DUST Search - CPM has betrayed Dust

MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote:

Dr PepperPoP wrote:

MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote:

They were (are) legally obligated to remain silent about Eve:Legion by a non-disclosure agreement with CCP.

So what part of that says they work more with Legion then Dust?

It's obvious what CPM was used for - to better Legion, not Dust.

I would of left CPM right then when I found out CCP was going to **** on you guys. Guess some people choose the flashy over the community.

Great reps, 10/10

My guess would be that the bare minimums of the contract stated that anything that was discussed in pre-release meetings was off the table as far as public discussion. In a nutshell, if CCP hadn't already made something public, the CPM's would be in violation of the NDA if they made it public themselves. They would be parties to the contract regardless of whether or not they quit their position as CPM and it wouldn't matter if it was about Dust, Legion, or the Cookie Monster. Anything discussed between the CPMs and CCP that isn't already public knowledge is protected. I'm not happy with the CPM's, but CCP did have them by the balls.

Nobody wants to get sued. Violating a NDA is a pretty big deal, legally speaking.

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Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 610	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:52:00 - [1] - Quote Sold out to legion - they were suppose to represent us and Dust 514 - they represent Legion and it's future more. We've been abandon by our own reps. This is our council - why do we have it again? So that CCP can get other people to back stab us with them so they don't take all the heat? Working as intended, I guess. Tell me more on how hard it was to back-stab us when CCP was shining beautiful images of Legion in front of you.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3817	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:52:00 - [2] - Quote No one going to stop the Sota Rage Train! Sir Hadah for CPM WTB Scuba equipment to navigate through all the dust merc tears
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 7332	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:53:00 - [3] - Quote Nova Knife seems to care, at least a little bit, here. "We're not good at keeping secrets at CCP" -CCP Rouge
MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 260	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:55:00 - [4] - Quote They were (are) legally obligated to remain silent about Eve:Legion by a non-disclosure agreement with CCP. "LASER-FOCUSED" R.I.P. Dust 5/14 (We Finally Figured Out What it Means!) 90 Day AUR Refunds! Call 1-800-345-SONY
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 610	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:57:00 - [5] - Quote MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: They were (are) legally obligated to remain silent about Eve:Legion by a non-disclosure agreement with CCP. So what part of that says they work more with Legion then Dust? It's obvious what CPM was used for - to better Legion, not Dust. I would of left CPM right then when I found out CCP was going to **** on you guys. Guess some people choose the flashy over the community. Great reps, 10/10
Cosgar 9233	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:58:00 - [6] - Quote CPM are just players like us that know a little more about the direction things are going. Despite the illusion of choice they have on the goings on, they have no power. Though they kept tight lipped about it, you need to go after the real enemy here. This community is the nail in Dust 514's coffin, waiting to be hammered in.
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 617	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:59:00 - [7] - Quote Cosgar wrote: CPM are just players like us that know a little more about the direction things are going. Despite the illusion of choice they have on the goings on, they have no power. Though they kept tight lipped about it, you need to go after the real enemy here. Would you like a link that says CPM knew of Legion and was working with it? It's quite the nice read, they even go so far to say how special they feel that they helped killed Dust and helped Legion. "Closest interaction CPM's ever seen!" ... I wonder why????? -.-
The Noob Destroyer Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 456	Posted - 2014.05.03 17:59:00 - [8] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Sold out to legion - they were suppose to represent us and Dust 514 - they represent Legion and it's future more. We've been abandon by our own reps. This is our council - why do we have it again? So that CCP can get other people to back stab us with them so they don't take all the heat? Working as intended, I guess. Tell me more on how hard it was to back-stab us when CCP was shining beautiful images of Legion in front of you. I demand immediate removal of all CPM. The Real GJR Don't try to be a great man, just be a man and let history make its own judgement.
Kelestia Colvolian Commando clan 42	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:00:00 - [9] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Sold out to legion - they were suppose to represent us and Dust 514 - they represent Legion and it's future more. We've been abandon by our own reps. This is our council - why do we have it again? So that CCP can get other people to back stab us with them so they don't take all the heat? Working as intended, I guess. Tell me more on how hard it was to back-stab us when CCP was shining beautiful images of Legion in front of you. Mate, they've all betrayed us. CPM, Devs, everyone at CCP who knew of the plan. I'm not bitter because they've decided to abandon the PS3 and go PC - that's life, that happens. It's a reasonable decision given the context. What I can't stomach is that all these c** have known for months that this was going to happen, and they knew perfectly well that as soon as we learned of it that we would stop buying AUR and boosters for what is essentially a dead game walking. And not one of them broke ranks to do the right thing and let us know. But as recently as yesterday morning, before the "DUST" keynote we were still being encouraged to give CCP RL money. That's some cold s* right there, it was fraud, and can never be forgiven.
The Noob Destroyer Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 456	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:00:00 - [10] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Cosgar wrote: CPM are just players like us that know a little more about the direction things are going. Despite the illusion of choice they have on the goings on, they have no power. Though they kept tight lipped about it, you need to go after the real enemy here. Would you like a link that says CPM knew of Legion and was working with it? It's quite the nice read, they even go so far to say how special they feel that they helped killed Dust and helped Legion. "Closest interaction CPM's ever seen!" ... I wonder why????? -.- This is true. I have links as well. I even have quotes from CSM members from EVE that knew. The Real GJR Don't try to be a great man, just be a man and let history make its own judgement.

MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 261	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:02:00 - [11] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: They were (are) legally obligated to remain silent about Eve:Legion by a non-disclosure agreement with CCP. So what part of that says they work more with Legion then Dust? It's obvious what CPM was used for - to better Legion, not Dust. I would of left CPM right then when I found out CCP was going to **** on you guys. Guess some people choose the flashy over the community. Great reps, 10/10 My guess would be that the bare minimums of the contract stated that anything that was discussed in pre-release meetings was off the table as far as public discussion. In a nutshell, if CCP hadn't already made something public, the CPM's would be in violation of the NDA if they made it public themselves. They would be parties to the contract regardless of whether or not they quit their position as CPM and it wouldn't matter if it was about Dust, Legion, or the Cookie Monster. Anything discussed between the CPMs and CCP that isn't already public knowledge is protected. I'm not happy with the CPM's, but CCP did have them by the balls. Nobody wants to get sued. Violating a NDA is a pretty big deal, legally speaking. "LASER-FOCUSED" R.I.P. Dust 5/14 (We Finally Figured Out What it Means!) 90 Day AUR Refunds! Call 1-800-345-SONY
MockHolliday Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 13	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:02:00 - [12] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: They were (are) legally obligated to remain silent about Eve:Legion by a non-disclosure agreement with CCP. So what part of that says they work more with Legion then Dust? It's obvious what CPM was used for - to better Legion, not Dust. I would of left CPM right then when I found out CCP was going to **** on you guys. Guess some people choose the flashy over the community. Great reps, 10/10 Yup,but they said..."a free vacation trip to Iceland....again. Nah, worth being a dousche bag to a bunch of invisible internet people."
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4272	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:03:00 - [13] - Quote But you're the one who called this game a POS. Surely you didn't want to save a POS, did you? Or you were talking just to be talking? Which is odd, for I don't say what I don't mean. Community trolled CCP devs and the community got trolled back. Now they cry. Boo hoo cry me river. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 923	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:03:00 - [14] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: No one going to stop the Sota Rage Train! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_zC7QK64Ks Chooo-chooo! Honestly, the main purpose of the CPM/CSM has always been to be a shield that CCP uses to take the blows from the community. I'm afraid everything else is just bells and whistles.
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 617	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:03:00 - [15] - Quote MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: They were (are) legally obligated to remain silent about Eve:Legion by a non-disclosure agreement with CCP. So what part of that says they work more with Legion then Dust? It's obvious what CPM was used for - to better Legion, not Dust. I would of left CPM right then when I found out CCP was going to **** on you guys. Guess some people choose the flashy over the community. Great reps, 10/10 My guess would be that the bare minimums of the contract stated that anything that was discussed in pre-release meetings was off the table as far as public discussion. In a nutshell, if CCP hadn't already made something public, the CPM's would be in violation of the NDA if they made it public themselves. They would be parties to the contract regardless of whether or not they quit their position as CPM and it wouldn't matter if it was about Dust, Legion, or the Cookie Monster. Anything discussed between the CPMs and CCP that isn't already public knowledge is protected. I'm not happy with the CPM's, but CCP did have them by the balls. Nobody wants to get sued. Violating a NDA is a pretty big deal, legally speaking. No, CCP does not hold CPM by the balls. CPM has the choice to QUIT. Why are you helping KILL OUR GAME? Traitors, you're no longer welcomed hurr!!! But then again, none of us are.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13813	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:04:00 - [16] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: But you're the one who called this game a POS. Surely you didn't want to save a POS, did you? Or you were talking just to be talking? Which is odd, for I don't say what I don't mean. Community trolled CCP devs and the community got trolled back. Now they cry. Boo hoo cry me river. Do you ever have anything useful to say, or are you just a parrot? DUST is DEAD Quit?
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 617	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:05:00 - [17] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: But you're the one who called this game a POS. Surely you didn't want to save a POS, did you? Or you were talking just to be talking? Which is odd, for I don't say what I don't mean. Community trolled CCP devs and the community got trolled back. Now they cry. Boo hoo cry me river. We call it a piece of ** so CCP knows to fix it, why are you bringing this subject up this way? This isn't a case of trolling, get the ** out of my thread fanboy.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13813	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:05:00 - [18] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: No, CCP does not hold CPM by the balls. CPM has the choice to QUIT. Why are you helping KILL OUR GAME? Quitting doesn't release them from the NDA on what they've already heard. DUST is DEAD Quit?
Scrub Zero Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 324	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:05:00 - [19] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Sold out to legion - they were suppose to represent us and Dust 514 - they represent Legion and it's future more. We've been abandon by our own reps. This is our council - why do we have it again? So that CCP can get other people to back stab us with them so they don't take all the heat? Working as intended, I guess. Tell me more on how hard it was to back-stab us when CCP was shining beautiful images of Legion in front of you. They were NEVER our reps. They did it for THEIR own personal gain. They are to blame for half of what's wrong in dust. If CCP did not do what the CPM felt was 'right' they should have quit. I PERSONALLY think they worked for CCP all along.
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 617	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:06:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: No, CCP does not hold CPM by the balls. CPM has the choice to QUIT. Why are you helping KILL OUR GAME? Quitting doesn't release them from the NDA on what they've already heard. Quitting does release them from helping betray us. Nice trade off imo.

