DUST Search - The Sad Truth about Legion and PS4

J3f3r20n Gh057 wrote:

Weel, after 1 and a half year playing Dust, i'm not so mad about this. Let's face it ppl, Dust has no life in console. IF CCP was going to make a FPS like EVE, to live many years with content updates and this kind of stuff, a console is the last place to succeed in it. Consoles has a life cycle of 10 years (some are saying thta ps4/X1 will live only 5) and Dust was released when the ps3 was already dying, we knew that eventually a ps4 would be annouced. And consoles have hardware limitation, something that would prevent CCP from making additional content. Imho this is why Dust 514 is not half of what they promised, it's on ps3, a limited and difficult plataform to work on.

Not to mention that online FPS on console is hard to keep alive.

Some months ago i sold my ps3, it was a difficult decision because Dust was the only game i was playing seriously, but i saw that CCP needed to port the game to ps4 or PC if they wanted to keep Dust alive, because sooner or later, ps3 is going to die and ppl will move on to ps4.

Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

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Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. Primus Federation 247	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:05:00 - [1] - Quote So I just heard about Legion and honestly, it's the worst possibly a company could ever handle a situation; but they did it. I'm just here to offer up some sad truths that will follow Legion as it's developed: Even if Legion is ported to PS4, we probably won't get our characters transferred because CCP pissed of Sony This point actually also connects to the future of Dust when it comes to PS3 -> PS4. I quit Dust to play FFXIV and when the PS4 came out, a very interesting point came about during my time in FFXIV. In FFXIV, you can upgrade to the PS4 version from the PS3 version for free. The devs actually revealed that this was not a normal arrangement per Sony's practices. FFXIV basically had to use the "Well, we ARE Square Enix" card to make that happen. CCP has no such pull with Sony, Dust was practically a charity case. Transferring data from one medium to the next is not as easy as one may think. CCP promised Sony the same Dust 514 they promised us. Sony will not feel inclined to help in any character transfers at all. That's why CCP said they're not porting to PS4 until Legion is fully established, they burned their bridge with Sony and will have to try to rough it on their own. They won't be able to get themselves back in unless they have leverage. Legion being successful on the PC IS that leverage. Legion will probably be P2P This isn't really a sad truth, just a truth. One of the major reasons Dust was a console game was because the F2P model it used would have cannibalized their EVE customer base. If the idea is to make an FPS that is just as immersive and expansive as EVE on the PC, it will be a subscription based game. That way, people who prefer EVE-style gameplay can pay for EVE and people who prefer FPS gameplay can pay for Legion. Dust will basically the free trial version of Legion This the most we can expect of Dust right now. It's F2P and on an outdated console. It will probably never see any more updates and will only serve as advertisement for people to get interested in Legion. That is, if Sony even allows themselves to be played that hard. Good luck CCP, you're going to need it.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 204	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:07:00 - [2] - Quote BS company screwed over players with BS game just for the lolz. ---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---
Isaa Quade Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 253	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:07:00 - [3] - Quote I really can't believe how upset I am. I almost never use these forums but Im still here, hours later, screaming into the dark. It just feels lie i've been stabbed in the gut by a friend. I just don't understand how they could do this.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3324	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:08:00 - [4] - Quote CCP has the "Valkyrie EXCLUSIVE for PS4" card to play. Don't tell me that Sony isn't interested in keeping CCP happy. Valkyrie is the top VR game being touted today and Sony gets it for their console. No pull is crap.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1477	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:12:00 - [5] - Quote If what you hypotheses are true, and I very much agree with them, then CCP truly needs the good luck. I'm no market analyst, but a subscription based MMOFPS on the PC seems doomed to failure to me, particularly one from CCP with all the good will and word of mouth they will be getting from Dust veterans like myself. I don't know how much of Sony's good will they have squandered or not though with Valkyrie being highlighted as one of the Morhpeus' launch titles. LOL though god help CCP if they **** that up to they'll never get a booster seat at the big boys table again. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. Primus Federation 250	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:14:00 - [6] - Quote Skihids wrote: CCP has the "Valkyrie EXCLUSIVE for PS4" card to play. Don't tell me that Sony isn't interested in keeping CCP happy. Valkyrie is the top VR game being touted today and Sony gets it for their console. No pull is crap. Sony is currently on top of the world when it comes to the mainstream gaming market. They might be interested in a Valkyrie Exclusive, but I'm sure the conversation on Sony's side went something like "Oh, you're doing this Legion thing now? Well since I'm such a nice guy, I won't make a big deal about it if you let us have that Valkyrie thing! Also, ONLY because you're my favorite child, I'll even keep my door open for Legion onto my PS4 doohickey that everyone loves. It's a win-win!" CCP AT BEST made themselves Sony's *****.
SeeD A Dust Garden 16	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:16:00 - [7] - Quote First world of darkness, now Dust, i dont belive anymore on this company, if i ever see the ccp logo in a game i definitely run away from that ASAP. Merc Log after FF 2014 Dust: Keynote of Death
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Top Men. 370	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:16:00 - [8] - Quote Skihids wrote: CCP has the "Valkyrie EXCLUSIVE for PS4" card to play. Don't tell me that Sony isn't interested in keeping CCP happy. Valkyrie is the top VR game being touted today and Sony gets it for their console. No pull is crap. Does CCP have a flawless game implementation skill I missed!? You should have said they have the top VR concept. If they can't pull through on that promise, Sony has no right brag about have that game as an exclusive. FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
Kelestia Colvolian Commando clan 3	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:21:00 - [9] - Quote I already reckon that Legion is going to be a disappointment to the EVE player-base. One of the promises relating to DUST was how it was going to be fully integrated into the EVE economy - obviously a promise that CCP won't be keeping. But they've already said that Legion is going to be essentially the same. The dropsuits and weapons that Legion players will be using won't be manufactured by EVE players, they're all going to be scavenged off the battlefield. There will be more connection between Legion and EVE players than there is between DUST and Eve players. I suspect Valkyrie will be the same. My prediction is that Legion and Valkyrie are just going to be casual games. CCP will make the same mistakes with them as they've made with DUST.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3188	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:21:00 - [10] - Quote 1 Wrong CCP and sony have a fantastic working relationship. Valkyrie is a testament to that. 2 Wrong It will be free to play 3 Wrong see above Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki

