doing ALL headshot. Imagine that you can make a new account in 2 sec . Cant Possibily go well. For Real
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2754	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:49:00 - [19] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Console player here, I will not get a gaming rig for this one game, there are plenty of desireable games coming to the PS4. You know... I feel the same the but in reverse. I really don't want to buy a PS4 for just one game when there are plenty of desirable games on Steam. Its just the gaming market . I blame console makers for forcing exclusives onto the market in the first place. Although it was the only way to keep consoles relevant in their early years. I just want to make it clear that this thread is about you being unhappy its not on a gaming platform you already own, and that's it. Jastaddd Death seeker wrote: Cant Possibily go well. For Real All valid concerns for sure.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 719	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:52:00 - [20] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: Except not everyone has the same hardware even on the ps3 . There have been many version and variations of the PS3 and not all of them react the same to the game as we seen in the past . That why there are usually constant patches of games after release . It's why Dust was so hampered by a lack of a test server. I can't believe that your even trying to compare the two , do you PC ??? I'm sure that from your reaction that you do so you should know better , they make movies about PC players playing in tournaments and some of those players have massive gamming systems that took many hours and dollars to complete and take up whole rooms in some instances and you really want to compare the two ??? Get real , this is no condemnation it's the truth so I just don't understand why PC players get all up in arms about this . Everyone already knows this , I have an associate that has a PC , top of the line ... a whole room set up and would prob smash any of whom would play legion because he is a tech geek as well , I mean this set up took thousands of dollars with stereo and everything , even aimbot systems that he claims that he doesn't use but keeps because he knows how competitive others are , I mean I couldn't even begin to understand what's going on if I didn't know the guy . Some PC gamers are just that serious about what they do . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8366	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:02:00 - [21] - Quote The problem I have with the consoles, even though I am a console player myself, is that I have to spend $500 every 5 years when a next-gen console comes out. It's like upgrading a Mac. Dump it in the trash and buy a new one. In the short term, the prices are exceedingly cheap compared to a PC, but in the long time especially for a dedicated console gamer the long-term cost might eventually equal your initial savings. My PC has lasted for 7 years at least and so far I only needed to upgrade the HDD and memory. Well, my rig cost me $3,500 back then when I first bought it but that was because I was needing a rig that can handle Microsoft Flight Simulator X which is a huge resource hog compared to other games even to this day. If was only for Eve Online, I wouldn't have invested so much on the rig. :P http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 560	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:04:00 - [22] - Quote The problem is when a console - in this case the PS3 - cannot even play said game at a smooth 30+ fps (Let alone 60 or more fps like most people would like) then this idea of a fair playground for all is right out the window. We only have to look towards Planetary Conquest to see how messed up it is and has been. Some would get less than 10 FPS in certain areas at certain times of the battle while others would have normal levels of performance. With the PC platform this is less likely to happen as most PC have much more power. If not then the PC platform allows for a much greater degree of graphical customisation so you can really lower settings if you desire higher performance. Ever noticed that a lot of championships for games, the REAL competitive championships where big prize pools are paid out, that even though they all run on amazing hardware, generally they do not run games on the highest settings and instead players opt for a more performance focused setting. Markdown:
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 3048	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:21:00 - [23] - Quote ... dam someone should go tell the MLG gaming groups all their matches are rigged ... "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
RevoItZ The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 402	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:34:00 - [24] - Quote Competitive PC gaming normally involves lowing your graphical settings to the lowest and disabling any features that ties in with the graphics to maximize FPS, you don't need to constantly upgrade your rig to compete, that's silly. If you know what you're doing you can get a decent PC and monitor for around -ú800 and not need to upgrade it for a good few years. No competitive gamer thinks "OMG BATTLEFIELD 5 IS COMING OUT! I NEED TO RUN IT ON SUPER ULTRA AND GET BEST FPS! then proceeds to buy a Titan black" Depending on what monitor they use determines the amount of FPS you're looking for. Generally the higher frequency monitors such as 120hz-144hz require higher FPS to be effective(Frames = HZ) So the only time a gamer with a high frequency monitor would need to upgrade is, when the frames fall below the hz. PC gaming is cheaper than you think, also saving -ú40 on new releases is pretty sweet :P Winner of EU Prime League Tournament Winner of EU Squad Cup RIP MAG
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2755	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:37:00 - [25] - Quote RevoItZ wrote: PC gaming is cheaper than you think, also saving -ú40 on new releases is pretty sweet :P Steam... much amazing, so wow.
RevoItZ The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 402	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:39:00 - [26] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: RevoItZ wrote: PC gaming is cheaper than you think, also saving -ú40 on new releases is pretty sweet :P Steam... much amazing, so wow. Don't get me started on Steam Zdub :P I've got a pretty impressive backlog I need to start working on. Winner of EU Prime League Tournament Winner of EU Squad Cup RIP MAG
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2757	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:50:00 - [27] - Quote RevoItZ wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: RevoItZ wrote: PC gaming is cheaper than you think, also saving -ú40 on new releases is pretty sweet :P Steam... much amazing, so wow. Don't get me started on Steam Zdub :P I've got a pretty impressive backlog I need to start working on. Seriously... i've got like 93 unplayed games after all those steam sales... I need to start playing Dark Souls 2 soon.
Scheherazade VII SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 457	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:01:00 - [28] - Quote 843 Epidemic wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Nobody cares what you have to say, you've been PRO stomping noobs since beta. Why don't you go do more of that? The only people who don't protostomp noobs are noobs themselves. Unless you're a complete carebear moron. Or poor. god dammit don't quote the guy! i gain such satisfaction from seeing his post is blocked and then some nub comes along and quotes him and it all gets swept away
CHECHOMAN FUTURE PROJECT LEGION HISPANO CORP 368	Posted - 2014.05.06 19:15:00 - [29] - Quote Without dusas, legion in pc, is the future and more hurried now officially going to be free-to-play; http://www.elotrolado.net/hilo_ccp-games-reinventa-dust-514-para-pc-como-project-legion_2003992, I mean we do not talk as now in dust, which has about 20,000 active players in dust and that maximum matching at the same time as the maximum is much 3,500 active players at the same time, http://eve-offline.net/ ... Well, aside from your see what they showed us the legion, dress quality, engine ureal Throw in 4 sony not depend on which dust was the demo project legion ... And this is the result ... The future. .. EVE-LEGION-HISPANO.ES.TL/(^o=)\


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