thesupertman Better Hide R Die 339	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:06:00 - [21] - Quote Has CPM ever helped us? CCP DONT **ing FORGET ABOUT THE PS3 USERS! Just give me something to play with!!
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:07:00 - [22] - Quote thesupertman wrote: Has CPM ever helped us? Honestly boyo i dont trust anyone aroud that company of lies. "Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5316	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:09:00 - [23] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: But you're the one who called this game a POS. Surely you didn't want to save a POS, did you? Or you were talking just to be talking? Which is odd, for I don't say what I don't mean. Community trolled CCP devs and the community got trolled back. Now they cry. Boo hoo cry me river. This is the part where we start dividing the community apart even further and people like Michael here start feeling righteous for sucking up to the devs all along. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 949	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:10:00 - [24] - Quote Don't be ignorant. Copy and pasted from another thread. Bayeth Mal wrote: CPMs knew... Don't focus on this. This is a distraction. EULAs and TOSs aren't legally binding contracts and if a player breaks their terms, they might be banned from the game. There will be no legal consequences. The NDAs that bind the CPM are legally binding. Would you risk any kind of legal action at all to tell us anything if you were a CPM member? No. You wouldn't. The CPM aren't responsible for this. If anything, I get the impression they used all their influence to try and stop this, when they say things like "CPM1 is going to be very stressful" and the fact that none of them (except one that I can't remember) are running for re-election. I'll say it again. CPM aren't responsible for this. CCP is. Solely and completely. Don't let the CPM be your scapegoat and remember where the blame lies. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
The Noob Destroyer Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 457	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:10:00 - [25] - Quote I helped the community more by biomassing than CPM ever did for us.... Jenza on irc :ahhh the spa was just wonderful. ... yea way to rub it in our faces jenza. I am not even lying about this. I just told her that I was glad she was enjoying her free paid vacation. At this point raging at her is pointless. She got hers and I got mine. The Real GJR Don't try to be a great man, just be a man and let history make its own judgement.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 172	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:12:00 - [26] - Quote Classy CPM Member wrote: I have relinquished my position as CPM due to unforeseen changes in the product that I cannot stand behind. Good Luck, Dusters. Nobody was man enough. **** you guys. GG, everybody. Best of luck to all of my One-Armed Bandits, my homies in SAM-MIK, and all the Logis in the Funzone.
The Noob Destroyer Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 457	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:14:00 - [27] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: Classy CPM Member wrote: I have relinquished my position as CPM due to unforeseen changes in the product that I cannot stand behind. Good Luck, Dusters. Nobody was man enough. **** you guys. Ripper 4 CPM nvm scratch that Ripper 4 CEO. The Real GJR Don't try to be a great man, just be a man and let history make its own judgement.
Skylight Atoma The Phoenix Federation Caps and Mercs 5	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:16:00 - [28] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Sold out to legion - they were suppose to represent us and Dust 514 - they represent Legion and it's future more. We've been abandon by our own reps. This is our council - why do we have it again? So that CCP can get other people to back stab us with them so they don't take all the heat? Working as intended, I guess. Tell me more on how hard it was to back-stab us when CCP was shining beautiful images of Legion in front of you. No they haven't betrayed us. Read Nova Knife's blog about the announcement, they had the same reaction we have having right now. http://www.dust514base.com/2014/05/braving-storm-legion-dust-and-cpms-hand.html
tastzlike chicken ROGUE SPADES 220	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:16:00 - [29] - Quote I reserve my ire for CCP. The CPM was/is in a **** spot. I am sure CCP would love it if some of the anger were deflected at them and in truth this consideration probably factors prominently in the calculus of having a CPM. I have no particular anger or love for the CPM as a group. Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur**
LittleCuteBunny 510	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:18:00 - [30] - Quote Even if they were tied by the NDA, it was ethically wrong. Graveyard 514

Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 625	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:19:00 - [31] - Quote Skylight Atoma wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: Sold out to legion - they were suppose to represent us and Dust 514 - they represent Legion and it's future more. We've been abandon by our own reps. This is our council - why do we have it again? So that CCP can get other people to back stab us with them so they don't take all the heat? Working as intended, I guess. Tell me more on how hard it was to back-stab us when CCP was shining beautiful images of Legion in front of you. No they haven't betrayed us. Read Nova Knife's blog about the announcement, they had the same reaction we have having right now. http://www.dust514base.com/2014/05/braving-storm-legion-dust-and-cpms-hand.html Yea, and after they were done reacting they sat down and helped CCP turn us all into good lil beta testers. Can you say, COP OUT? "Wah, we were hurt, but after we finished drying our tears we helped them bend you all over." Great work CPM - REALLY LOOKING OUT FOR US THERE!
Isaa Quade Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 331	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:19:00 - [32] - Quote We never voted for them They didn't represent us Fire them NOW
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 653	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:19:00 - [33] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Nova Knife seems to care, at least a little bit, here. He still don't understand lot of us CAN'T and don't want to go on PC. W are Console Players, we want to stay into consoles. PS4 seems great, if system requirements of PS4 are too weak for what they want, then 50 players would be able to play in PC so...... They need a PC architecture for what they want ? PS4 is a PC architecture with a Sony label. CPM needs to push CCP to dev on console and NOT on PC.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 173	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:30:00 - [34] - Quote The Noob Destroyer wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: Classy CPM Member wrote: I have relinquished my position as CPM due to unforeseen changes in the product that I cannot stand behind. Good Luck, Dusters. Nobody was man enough. **** you guys. Ripper 4 CPM nvm scratch that Ripper 4 CEO. Approved. GG, everybody. Best of luck to all of my One-Armed Bandits, my homies in SAM-MIK, and all the Logis in the Funzone.
Kelestia Colvolian Commando clan 43	Posted - 2014.05.03 18:33:00 - [35] - Quote Skylight Atoma wrote: Dr PepperPoP wrote: Sold out to legion - they were suppose to represent us and Dust 514 - they represent Legion and it's future more. We've been abandon by our own reps. This is our council - why do we have it again? So that CCP can get other people to back stab us with them so they don't take all the heat? Working as intended, I guess. Tell me more on how hard it was to back-stab us when CCP was shining beautiful images of Legion in front of you. No they haven't betrayed us. Read Nova Knife's blog about the announcement, they had the same reaction we have having right now. http://www.dust514base.com/2014/05/braving-storm-legion-dust-and-cpms-hand.html Look, you and they can make as many excuses as you like for the CPM (and I agree they were legally in a bind as far as NDAs went) but the bottom line is that the CPM/CSM exist, essentially to protect we the players, from the bad and arbitary decisions of CCP. The CPM failed completely. We as DUST players have been treated in the worst way possible. Not only did CCP decide to cancel our game but they decided to do it months and months, and not tell us so they could conduct an elaborate scam of the DUST playerbase. The CPM were involved in every stage of this deception, and the fact that they were unable to even alert us of the scam just goes to prove how f*** useless the CPM is. The bottom line is that the CPM as a group and as individuals are utter non-factors. They are useless in every way; even the Pope's balls have more utiltity. The lesson to be learned going forward is that we, the players, are alone. We can't trust the CPM or CCP. It's for us to sort our own s* out.


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