J3f3r20n Gh057 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 139	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:22:00 - [11] - Quote Weel, after 1 and a half year playing Dust, i'm not so mad about this. Let's face it ppl, Dust has no life in console. IF CCP was going to make a FPS like EVE, to live many years with content updates and this kind of stuff, a console is the last place to succeed in it. Consoles has a life cycle of 10 years (some are saying thta ps4/X1 will live only 5) and Dust was released when the ps3 was already dying, we knew that eventually a ps4 would be annouced. And consoles have hardware limitation, something that would prevent CCP from making additional content. Imho this is why Dust 514 is not half of what they promised, it's on ps3, a limited and difficult plataform to work on. Not to mention that online FPS on console is hard to keep alive. Some months ago i sold my ps3, it was a difficult decision because Dust was the only game i was playing seriously, but i saw that CCP needed to port the game to ps4 or PC if they wanted to keep Dust alive, because sooner or later, ps3 is going to die and ppl will move on to ps4.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1480	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:37:00 - [12] - Quote J3f3r20n Gh057 wrote: Weel, after 1 and a half year playing Dust, i'm not so mad about this. Let's face it ppl, Dust has no life in console. IF CCP was going to make a FPS like EVE, to live many years with content updates and this kind of stuff, a console is the last place to succeed in it. Consoles has a life cycle of 10 years (some are saying thta ps4/X1 will live only 5) and Dust was released when the ps3 was already dying, we knew that eventually a ps4 would be annouced. And consoles have hardware limitation, something that would prevent CCP from making additional content. Imho this is why Dust 514 is not half of what they promised, it's on ps3, a limited and difficult plataform to work on. Not to mention that online FPS on console is hard to keep alive. Some months ago i sold my ps3, it was a difficult decision because Dust was the only game i was playing seriously, but i saw that CCP needed to port the game to ps4 or PC if they wanted to keep Dust alive, because sooner or later, ps3 is going to die and ppl will move on to ps4. A port to PC/PS4 would have been great. This is not a port. This is "Hey you know all that awesome MMOFPS stuff you gave us your time and money for? Yeah sorry, you're not getting it, that's going into this other game. But all the time and money you put in, you still get to have that on the great game we gave you!" http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#~oD85Vv2Dx3JYZv If you watched the "DUST 514 keynote" and read that article and you don't feel suckerpunched...well we just have to agree to disagree how CCP has treated the community Rouge wasted the first 5 minutes of his keynote praising. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 507	Posted - 2014.05.02 18:57:00 - [13] - Quote The hole point of dust was that it was a Fps on a counsule. PC lol other games out there that are way better than anything CCP can fix War never changes
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES 513	Posted - 2014.05.03 01:28:00 - [14] - Quote Skihids wrote: CCP has the "Valkyrie EXCLUSIVE for PS4" card to play. Don't tell me that Sony isn't interested in keeping CCP happy. Valkyrie is the top VR game being touted today and Sony gets it for their console. No pull is crap. maybe. but star citizen has played with the idea of coming to the ps4. I would take star citizen would actually be light years better than eve valkyrie. Everything I say or do has the utmost importance.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 678	Posted - 2014.05.03 01:36:00 - [15] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: 1 Wrong CCP and sony have a fantastic working relationship. Valkyrie is a testament to that. 2 Wrong It will be free to play 3 Wrong see above You pulled your head out of CCP's @ss for that comment? GTFO of here Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 749	Posted - 2014.05.03 01:36:00 - [16] - Quote Quite honestly OP is an ignorant. ALL of our character data is stored on CCP's servers. They can migrate it all, however it depends on what their internal affairs is willing to do. TDBS My * points to her interface{} if you know what I mean


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