TheGoebel wrote:Edit: Post above me get to it first. Curse my slow typing. Still, the point remains the same.
I couldn't sleep, this thread is bothering me and I have yet to post anything on any forum related to this issue but I couldn't shake this.
I am happy the CPM didn't break NDA. The NDA is an integral part of what makes a construction like the CPM/CSM work.
That being said, I think if the whole of CPM resigned at the same time. namely after being shown legion, no NDA would be broken and the community would see the red flag. That's a bit sensationalist though, if the CPM resigned how could they help CCP do some community management, release news of this appropriately? I in no way believe CPM/CSM members had any hand in the Legion announcement being the Dust keynote.
But you know what you can do? You can resign now. As CPM. you haven't been listened to, there's no reason to believe you will be listened to and the most effective use of your position is to make a news story out of it. Its your call, but I can tell you from here, it would be the best thing for the current council members to do.
Thank you for painting a picture that is more accurate.
We went through the same thought processes and discussed options with concequences of their future impacts and we knew that quitting back then would have probably made cpm 0 the last cpm and that would not be absolutely fair to the rest of the community. Also we realized we probably overplayed the 'we are going to quit card.' A card we mostly played over 'why even have a cpm' in the past when cpm was at its weakest state which has probably caused a level of mistrust between the cpm and various members of the company. Just like in real life politics every person has thier own opininion and even if you convince the people you think are in charge, the people in the majority it only takes a very few folks to override the best laid out plans.
CPM is in that very weird position where saying 'we told you so' in a rather immature manner is so tempting but the CPM realizes we're at the critical point of being legitimized as a needed organization. We had a half day summit yesterday and you cannot belive how much progress was made for empowering the community. If those talks turn into green lights you will see the impact soon enough and we're having another full day summit today.
The fact we didnt quit as allowed us to help shape things up for legion and possibly and fallback for dust as well such as the ewn progression system was made under advisement of the CPM as the original model presented to teh cpm would have infurated everyone including the most die hard of fanboys for the game
@Garret
While you may have held several NDAs you probably never had Top Secret clearance. It only takes a breach of confidential complaint to pernamently revoke the clearance which shows up on public records it was revoked and that the difference between having a job with a clearance and a job and job without is rather significant in terms of wage and options. FBI and NSA headed up my investigation because I was foreign born of a non american citizen so the grilling was extra tough on me when I first got it. This is nearly as bad of a record to obtain in the states as being a federal criminal. You can't scrub that mark off at all and they're eventually going to find out if they dont at first.
Losing my security clearance would disallow me from working in medical because of the HiPPA, any branch of government setcors, and most technical jobs because its part of both national and company security most of the time.
Also anyonomous options?
LOWL; you're talking about the same company that can nail an eve botter's unaffiliated alt account made under every precaution avoiding being associated with his bots at all. A simple browse through some of the botter forums is sometimes all the entertainment I need. So what really makes you think a simple human powered investigation would not reveal who the anon is? CCP's IA and Security is a rather scary team of people because I am familar with thier capabilities.
Also I have to say your talks about how you would break the NDA means that likely you can kiss every and any chance of voulenteer work, ever running for anyting with CCP ever again.
FInally we had thought and measured out the concequences instead of acting out of passionate knee jerking. Doing anything you suggested was measured to have the lowest or reversal of impact; and not helped anything move forward. There is no way you can convince me or the rest of the CPM at this point an time that NDA breaching would have ever resulting in anything good.
and bottom line; there was about 6 people who claimed to have come across evidence of legion's nature. Not a single one was listened to. Free Beers amongst them. Confirmation Bias will be strnog with that one.